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Student loan forgiveness

Toots pointing out another wrong still don't make another one right?

This is what is so wrong with both parties it's okay for our party to do something stupid because look what the other party did!!! they are worse than us we are helping!!! Helping who? those who will vote for you?
Well guess what Toots_mgee, guess who ends up paying for all of this bull crap the middle class Yep both parties keep screwing the middle class!! Those who have done nothing wrong but go to work try and feed thier families pay thier bills (actually pay to send thier kids to college) then pay taxes on all this crap that the Pubs and Dems just keep taking and taking and giving it back out to those who support them so they will vote for them again and it is bull#$#%#!!!

Your telling me some poor smuck making $125,000 a year cannot pay off $10,000 worth of student loans? What the holy hail!! Maybe just maybe instead of paying off thier debt we need to pay to send them to Dave Ramsey so they can actually learn how to pay off debt!!! by giving up some luxury's like Starbucks eating out overnight. If you are making $125,000, hell if you are making $50,000 you should be able to easily pay off $10,000 in debt with your eyes closed. I payed off two cars in a year that had loans of over $75,000 and nobody gave me a hand out. I sent two kids to school paid to send them and we managed to do it all the while adopting three more. I don't feel sorry for some spoiled brat making $125,000 a year who cannot pay off $10,000 in college loans, I feel sorry that they are so stupid that they cannot figure out how to pay that off.... that is the issue, we need to educate them on how to pay it off, not pay it off for them.
Your putting words in my mouth is typical a-hole behavior I would expect from MGHS. What do you think is the point of my post? Did I say this loan forgiveness is wonderful? I was simply pointing out that the same exact people who accepted MILLIONS are bitching about thousands going to others. It’s hypocrisy. Nowhere did I say any of this was ok. Good grief.
 
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Did anyone see Roy Blunt with Stephanopoulos this Sunday?
In a nut shell.
"You don’t slow the economy down by forgiving debt and giving people another $24 billion to spend that they would have been spending paying off the student debt that they borrowed and when you pay off the student debt that they borrowed, other people have a chance to have that money in the future to use for their opportunity to go to college,"
Ya I saw Blunt yesterday on Meet the Press... All he did is play political dodgeball with Chuck Todd on questions regarding the classified documents investigation involving Fat Donnie and his surrogates. Todd had him dancing on one foot. Blunt will make a great lobbyist. He is a real good shill !
 
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Ya I saw Blunt yesterday on Meet the Press... All he did is play political dodgeball with Chuck Todd on questions regarding the classified documents investigation involving Fat Donnie and his surrogates. Todd had him dancing on one foot. Blunt will make a great lobbyist. He is a real good shill !
Yep but he does make a good point about what these people will do when they have their student debt forgiven.
 
Ya I saw Blunt yesterday on Meet the Press... All he did is play political dodgeball with Chuck Todd on questions regarding the classified documents investigation involving Fat Donnie and his surrogates. Todd had him dancing on one foot. Blunt will make a great lobbyist. He is a real good shill !
Blunt should be an incredible lobbyist since every freakin member of his family has been a lobbyist for years and he has been voting in favor of their clients since he has been in office. Murica.
 
Yep but he does make a good point about what these people will do when they have their student debt forgiven.
Who are 'these people'?

What point did he make? I tend to not listen to bloviating bloviators.

Present company excluded of course.
 
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IMHO he I saying the people with student dept. When we forgive the debt the people will go out and create more debt.
That's what big businesses do when we bail them out so he may be right.

Of course they don't balk at spending THAT money.
 
My niece graduated from CMSU. She is a young teacher with 40k worth of debt. Tell me why there is a teacher shortage again?
 
My niece graduated from CMSU. She is a young teacher with 40k worth of debt. Tell me why there is a teacher shortage again?
Revno, my daughter graduated from college and is a teacher and has very little debt, When it came to a college we looked at many schools, She could have gone anywhere Mizzou Arkansas, Wichita state, CMSU too.. but instead she first went to a junior college used her A+ then used her good grades and athletics to score more scholarships at the next school she spoke to over 12 colleges and universities to make sure she got the right education that would not cost her much out of pocket. Sure it is not as fancy as CMSU but the education is the same for a lot less. When it comes to higher education I don't feel sorry for those who decide to go to a fancy school and take out loans to go into a profession that will never be able to pay those loans back when there are several more affordable options for them. So I ask why should a person who did everything right have to pay back the loans of those who made a different choice? And that is what will happen to several teachers who make very little they will now also be on the hook not only for thier loans but now the loans of others.
 
Couldn't have said it better, bullit!!

$40K is not a huge debt. It's a new car. So what if she has to drive a used car for the next 10 yrs.

I would have loved to have gone to Mizzou or some big name school, I couldn't afford it and had to settle for KMart U at Cape Girardeau, and I paid off my $50K student debt as a teacher. All my choices.
 
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Revno, my daughter graduated from college and is a teacher and has very little debt, When it came to a college we looked at many schools, She could have gone anywhere Mizzou Arkansas, Wichita state, CMSU too.. but instead she first went to a junior college used her A+ then used her good grades and athletics to score more scholarships at the next school she spoke to over 12 colleges and universities to make sure she got the right education that would not cost her much out of pocket. Sure it is not as fancy as CMSU but the education is the same for a lot less. When it comes to higher education I don't feel sorry for those who decide to go to a fancy school and take out loans to go into a profession that will never be able to pay those loans back when there are several more affordable options for them. So I ask why should a person who did everything right have to pay back the loans of those who made a different choice? And that is what will happen to several teachers who make very little they will now also be on the hook not only for thier loans but now the loans of others.
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We ALL agree with you Bullit.
We have all said the same damn things.
We have lived it.

NOW—is this worse that bailing out the banks in 2008—banks who took absurd risks? That was your tax dollars.

Is it worse than spending a trillion invading Iraq, destroying and rebuilding the wrong country? That was your money.

Is it worse that bailing out rich people with massive PPP loans they didn’t need during the pandemic? Your money again.

Is it worse than Trump’s trillion dollar tax cut for the rich, which was not paid for?

You seem MORE pissed about common people getting a benefit you didn’t get than rich people getting a benefit you didn’t get.

This is exactly what corporate America wants. Divide the common people, keep them at each other’s throats and let the Richie riches skate.
 
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We ALL agree with you Bullit.
We have all said the same damn things.
We have lived it.

NOW—is this worse that bailing out the banks in 2008—banks who took absurd risks? That was your tax dollars.

Is it worse than spending a trillion invading Iraq, destroying and rebuilding the wrong country? That was your money.

Is it worse that bailing out rich people with massive PPP loans they didn’t need during the pandemic? Your money again.

Is it worse than Trump’s trillion dollar tax cut for the rich, which was not paid for?

You seem MORE pissed about common people getting a benefit you didn’t get than rich people getting a benefit you didn’t get.

This is exactly what corporate America wants. Divide the common people, keep them at each other’s throats and let the Richie riches skate.
You didn't hear the media rambling on about the other 'buyouts'.
We live in an age where media has way to much control over 'thought'.
 
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We ALL agree with you Bullit.
We have all said the same damn things.
We have lived it.

NOW—is this worse that bailing out the banks in 2008—banks who took absurd risks? That was your tax dollars.

Is it worse than spending a trillion invading Iraq, destroying and rebuilding the wrong country? That was your money.

Is it worse that bailing out rich people with massive PPP loans they didn’t need during the pandemic? Your money again.

Is it worse than Trump’s trillion dollar tax cut for the rich, which was not paid for?

You seem MORE pissed about common people getting a benefit you didn’t get than rich people getting a benefit you didn’t get.

This is exactly what corporate America wants. Divide the common people, keep them at each other’s throats and let the Richie riches skate.
No I thought when we bailed out the banks that was crap, That would have been the time to forgive loans honestly.

I thought invading Iraq was a mistake, I was afraid we would get into a Korea or Vietnam type situation and in the end that is exactly what happened.

Nope I think that is crap too, PPP loans were meant for small businesses to keep workers on payroll, the issue is anything the government gets involved in is going to have issue and fraud, it happens.

Nope and Trump actually has had many loans forgiven, but he is not the only one, sad truth that is one of the many benefits of being rich in this country you have the means to purchase what you want.

Nope not more pissed, equally pissed. because again be it the rich or poor it all falls on the backs of the middle class a shrinking class whoes burden continues to increase. The facts remain the rich will never pay thier fair share and the poor well will continue to get hand outs and the middle class???Well they will continue to get screwed.....
No corporate America does not want to divide us politicians want to divide us. they want to continue to get elected.... Politicians don't have to vote for Corporate America they choose to vote for Corporate American and we chose to let them. And don't tell me one party is any better than the other.....
 
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QUESTION
Does the student loan debt plan have a feeling of buying votes more than these other buy outs mentioned? Yes I know they are all in a sense.
I don't agree with any of the bailouts.

ESPECIALLY the 6 trillion trumpy dumped into the economy after he lost the election to sleepy joe.

Thanks for that inflation on your way out.
 
Didn't realize Warrensburg was a fancy school? My niece has been paying her loan off for 6 years since she graduated and started teaching. She attended OTC on the a+ program for 2 years. I'm glad some teachers can graduate debt free. The majority can't.
 
