springfield/joplin area conferences

[red & black brotherhood]

with the talk of conference realignment once again in sw missouri i thought i would align the schools with a system similar to kc and st louis. i took the members of the big 8, ozark and both coc's and put them into 7 team conferences. also added forsyth since they will be joining football next cycle

joplin 2106
kickapoo 1736
waynesville 1698
nixa 1651
ozark 1596
glendale 1416
lebanon 1401

parkview 1399
branson 1368
camdenton 1350
rolla 1267
willard 1257
neosho 1238
republic 1214

carthage 1213
webb 1173
west plains 1168
mac county 1125
hillcrest 1102
cj 962
marshfield 921

bolivar 754
monett 724
reeds 677
logan-rogersville 628
aurora 592
cassville 570
buffalo 559

mt vernon 477
east newton 475
seneca 460
catholic 450
hollister 426
forsyth 409
lamar 404

 

[royals.chiefs]

I'm glad you brought this up because this very weekend this subject came up and I was very disappointed with what I heard. Now I've heard this before but not quite as emphatic as it was stated this weekend. This is basically about Joplin for me. Joplin apparently had applied to get in the COC shortly after CJ applied. Both Joplin and CJ were at the board meetings to get Approved For Acceptance into the COC. CJ as we already know will begin COC play next year. Joplin was turned down to join the conference! My Information From someone who was at those meetings Carthage Andy Youngworth came out very very hard to not let Joplin in. Now The latest Information coming from a leader The school district at one of the COC conference schools Said that "Joplin will never ever get in the COC conference" !!! So the obvious question was" why not " it would be better for the kids and for Joplin. it would really help their travel expenses and Game attendance would go way up!! This school district leader said Webb City and Carthage will not allow it to happen!! I have to ask why they are so dead set against Joplin. I'm one disappointed fan, most fans just won't or can't travel to West Plains very often for a game or Rolla , it's very difficult to go that far on a Friday night. Branson would be the furthest game in the COC conference. The separation of talent from class 4 to class 6 is minuscule for 95% of the teams out there. Most Joplin area fans would pick Carl Junction , Carthage and Webb City to beat Joplin so I'm not sure why the pushback and folks I know for a fact Andy Youngworth is absolutely 100% against it I had heard Webb City Was not fond of the idea either which is crazy. But now after talking to someone that is completely in the know that Webb City and Carthage will not allow it to happen I need to know why!!

 

[MoSooner69]

these enrollment numbers are off.. maybe from a cycle or two.

 

[wcfanfourever]

Why would class 4 schools Webb and CJ want to have to compete in all sports against a class6 school???

besides, people around here just don't care for Joplin

 

[ChaoticFanatic]

The heck with better competition, we don't like them. hahaha. Great. I think it would be nice to see Joplin thrown in the mix with all of the good programs down in their area. Could make for some great rivalry games.

 

[red & black brotherhood]

these enrollment numbers are off.. maybe from a cycle or two.

I wondered. I used wikipedia to get the teams correct and they had enrollment numbers on there so i used them. Its gonna be pretty close aside from maybe a couple teams changing groupings

 

[ChaoticFanatic]

I was thinking those enrollment numbers looked a little funny.

mshsaa.org has the official enrollment numbers in a big list of every school statewide in alphabetical order

 

[royals.chiefs]

Webb City fan that's your answer we just don't like Joplin so we're not going to play them you're already playing big schools . For Christ sake's your Webb City football ! Joplin's not Rockhurst!! So where do you think Nixa is going to be in 2 to 5 years?? Do you think they're going to shrink?? Come on Webb City fans you can do a lot better than that this is a serious questions. I know there are people on this board that are tied into the program pretty good what are you hearing is the reason because I'm sure someone on here has heard it! As for Andy Young's worth at Carthage I know for a fact he is against it.

 

[royals.chiefs]

Webb City fan that's your answer we just don't like Joplin so we're not going to play them you're already playing big schools . For Christ sake's your Webb City football ! Joplin's not Rockhurst!! So where do you think Nixa is going to be in 2 to 5 years?? Do you think they're going to shrink?? Come on Webb City fans you can do a lot better than that this is a serious questions. I know there are people on this board that are tied into the program pretty good what are you hearing is the reason because I'm sure someone on here has heard it! As for Andy Young's worth at Carthage I know for a fact he is against it.

Also how much longer can Webb City hang on in class 4!! Geez fuzzy math!!!

 

[red & black brotherhood]

updated the numbers and realized i had forgotten central. added them to the top to make 8 instead of making each league 6 teams

joplin 2111
kickapoo 1790
nixa 1734
central 1666
waynesville 1622
ozark 1546
lebanon 1428
parkview 1414

branson 1388
neosho 1326
camdenton 1299
republic 1280
willard 1280
rolla 1274
carthage 1238

glendale 1236
webb 1176
mac county 1125
west plains 1111
hillcrest 1023
cj 962
marshfield 909

bolivar 813
logan-rogersville 697
monett 650
reeds 608
aurora 592
cassville 570
hollister 483

buffalo 479
mt vernon 477
east newton 475
seneca 460
catholic 443
forsyth 409
lamar 404

 

[wcfanfourever]

Joplin needs to put on some big boy pants and play schools its own size

 

[tigershs]

royals.chiefs I think you got some bad info. I heard (from a reliable source)that the push to not let joplin in was from the COC small schools. I know that sounds like that doesnt make any sense because they wouldnt play each other, but if you look at it The Coc small schools all want away from bolivar! adding Joplin would insure that Bolivar would always have to stay in the small. Heard some of the small schools didnt want CJ either but couldnt get enough votes to keep them out.

 

[Rock Hard Corn Frog]

Webb City fan that's your answer we just don't like Joplin so we're not going to play them you're already playing big schools . For Christ sake's your Webb City football ! Joplin's not Rockhurst!! So where do you think Nixa is going to be in 2 to 5 years?? Do you think they're going to shrink?? Come on Webb City fans you can do a lot better than that this is a serious questions. I know there are people on this board that are tied into the program pretty good what are you hearing is the reason because I'm sure someone on here has heard it! As for Andy Young's worth at Carthage I know for a fact he is against it.

I think it is presumptuous to think that one reply means that there is monolithic support in WC against Joplin joining the COC. That makes no sense. Besides varsity football I can't think of any sport that Webb City doesn't play Joplin in.

Joplin joining the COC would eliminate any non-conference games so Rock, Har-Ber or anyone else would not happen again but it absolutely makes sense for travel, especially for Joplin.

 

[UNCLERICO22]

Joplin needs to put on some big boy pants and play schools its own size

Ok so they drive to KC, STL, or Columbia every other week? That is where the schools with over 2000 students enrolled are located.

Where would you suggest they get the budget for this?

How would you suggest these schools in STL, KC and Columbia who already have conference affiliations do to schedule Joplin?

What about JV sports, and other varsity sports not scheduled on Friday nights? Is it ok for a JV game on Monday in STL, or a Tuesday night basketball game in KC, and expect kids to be in school the next day?

Saying Joplin needs to play schools their own size is not as easy as it sounds. BTW I am not a fan, parent, nor do I live in the Joplin district. Just an outside observer, with just a little common sense. After the tornado if Joplin would have split into two high schools a lot of these problems would be solved.

 

[Three Cents]

Great research, but keep in mind MSHSAA uses the DESE number supplied from the a mid- Sept date....Those will be released in December.

updated the numbers and realized i had forgotten central. added them to the top to make 8 instead of making each league 6 teams

joplin 2111
kickapoo 1790
nixa 1734
central 1666
waynesville 1622
ozark 1546
lebanon 1428
parkview 1414

branson 1388
neosho 1326
camdenton 1299
republic 1280
willard 1280
rolla 1274
carthage 1238

glendale 1236
webb 1176
mac county 1125
west plains 1111
hillcrest 1023
cj 962
marshfield 909

bolivar 813
logan-rogersville 697
monett 650
reeds 608
aurora 592
cassville 570
hollister 483

buffalo 479
mt vernon 477
east newton 475
seneca 460
catholic 443
forsyth 409
lamar 404

 

[royals.chiefs]

A superintendent and athletic director at a COC school is where I got my information. Andy Youngsworth From Carthage Has told me in casual conversation he didn't want Joplin in that conference. I reminded him they are a class 5 school. Lol geez. I would think Webb City would enjoy beating the tar out of Joplin so I don't understand at all why people like Webb City fan forever are so scared !! what a wussy! Big boy pants is that the best you got? Lol You go from a serious conversation too childish comments really quick. Lmao

 

[Team Tiger]

On the other end I wouldn't like it if I was Lamar. You are basically taking 4 of there best games and down grading them. Seneca and what ever else they could pick up in open weeks would be there only real competition. I think part of Lamar's success is they are battle tested when districts start.

 

[tigershs]

Superintendents and athletic directors are not where the votes come from in the COC! look it up. The voting meeting are attended by all the member schools High School Principal. I got my info from a Joplin Principal that was at the Meeting!

 

[chuckwagon66]

I had an old drinking buddy at that meeting. He told me that all of the would be good Joplin players moved to Webb City years ago so it's as if JOMO is represented in the COC large, even if only symbolically

 

[gametime17]

Have to agree Chuck. Anyone remember a little school called Joplin Parkwood? They were the dominant team in Missouri until Joplin merged them with Memorial. Think it was an accident that Webb City began it's prominence at that time?

 

[chuckwagon66]

I think it was an accident that Joplin was ever good

 

[wcfanfourever]

And you can count on one hand the years they were good

 

[ChaoticFanatic]

You can count on one hand the years they made it to or won the state championship on one hand(barely). Which is more than most teams in the state can say.

Parkwood
1975 4A State Champs (12-0-1)
1980 4A State Champs (14-0)
1983 4A State Champs (14-0)
1984 4A State Runner-Up

Memorial
1976 3A State Champs (12-1)

 

[cardsbeatwriter]

Royals.Chiefs.... Your second hand information is wrong. That is all I am saying.

 

[Wildcat98]

UncleRico nailed it. