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[Veerman_12]

What protected right or law do white Americans have in 2020 America that black Americans DON'T have?

If there's systemic racism that permeates our entire culture, surely you people can point out ONE law or right that is ONLY and PURPOSEFULLY extended to white people.

 

[SadButTrue]

What protected right or law do white Americans have in 2020 America that black Americans DON'T have?

If there's systemic racism that permeates our entire culture, surely you people can point out ONE law or right that is ONLY and PURPOSEFULLY extended to white people.

The laws aren't different and you know it, but a lot of times the enforcement is and you also know that. Stop being a troll.

 

[Veerman_12]

The laws aren't different and you know it, but a lot of times the enforcement is and you also know that. Stop being a troll.

And those are issues to address. But it's an issue of individual "bad" actors. Not an indication that the system itself is racist.

There is no such thing as systemic racism.

 

[Expect2Win]

You can not honestly believe that. Watch uncomfortable conversations with a black man Emmanuel Acho. He says it better than any of us can.

 

[Veerman_12]

You can not honestly believe that. Watch uncomfortable conversations with a black man Emmanuel Acho. He says it better than any of us can.

I believe there are racial issues in the country, but they exist at an individual level.

The system itself is as equal as possible.

If you disagree, give an example of a legally protected right white people have that black people don't in 2020 America.

If there is systemic racism it shouldn't be hard to find ONE.

 

[SadButTrue]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/systemic-racism-heres-means-help-133308131.html

 

[Veerman_12]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/systemic-racism-heres-means-help-133308131.html

Read that whole thing and no where did it specifically address any laws or legal rights that are "white only" in nature.

I know what social justice professors say "systemic racism" is. Unless there is a law in place that doesn't apply to everyone, the SYSTEM isn't racist. Period.

Show me one law, one legally held right that ONLY white people have and I'll concede. I'll never post here again if you can show me ONE law that doesn't apply to everyone and thus promotes systemic racism.

 

[kaskaskiakid]

veerman12 syndrome;

White fragility Refers to the negative emotional reaction some whites have when racism on various levels is called to their attention by people of color, sociology and African American studies experts said.

"White fragility is based on people of color having to couch statements and feelings for the comfort of white people," Bailey said. "When you're trying to describe a system where there are inequities built into it, people start crying and talk about their experience and it acts as a barrier to people of color sharing it with white people because they can't handle it."

While it is normal to feel upset when confronted with uncomfortable truths and perspectives, white fragility supports racism because it shifts the power dynamic in an insidious way, Neal said. All of a sudden, the conversation becomes less about what the person of color experienced, but the white person's reaction, and, in so doing, is an attempt to undercut the validity of the person of color's experience.

"It's the whole 'I can't believe you accused me of that. I'm not a racist' defense. it forces black people to be in defense positions because of white people's hurt feelings" Neal said. "What you end up managing is their grief and trauma which become a bigger issue. If you are an African American who raises issues of racism or discrimination, you always have to consider how white people are going to react and then how people react to that reaction."

 

[Veerman_12]

veerman12 syndrome;

White fragility Refers to the negative emotional reaction some whites have when racism on various levels is called to their attention by people of color, sociology and African American studies experts said.

"White fragility is based on people of color having to couch statements and feelings for the comfort of white people," Bailey said. "When you're trying to describe a system where there are inequities built into it, people start crying and talk about their experience and it acts as a barrier to people of color sharing it with white people because they can't handle it."

While it is normal to feel upset when confronted with uncomfortable truths and perspectives, white fragility supports racism because it shifts the power dynamic in an insidious way, Neal said. All of a sudden, the conversation becomes less about what the person of color experienced, but the white person's reaction, and, in so doing, is an attempt to undercut the validity of the person of color's experience.

"It's the whole 'I can't believe you accused me of that. I'm not a racist' defense. it forces black people to be in defense positions because of white people's hurt feelings" Neal said. "What you end up managing is their grief and trauma which become a bigger issue. If you are an African American who raises issues of racism or discrimination, you always have to consider how white people are going to react and then how people react to that reaction."

So you can't find ONE example of a law or right that ONLY white people have?

Which means you have to resort to being insulting.

Either show some proof of systemic racism (a law or right afforded ONLY to white people) or go away.

Believe me, I don't need or value your responses.

 

[kaskaskiakid]

Systemic racism: Refers to the rules, practices and customs once rooted in law.

Notice "PRACTICES AND CUSTOMS ONCE rooted in law". You keep insisting on the Fox news definition as the only true and accurate definition, if it was sent down from the heavens, and that there has to be a law on the books discriminating against blacks for it to equal systemic racism. Well DUH, of course there are no discriminating laws, as that in itself would be illegal. Systemic and institutionalized racism are more supple.

 

[Veerman_12]

Systemic racism: Refers to the rules, practices and customs once rooted in law.

Notice "PRACTICES AND CUSTOMS ONCE rooted in law". You keep insisting on the Fox news definition as the only true and accurate definition, if it was sent down from the heavens, and that there has to be a law on the books discriminating against blacks for it to equal systemic racism. Well DUH, of course there are no discriminating laws, as that in itself would be illegal. Systemic and institutionalized racism are more supple.

I don't watch Fox News and highly doubt they're running a definition of "system racism".

I'm telling you, the American system is based on the rule of law, from the Constitution all the way down. Without law there is no system.

So you can keep trying to move the goalpost to be "right" or just admit we are all equal under the law and move along.

There is racism, bit it occurs at an individual level, there is NOT systemic racism.

I like how you try to pass off a definition of systemic racism as more "supple", when what you really mean is "it's intentionally vague so I can move the goalpost and accuse anyone and anything of racism so I can "win" arguments with people smarter than me."

 

[kaskaskiakid]

All based on your definition. Thank you, Daniel Webster. Good luck convincing black Americans when you can't even convince most white Americans.

 

[Deer85]

All based on your definition. Thank you, Daniel Webster. Good luck convincing black Americans when you can't even convince most white Americans.

Yawn

 

[Expect2Win]

First, there is no need to prove you wrong so you won't post again. You will just make a new un.
Second, two people in the white house were systemically preventing black people from renting apartments and got a slap on the wrist but those people have a more difficult time finding a place to live.

 

[Distancefix]

Yet you hide that when you're online. From your past posts, you seem to be preoccupied with homosexuality. You know what it means when you say smelt it delt it.

 

[Veerman_12]

First, there is no need to prove you wrong so you won't post again. You will just make a new un.
Second, two people in the white house were systemically preventing black people from renting apartments and got a slap on the wrist but those people have a more difficult time finding a place to live.

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Slap on the wrist is still punishment.

 

[Veerman_12]

All based on your definition. Thank you, Daniel Webster. Good luck convincing black Americans when you can't even convince most white Americans.

Hey this should be simple, what laws apply to white people that don't apply to black people or vice versa?

If systemic racism is such a prevalent issue, it should be EASY to find ONE law that applies only to white people at the detriment of black people.

 

[MGHS]

veerman12 syndrome;

White fragility Refers to the negative emotional reaction some whites have when racism on various levels is called to their attention by people of color, sociology and African American studies experts said.

"White fragility is based on people of color having to couch statements and feelings for the comfort of white people," Bailey said. "When you're trying to describe a system where there are inequities built into it, people start crying and talk about their experience and it acts as a barrier to people of color sharing it with white people because they can't handle it."

While it is normal to feel upset when confronted with uncomfortable truths and perspectives, white fragility supports racism because it shifts the power dynamic in an insidious way, Neal said. All of a sudden, the conversation becomes less about what the person of color experienced, but the white person's reaction, and, in so doing, is an attempt to undercut the validity of the person of color's experience.

"It's the whole 'I can't believe you accused me of that. I'm not a racist' defense. it forces black people to be in defense positions because of white people's hurt feelings" Neal said. "What you end up managing is their grief and trauma which become a bigger issue. If you are an African American who raises issues of racism or discrimination, you always have to consider how white people are going to react and then how people react to that reaction."

BS bunk that is just Social Science garbeldy gook.....Look clearly people of All races have Bigoted mindsets, it's normal, hardwired into the DNA. It will never go away. So yes individuals will and ALWAYS will have bias in anything and everything they do. Trying to reduce that is honorable and the goal. But it will never go away unless we can become unemotional Vulcan's.

The system is set up to be fair to all, the issue is human nature. That can't be factored out and it never will be.

 

[MGHS]

First, there is no need to prove you wrong so you won't post again. You will just make a new un.
Second, two people in the white house were systemically preventing black people from renting apartments and got a slap on the wrist but those people have a more difficult time finding a place to live.

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My GF response to this was if 80-90% of black men didn't act in a certain way then Little Old ladies wouldn't clutch their purses and Cops wouldn't treat them like Criminals on sight. Her idea for fixing the problem is that the 10-20% of Black Males who got it together need to get with the Police to fix this issue. She said that siding against law abiding citizens and the white masses who clearly are not racist but telling them they are the problem doesn't help anyone.

 

[SadButTrue]

You know what it means when you say smelt it delt it.

I'll bet you would know. Serious question, how much did your operation cost you.

 

[kaskaskiakid]

What's this?? A little humor on the board. I got a chuckle out of both.

 

[Expect2Win]

My GF response to this was if 80-90% of black men didn't act in a certain way then Little Old ladies wouldn't clutch their purses and Cops wouldn't treat them like Criminals on sight. Her idea for fixing the problem is that the 10-20% of Black Males who got it together need to get with the Police to fix this issue. She said that siding against law abiding citizens and the white masses who clearly are not racist but telling them they are the problem doesn't help anyone.

This the same GF who said Covid was not any worse than flu and predicted deaths similar to the flu.10-20% of black males have their act together? That is absurd and stereotyping unfairly.
I don't think I would take her to Vegas, but you better never break up with her, or you will never have anything to post on here.

 

[MGHS]

This the same GF who said Covid was not any worse than flu and predicted deaths similar to the flu.10-20% of black males have their act together? That is absurd and stereotyping unfairly.
I don't think I would take her to Vegas, but you better never break up with her, or you will never have anything to post on here.

I believe the prediction was 50 thousand for Covid deaths....the prediction for the flu was for those in the Demographic who didn't have preconditions or aged. So while not a 100% spot on not far off either. Clearly closer than the Millions that was touted up and Hospital beds have not been flooded either so hMMMMM. Those below age 60% minimal risk...

Well it's not stereotyping either, 50% of black Males over 18 are arrested, 35% of black youths are arrested. So the Stat's are not absurd. Facts are Facts. Does she believe black Males are profiled and harassed YES clearly that is so. But she also states they don't do themselves any favor's either.

I get it you don't actually want to address the Root cause of the issue, broken culture that has zero respect for authority, single parents who lack economic means, lack of structure in young lives, minimal emphasis on education. You clearly just want to blame white people,the system and Cops. Which will never address or even mitigate the problems. But carry on with your misguided beliefs.

 

[Distancefix]

veerman12 syndrome;

White fragility Refers to the negative emotional reaction some whites have when racism on various levels is called to their attention by people of color, sociology and African American studies experts said.

"White fragility is based on people of color having to couch statements and feelings for the comfort of white people," Bailey said. "When you're trying to describe a system where there are inequities built into it, people start crying and talk about their experience and it acts as a barrier to people of color sharing it with white people because they can't handle it."

While it is normal to feel upset when confronted with uncomfortable truths and perspectives, white fragility supports racism because it shifts the power dynamic in an insidious way, Neal said. All of a sudden, the conversation becomes less about what the person of color experienced, but the white person's reaction, and, in so doing, is an attempt to undercut the validity of the person of color's experience.

"It's the whole 'I can't believe you accused me of that. I'm not a racist' defense. it forces black people to be in defensive positions because of white people's hurt feelings" Neal said. "What you end up managing is their grief and trauma which become a bigger issue. If you are an African American who raises issues of racism or discrimination, you always have to consider how white people are going to react and then how people react to that reaction."

So people that are called racists without evidence, need to consider the feelings of their accuser. Crazy! What a bunch of HS. Power? What power? This statement is more postmodern mumbo jumbo.
At first, you lost me at the word inequities. What system has inequities? Proclaiming inequities is no laughing matter. I err on the side of the fact that all people are resentful bitter and seek to blame for the hand they've been dealt with.
Claiming that things are inequitable based on color, sexual orientation, religion, and sex need proof.
Why is this important? The evidence of 100 million murders in the 20th century. That's why! Class struggles, race wars all started with crap communist regimes. Then after the communist regimes lost all credibility because of the genocide academia changed the names. You can recognize it with the terms they use. Inequities are a particularly bad one. Because nested inside it is bitterness, resentment riots violence, and genocide.
None of this talk is going to set things right. Because the bottom of a society that seeks and buys the garbage you're selling doesn't care about the individuals involved. They seek a change that ignores human nature. How can I claim this? 100 million murders. You need to educate yourself. READ

 

[Expect2Win]

I believe the prediction was 50 thousand for Covid deaths....the prediction for the flu was for those in the Demographic who didn't have preconditions or aged. So while not a 100% spot on not far off either. Clearly closer than the Millions that was touted up and Hospital beds have not been flooded either so hMMMMM. Those below age 60% minimal risk...

Well it's not stereotyping either, 50% of black Males over 18 are arrested, 35% of black youths are arrested. So the Stat's are not absurd. Facts are Facts. Does she believe black Males are profiled and harassed YES clearly that is so. But she also states they don't do themselves any favor's either.

I get it you don't actually want to address the Root cause of the issue, broken culture that has zero respect for authority, single parents who lack economic means, lack of structure in young lives, minimal emphasis on education. You clearly just want to blame white people,the system and Cops. Which will never address or even mitigate the problems. But carry on with your misguided beliefs.

The root cause, a system that prevents people from having the same economic opportunities.
Go ahead and keep blaming it on individuals.
50,000 not far from 200,000.
How bout I give you $50,000 and you give me $200,000 back since they aren't that far apart.

 

[Veerman_12]

The root cause, a system that prevents people from having the same economic opportunities.

Who's fault is that?

Kids in predominantly white Cabool, Arcadia Valley, or Oran, Missouri don't have the same economic opportunities as someone who lives in St. Louis, Chicago, or New York.

Is that a systemic issue?

 

[Expect2Win]

lol picked 2 towns that I coached against. Pretty sure a white kid and black kid apply for a job st the local store in Cabool or Oran, the black kid ain't getting the job. Heck are those schools hiring a black or white teacher?

 

[Veerman_12]

lol picked 2 towns that I coached against. Pretty sure a white kid and black kid apply for a job st the local store in Cabool or Oran, the black kid ain't getting the job. Heck are those schools hiring a black or white teacher?

Oran
88% white
9% Hispanic
3% biracial

Arcadia Valley
96% white
1% black
1% Asian
2% biracial

Cabool
84% white
11% biracial
3% Hispanic
2% black

Do people in those predominantly white communities have access to the same economic opportunities (which you claim is the root cause of inequality) as someone who lives in Chicago? Yes or no?

If no, is it an issue of systemic racism?

 

[MGHS]

The root cause, a system that prevents people from having the same economic opportunities.
Go ahead and keep blaming it on individuals.
50,000 not far from 200,000.
How bout I give you $50,000 and you give me $200,000 back since they aren't that far apart.

There hasn’t been 200,000 C19 deaths in the U.S. ...why lie and inflate the number! Oh to give your post more validity...119,000 still a long ways from 2mil.

 

[SadButTrue]

There hasn’t been 200,000 C19 deaths in the U.S. ...why lie and inflate the number! Oh to give your post more validity...119,000 still a long ways from 2mil.

2mil is a longer way than 200K

 

[Expect2Win]

I claim, thanks for a

There hasn’t been 200,000 C19 deaths in the U.S. ...why lie and inflate the number! Oh to give your post more validity...119,000 still a long ways from 2mil.

You are right. I think I heard a prediction of that as a total after the second wave, but it is not current and i did not proof my post before posting.
I did not intentionally inflate it, I legitimately made a lazy post.
Doesn't change the point you are not more likely to die from lightening. There are not 100,000 people dying from lightening.
But if you are going to catch me in a lazy moment, I said 200,000 not 2 mil, but go ahead and criticize me for getting a number wrong

 

[MGHS]

I never said anything about Lighting....must of been another poster.

 

[Expect2Win]

I never said anything about Lighting....must of been another poster.

No you didn't but you criticized a part of my response to another poster. I admitted that mistake, and corrected it as part of my original thought.
Thanks for admitting you made a mistake as well. Whoops you didn't. That is right don't ever admit you are wrong unless you can qualify make yourself still feel you were kind of right.