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You can play your both sides routine all you want, but right or wrong a GOP president would have never signed off on anything that would benefit middle class debtors like Joe Biden has done.

I don’t like the concept at all but at least MILLIONS of ordinary citizens will reap the benefits and NOT defense contractors, big pharma, hedge fund managers and lobbyists who typically benefit from GOP big moves.
But go ahead and deny that. And if you do contact my agent, Haywood Jablowmee.
 
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So... to draw all of this to a reasonable conclusion: "There has alway been a double standard and there always will be..."
 
You can play your both sides routine all you want, but right or wrong a GOP president would have never signed off on anything that would benefit middle class debtors like Joe Biden has done.

I don’t like the concept at all but at least MILLIONS of ordinary citizens will reap the benefits and NOT defense contractors, big pharma, hedge fund managers and lobbyists who typically benefit from GOP big moves.
But go ahead and deny that. And if you do contact my agent, Haywood Jablowmee.
Best you can do toots? I told you exactly how I feel and sorry it doesn't line up with what you thought.

But you keep on being classy. Such a great role model for students.
 
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Didn't realize Warrensburg was a fancy school? My niece has been paying her loan off for 6 years since she graduated and started teaching. She attended OTC on the a+ program for 2 years. I'm glad some teachers can graduate debt free. The majority can't.
I thought it was a nice school but It was also one of the more costly schools when we looked... I believe it was about $10,000 a semester versus MSSU at around $6,000

So yeah $4,000 a semester does adds up when you are taking out loans, that is about $8,000 more a year. $16,000 for two years.
 
So Bullit: since both sides are even, give me your long list of the GOP doing great favors for the middle class without heaping even bigger rewards on the rich. I can’t wait to read it. Both sides are corrupt. Both sides rep corporate America more than my family. But both sides ARE NOT THE SAME. Both sidesing every issue is lazy.
 
Which side opposed the price limit on insulin?

which side opposed punishing gas price gouging?

which side voted against Medicare negotiating drug prices?

Which side voted against covering vets exposed to burn pits?

Which side made the corporate tax cuts permanent and the rest of our’s temporary?

Which side is still going along with the 2020 election lie?

They are the same????????
 
So Bullit: since both sides are even, give me your long list of the GOP doing great favors for the middle class without heaping even bigger rewards on the rich. I can’t wait to read it. Both sides are corrupt. Both sides rep corporate America more than my family. But both sides ARE NOT THE SAME. Both sidesing every issue is lazy.
Toots who signed Nafta? sending many jobs to Mexico in the 90's the DEMS!! Yes I know it was the Pubs who started it....but when it came to lining their pockets to sign it the DEMs were just as happy to do it in the end. Hell I lost my job back then thanks to the DEMS, I had new baby on the way lost my insurance. and I voted for the DEMS based on they supposedly supported us working people I might as well have voted PUB the result would have been the same!!! Whatever the DEMS threw us all right under the bus and drove it over us... I will never forgive the dems for that!! When you are about to lose your home your kids don't have food on the table thanks to the DEMs you don't easily forget being screwed over by the party especially when you are hungry. So yeah to me they are the same out for themselves.
The factory I worked for once had over 3,000 jobs in the USA and none in Mexico. The ink wasn't even dry from Clintons signature and my company had purchased land in Mexico... Now they have over 2,500 jobs in Mexico and less than 100 in the US and most of them are just the top brass Making millions thank you MR Clinton and the Dems!! So don't tell me how the Dems love families when you lose your d@%M job about lose your house can't feed your kids no insurance. I am sure you have your reason for following the Party marching to their little drum like a good solder.... whatever. But for me I dislike both Parties because when it comes to lining thier pockets I watched the DEMS do that while many of us lost a job and still got to watch that smuck on TV telling me it will be alright!! And no I don't care for the Pubs for many of the same reason. Both parties don't live on main street anymore. They live in a fantasy world were they get to tell us how we should be living and how we should be feeling... please they don't have any clue what it takes to live on main street today. So I quit voting party lines a long time ago and now I vote for the person who I think I can actually believe in. Oh and let's not forget the broke bartender AOC who once elected was trying to get herself a raise.... Oh those DEMS out for the people!!

I honestly wanted to see Bernie win but your precious holy party of the Dems would have never let that happen.... Yep your glorious party that you love kept him out because yeah they are such an upstanding and honest party!! But you keep on supporting them worshipping everything they do because they are perfect!! What party isn't?

Now I never said they didn't do good things .. and I will support many of the things you mentioned but I will not support the "party" of the DEMS nor the PUBS... I am an independent for a reason no party owns me or my vote they have to earn it every election!!! To me those who blindly follow the Dems are no better than those who blindly follow Trump.

Okay rant over.....were is the Tylenol... oh and thanks for bringing up such good memories of the early 90's and the DEMS for me!! Stupid DEMs all that still pisses me off...had to sell my 68 mustang back then because of those stupid DEMs... oh now I am getting pissed again.
 
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Which side opposed the price limit on insulin?

which side opposed punishing gas price gouging?

which side voted against Medicare negotiating drug prices?

Which side voted against covering vets exposed to burn pits?

Which side made the corporate tax cuts permanent and the rest of our’s temporary?

Which side is still going along with the 2020 election lie?

They are the same????????

Toots which party is in charge right now has control of both houses and the white house??

So why have they not fixed the pricing on insulin? punished gas price gouging?

Why have the Dems not voted to make the rest of the poor and middle glass tax breaks permanent and roll back the corporate tax breaks? They have not even introduce anything about it. It is just a talking point.

You sit here and tell me all this positive that they do, or support but yet they have control of everything and just like the PUBs they do have not tried to fix our termporary tax breaks.

Wake up Toots the Dems are all words!! yeah it sounds good but they don't want to make those tax breaks permanent...You know why? because if they do what else would they run on...THEY HAVE TOTAL CONTROL THEY COULD FIX IT IF THEY WANTED!!! That would be something would it not to take to the midterms, but instead they can run on it.
 
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A 50-50 senate is not “control” of anything when you need 60 votes. Go back to school bruh.
 
The 1990-91 recession started under Bush I after 8 yrs of Reagan. Rough years for me too, laid off half the time from manufacturing jobs. Clinton turned the economy around and balanced the budget.
 
The 1990-91 recession started under Bush I after 8 yrs of Reagan. Rough years for me too, laid off half the time from manufacturing jobs. Clinton turned the economy around and balanced the budget.
Clinton did balance the budget but at what cost?

it wasn't until 2000 that my family really got back until then it was a struggle, I worked three jobs my wife worked two I missed my first kids first three years because I was working weekend nights mornings. Everyone's perspective is different Under the Dems, the 90's were ruff for us. I still wonder how different things would have been during that time had Clinton never signed Nafta... My dads place of employment is in Mexico, I know several people whos place of employment all moved to Mexico during that time.
 
Under the Dems the 90s were ruff??? Have you ever heard of Newt Gingrich? The Dems were not in control all of the 90s, grandpa. Contract with America??? newt hung you out to dry and it’s 2022 and you are still crying like a big baby. Newt had Bill over a barrel.

My family values education. The GOP does not and never has. So I vote against them. You do your thing and keep whining.

However, this is not Bill Clinton’s Dem party that went along with the NAFTA BS Newt loved nor the stupid war on drugs that filled our prisons.
 
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Under the Dems the 90s were ruff??? Have you ever heard of Newt Gingrich? The Dems were not in control all of the 90s, grandpa. Contract with America??? newt hung you out to dry and it’s 2022 and you are still crying like a big baby. Newt had Bill over a barrel.

My family values education. The GOP does not and never has. So I vote against them. You do your thing and keep whining.

However, this is not Bill Clinton’s Dem party that went along with the NAFTA BS Newt loved nor the stupid war on drugs that filled our prisons.
You still did not answer my questions?

So why have the Dem not fixed or introduced a fix for pricing on insulin? punished gas price gouging? At least in the house were they have a comfortable majority?

Why have the Dems not voted or taken up legislation to make the rest of the poor and middle glass tax breaks permanent and roll back the corporate tax breaks? Again at least in the house were they own a comfortable majority.

And whining goes both ways.... see to me you are whining and your party is doing nothing. Tell me why your party wanted to keep Bernie out...
 
You still did not answer my questions?

So why have the Dem not fixed or introduced a fix for pricing on insulin? punished gas price gouging? At least in the house were they have a comfortable majority?

Why have the Dems not voted or taken up legislation to make the rest of the poor and middle glass tax breaks permanent and roll back the corporate tax breaks? Again at least in the house were they own a comfortable majority.

And whining goes both ways.... see to me you are whining and your party is doing nothing. Tell me why your party wanted to keep Bernie out...
We didn’t need a tax break. The economy was booming. Even some GOPers said it was a bad idea. It was a bad idea at the wrong time.

Those other questions are wrong. They HAVE passed those things. Why don’t you pay attention?
 

Passed House (05/19/2022)​

Consumer Fuel Price Gouging Prevention Act

This bill prohibits any person from selling, during a proclaimed energy emergency, a consumer fuel at a price that (1) is unconscionably excessive, and (2) indicates that the seller is exploiting the emergency to increase prices unreasonably. The President may issue a proclamation of such an emergency that specifies the consumer fuel and geographic area covered and how long the proclamation applies.
 
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