State of the Union

[Stop n Go]

Not 100% partisan ... Mitt Romney. Many times I’ve heard it said that there are many R’s who may have voted differently if it was a secret ballot. They’re just afraid of the repercussions from DJT’s tweets and hateful words during a prayer even
Bolton said he would testify “if the Senate subpoenaed” him.

1) It’s really hard to sit there and say that because 1 Pub voted with Dem’s on this makes it partisan. Even Chris Cuomo said this exact thing when a Pub argued that same point about if 1 Dem voted to acquit.

197-0 in House on both articles
52-1 in Senate on one
53-0 in the Senate on the other

2) Please give proof on where Pubs have said they would vote against in a private setting. I’ve literally watched this hole thing from beginning to end, on multiple channels cause I want to hear it from both sides. Not one channel, while I’ve been watching, has mentioned that.

 

[Rock Hard Corn Frog]

There’s no basis of of comparison ... maybe if the Senate would have taken their oath seriously and allowed witnesses and documents to be allowed in their “trial,” we would have eventually had that basis of comparison. Hint- “squeaky-clean” VP Pence is nipple deep in this scheme as well.

Witnesses and documents were actually allowed in the trial. They just came from rh

Not 100% partisan ... Mitt Romney. Many times I’ve heard it said that there are many R’s who may have voted differently if it was a secret ballot. They’re just afraid of the repercussions from DJT’s tweets and hateful words during a prayer event.
Bolton said he would testify “if the Senate subpoenaed” him.

Mitt is a never Trumper. He is GOP but he is exactly part of the establishment that Trump ran against.

Anyway it is over. Dems can try to remove him again after the midterms in 2022 if they get back the majority they are about to lose.

Disclaimer: this is an opinion

 

[SadButTrue]

That's the difference. Conservatives will admit when they're wrong. Liberals never will.

trump is is a liberal for sure then. and there you go saying an entire group is in this category. I know a lot of libs that have admitted they were wrong and I know a lot of pubs that won't admit when they are wrong.

 

[TJ_DUB]

1) It’s really hard to sit there and say that because 1 Pub voted with Dem’s on this makes it partisan. Even Chris Cuomo said this exact thing when a Pub argued that same point about if 1 Dem voted to acquit.

197-0 in House on both articles
52-1 in Senate on one
53-0 in the Senate on the other

2) Please give proof on where Pubs have said they would vote against in a private setting. I’ve literally watched this hole thing from beginning to end, on multiple channels cause I want to hear it from both sides. Not one channel, while I’ve been watching, has mentioned that.

Can’t give proof because it is spoken “off the record” for fear of a tweet storm directed at them and a 3rd grade nickname given to them.
I agree the numbers scream “partisan.” But the numbers also say “not 100%.” Technicality, I guess. Sorry. That’s the old teacher in me.

 

[Stop n Go]

Can’t give proof because it is spoken “off the record” for fear of a tweet storm directed at them and a 3rd grade nickname given to them.
I agree the numbers scream “partisan.” But the numbers also say “not 100%.” Technicality, I guess. Sorry. That’s the old teacher in me.

How on earth would you have or hear “off the record” information? Unless you are literally in the inner circle of the Senate.

You’re beginning to sound like Sondland and “presuming and assuming” these things have been said.

 

[TJ_DUB]

How on earth would you have or hear “off the record” information? Unless you are literally in the inner circle of the Senate.

You’re beginning to sound like Sondland and “presuming and assuming” these things have been said.

Lol. I hear reports on TV and radio, from people who are always around the inner circle, say such things. Now before you go off on me about fake news ... come on. You’ve got to know that not every R in DC agrees with everything DJT says and does. Look at how L. Graham described him in 2016 primary season. In fact, they all called him looney tunes. Now they don’t dare for the reasons I stated earlier. So I guess there’s your proof. Now, I did hear it through my TV when the 2016 candidates said all this. So I guess you can call that hearsay. Lol

 

[3Rfan]

That's the difference. Conservatives will admit when they're wrong. Liberals never will.

Trump is supposedly a conservative and will NEVER admit when he's wrong!

 

[Texascap]

• It's funny to read people that think politics were civil before Trump. 2015
• It's funny to read people that think fake news started when Trump said it when we all knew it was fake before 2015.
• Trump is coroner, not the murderer.
• Obama was horrible
• Bush was Hitler and Started the Iraq war because he was a monster
• we are the only country that ever had slaves in all of history right here in North America, black people never enslaved each other, and we invented racism
• Genghis Kahn did not expand his nation-build in the west because he was ethical
• our colonial ancestors illegally stole this land from 2 Million unrelated Indian tribes because no other people wanted North America while the indians stirred mud with sticks
• Western Civilization is evil
• God is dead

 

[Stop n Go]

Lol. I hear reports on TV and radio, from people who are always around the inner circle, say such things. Now before you go off on me about fake news ... come on. You’ve got to know that not every R in DC agrees with everything DJT says and does. Look at how L. Graham described him in 2016 primary season. In fact, they all called him looney tunes. Now they don’t dare for the reasons I stated earlier. So I guess there’s your proof. Now, I did hear it through my TV when the 2016 candidates said all this. So I guess you can call that hearsay. Lol

I find it hard to believe that some guy on a message board has heard reports (can’t prove it though) that some Pubs would vote against Trump in a private setting. And the biggest media in the world (CNN, New York Post, MSNBC, etc) don’t even have a report or segment about it.

 

[SadButTrue]

• It's funny to read people that think politics were civil before Trump. 2015
• It's funny to read people that think fake news started when Trump said it when we all knew it was fake before 2015.
• Trump is coroner, not the murderer.
• Obama was horrible
• Bush was Hitler and Started the Iraq war because he was a monster
• we are the only country that ever had slaves in all of history right here in North America, black people never enslaved each other, and we invented racism
• Genghis Kahn did not expand his nation-build in the west because he was ethical
• our colonial ancestors illegally stole this land from 2 Million unrelated Indian tribes because no other people wanted North America while the indians stirred mud with sticks
• Western Civilization is evil
• God is dead

Texascap is dead.

 

[Veerman_12]

Trump is supposedly a conservative and will NEVER admit when he's wrong!

Didn't you make a New Year's Resolution?

 

[TJ_DUB]

I find it hard to believe that some guy on a message board has heard reports (can’t prove it though) that some Pubs would vote against Trump in a private setting. And the biggest media in the world (CNN, New York Post, MSNBC, etc) don’t even have a report or segment about it.

You must not be watching when I am. It’s not being shown from a R’s mouth, but being reported from conversations from reliable people. Anonymously, of course.
Again, look at what all the R candidates said about DJT in their campaigns of 2015-16. I’m sure you can find many of their comments on YouTube.

 

[Stop n Go]

You must not be watching when I am. It’s not being shown from a R’s mouth, but being reported from conversations from reliable people. Anonymously, of course.
Again, look at what all the R candidates said about DJT in their campaigns of 2015-16. I’m sure you can find many of their comments on YouTube.

Duck, just stop. You’re going in circles now.

I know what people have said in 2015-2016. I was saying those things too. Results matter though. You want to go pull out what people have said before? Go back and YouTube what Nadler, Schiff and Pelosi have all said about impeachment.

 

[TJ_DUB]

Duck, just stop. You’re going in circles now.

I know what people have said in 2015-2016. I was saying those things too. Results matter though. You want to go pull out what people have said before? Go back and YouTube what Nadler, Schiff and Pelosi have all said about impeachment.

Hal

Duck, just stop. You’re going in circles now.

I know what people have said in 2015-2016. I was saying those things too. Results matter though. You want to go pull out what people have said before? Go back and YouTube what Nadler, Schiff and Pelosi have all said about impeachment.

Halt n Start, I’m not Duck.
Changing your mind on impeachment, in my view, is not the same as calling someone a mental moron and then a short time later, completely reversing direction and calling said person a stable genius. Just my opinion. And yes, I have changed my opinion of people before, but never swinging as far as some of those guys have. So I tend to believe, with that dramatic shift of opinion, either they were a horrible judge of character or they weren’t being truthful then or now.
You’ve got to agree, I would think, that’s a drastic switch.

 

[Stop n Go]

Hal

Halt n Start, I’m not Duck.
Changing your mind on impeachment, in my view, is not the same as calling someone a mental moron and then a short time later, completely reversing direction and calling said person a stable genius. Just my opinion. And yes, I have changed my opinion of people before, but never swinging as far as some of those guys have. So I tend to believe, with that dramatic shift of opinion, either they were a horrible judge of character or they weren’t being truthful then or now.
You’ve got to agree, I would think, that’s a drastic switch.

Not just on impeachment.

 

[TJ_DUB]

Not just on impeachment.

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I understand your point and willing to admit that. I can point to L. Graham and ask the same question in terms of credibility. Agree?

 

[Stop n Go]

I understand your point and willing to admit that. I can point to L. Graham and ask the same question in terms of credibility. Agree?

Totally get it. But Schiff hasn’t said a positive word about Bolton until his book was leaked. Then lightbulbs go off and this guy is God to Schiff now?

At least for Graham, results matter. His state of South Carolina is doing great! He sees what Trump has done and it has changed his prospective on him.
https://www.postandcourier.com/busi...cle_76c7fd5c-4914-11ea-827a-1f948bed62e4.html

Hypothetical, your football team hires a guy that you absolutely hate as a coach, is a terrible coach IYO, he doesn’t know Xs and Os, etc. He goes on to win the super bowl. You probably change your tone a little bit about the guy now.

 

[TJ_DUB]

Totally get it. But Schiff hasn’t said a positive word about Bolton until his book was leaked. Then lightbulbs go off and this guy is God to Schiff now?

At least for Graham, results matter. His state of South Carolina is doing great! He sees what Trump has done and it has changed his prospective on him.
https://www.postandcourier.com/busi...cle_76c7fd5c-4914-11ea-827a-1f948bed62e4.html

Hypothetical, your football team hires a guy that you absolutely hate as a coach, is a terrible coach IYO, he doesn’t know Xs and Os, etc. He goes on to win the super bowl. You probably change your tone a little bit about the guy now.

I probably would.
Why is it ok for me to change my opinion of this hypothetical coach, Graham to change his view on Trump, but not Schiff to change his mind on Bolton’s credibility?
Again, I see your point and it’s a good one. But question why we all can’t be given the benefit of the doubt?

 

[TJ_DUB]

Totally get it. But Schiff hasn’t said a positive word about Bolton until his book was leaked. Then lightbulbs go off and this guy is God to Schiff now?

At least for Graham, results matter. His state of South Carolina is doing great! He sees what Trump has done and it has changed his prospective on him.
https://www.postandcourier.com/busi...cle_76c7fd5c-4914-11ea-827a-1f948bed62e4.html

Hypothetical, your football team hires a guy that you absolutely hate as a coach, is a terrible coach IYO, he doesn’t know Xs and Os, etc. He goes on to win the super bowl. You probably change your tone a little bit about the guy now.

This is the debating I like ... sharing thoughts, asking questions to make the other guy think ... great job, sir. This ought to prove to you I’m not Duck, lol.

 

[Stop n Go]

I probably would.
Why is it ok for me to change my opinion of this hypothetical coach, Graham to change his view on Trump, but not Schiff to change his mind on Bolton’s credibility?
Again, I see your point and it’s a good one. But question why we all can’t be given the benefit of the doubt?

Schiff changed his tune only when a transcript was leaked to him on a Sunday night that may have benefited him. As would you on a super bowl Sunday that your team won.

Graham changed his tune over the course of a 3 year period. Where results came in and slowly helped his state.

I totally get your argument. But I honestly feel there’s a big difference here.

 

[TJ_DUB]

Schiff changed his tune only when a transcript was leaked to him on a Sunday night that may have benefited him. As would you on a super bowl Sunday that your team won.

Graham changed his tune over the course of a 3 year period. Where results came in and slowly helped his state.

I totally get your argument. But I honestly feel there’s a big difference here.

I see where you’re coming from as well. I don’t totally agree with you, but understand your thinking better.

 

[3Rfan]

I find it hard to believe that some guy on a message board has heard reports (can’t prove it though) that some Pubs would vote against Trump in a private setting. And the biggest media in the world (CNN, New York Post, MSNBC, etc) don’t even have a report or segment about it.

Do you really think they would say so in public or use their name in an interview?

 

[Stop n Go]

Do you really think they would say so in public or use their name in an interview?

Dub said he heard it on tv and the radio. Last I checked, that would be in public.

I just find it hard to believe that not ONE major news network covered it or wrote about it.

 

[TJ_DUB]

Dub said he heard it on tv and the radio. Last I checked, that would be in public.

I just find it hard to believe that not ONE major news network covered it or wrote about it.

It was reported (I know ... fake news), that R’s, off the record, behind the scenes, say they don’t always agree with Trump and don’t like some of his tactics. I’ve heard D’s being interviewed who say the same and add that some of the R’s are up for re-election and won’t rock the boat. I NEVER once said I’ve heard a R say it, themselves, out of fear of a tweet storm and being given a 3rd grade nickname.
Please call my attention to where and when I said I heard a R say it directly.

 

[Stop n Go]

It was reported (I know ... fake news), that R’s, off the record, behind the scenes, say they don’t always agree with Trump and don’t like some of his tactics. I’ve heard D’s being interviewed who say the same and add that some of the R’s are up for re-election and won’t rock the boat. I NEVER once said I’ve heard a R say it, themselves, out of fear of a tweet storm and being given a 3rd grade nickname.
Please call my attention to where and when I said I heard a R say it directly.

Never said that you did. My biggest issue is that if this were to be true, every news network would have it as a story. And again, I have yet to see it. And no one here can confirm it happened either.

I don’t think Rs are conceded about backlash from Trump. I mean Collins voted for witnesses and Trump didn’t say a word about her.

 

[TJ_DUB]

Never said that you did. My biggest issue is that if this were to be true, every news network would have it as a story. And again, I have yet to see it. And no one here can confirm it happened either.

I don’t think Rs are conceded about backlash from Trump. I mean Collins voted for witnesses and Trump didn’t say a word about her.

Ok, I made it all up. You got me.
Do you really mean to tell me you’ve never heard a D or a reporter say that there are plenty of R’s who say they wish DJT would quit tweeting or at least cut back, the call wasn’t perfect and in fact was wrong, he shouldn’t be asking foreign country’s leaders to investigate American citizens? I saw clips of R’s speaking on the Senate floor the other day using words like “wrong, not the right thing to do, not a perfect call.” That part was in public. Of course none of them, other than Mitt, voted against party lines.

 

[Stop n Go]

Ok, I made it all up. You got me.
Do you really mean to tell me you’ve never heard a D or a reporter say that there are plenty of R’s who say they wish DJT would quit tweeting or at least cut back, the call wasn’t perfect and in fact was wrong, he shouldn’t be asking foreign country’s leaders to investigate American citizens? I saw clips of R’s speaking on the Senate floor the other day using words like “wrong, not the right thing to do, not a perfect call.” That part was in public. Of course none of them, other than Mitt, voted against party lines.

Of course I’ve heard that. But that’s not what we are discussing.

You said that you saw on tv or heard on the radio that Rs would vote against Trump if it were in a private setting because they are afraid of the backlash. That is what I’m saying is not true. Because if it were, it would be world news. And it’s just not.

 

[3Rfan]

Dub said he heard it on tv and the radio. Last I checked, that would be in public.

I just find it hard to believe that not ONE major news network covered it or wrote about it.

NO he did NOT, he said he saw and heard reports.

 

[Stop n Go]

NO he did NOT, he said he saw and heard reports.

You want to try again?

Lol. I hear reports on TV and radio, from people who are always around the inner circle, say such things. Now before you go off on me about fake news ... come on. You’ve got to know that not every R in DC agrees with everything DJT says and does. Look at how L. Graham described him in 2016 primary season. In fact, they all called him looney tunes. Now they don’t dare for the reasons I stated earlier. So I guess there’s your proof. Now, I did hear it through my TV when the 2016 candidates said all this. So I guess you can call that hearsay. Lol

 

[Draftpik]

You want to try again?

I have heard my sources in the media I read and listen to daily. These are not Fox reporters or Breitbart Narcissists. These are supporters of Trump, Republicans, conservatives, libertarians, former lefties, say many many times " I wish he'd be more like the SOTU address type President.
They also agree, that there is no more civil protocol and it ended before Trump came on the scene. These guys have been in the arena for a long time.
Lindsey Graham said 2 years ago, our President is a handful. I've heard RNC campaign officials say on podcasts, that he is hard headed, stubborn and tweets Trumpy sheet too much.
I know this because I scour information when I am doing my daily activities with a blue tooth in my ear, or a podcast on my computer while I go about my routines in life.
With that said the Democrats and DNC media went ape poop over his very successful 3 years!

 

[Stop n Go]

I have heard my sources in the media I read and listen to daily. These are not Fox reporters or Breitbart Narcissists. These are supporters of Trump, Republicans, conservatives, libertarians, former lefties, say many many times " I wish he'd be more like the SOTU address type President.
They also agree, that there is no more civil protocol and it ended before Trump came on the scene. These guys have been in the arena for a long time.
Lindsey Graham said 2 years ago, our President is a handful. I've heard RNC campaign officials say on podcasts, that he is hard headed, stubborn and tweets Trumpy sheet too much.
I know this because I scour information when I am doing my daily activities with a blue tooth in my ear, or a podcast on my computer while I go about my routines in life.
With that said the Democrats and DNC media went ape poop over his very successful 3 years!

Again, that’s not what we are discussing here. I know some Pubs have been on record saying they don’t like what he tweets. I agree with them.

But we are discussing that apparently it’s been reported (on tv and radio) that some Pubs have said that they would have voted to convict Trump on impeachment if the vote would have taken place in a private setting, as they are in fear of backlash from him.

I simply asked for proof of that.

 

[Veerman_12]

NO he did NOT, he said he saw and heard reports.

I hope your New Year's resolution to lose weight went better than your resolution not to post here anymore.

 

[Texascap]

And the Dems cried how uncivil when one Republican called Obama a lier during his SOTU address

Heres a good one. This guy can write.
Unable to compete through argument and reason, leftists instead seized our culture and fought their un-jolly corner by other, more dishonest, means. They turned our academies into factories of ignorance. They transformed our news media into vehicles of propaganda. They made our entertainment industry into an empire of lies.
With every instrument of communication corrupted and every conservative speaker and idea excoriated as racist and hateful, the elegant conservatism of Buckley and National Review were no longer up to the task at hand. If Rush and Trump are rougher customers, it’s because the fight to preserve our freedoms is now a bare-knuckled brawl.

 

[3Rfan]

I hope your New Year's resolution to lose weight went better than your resolution not to post here anymore.

Hard to şit back and watch some of you right wing nuts say some of the stuff you do and just let it go. BTW I made no resolution about my weight because there is no need too even at my ripe old age.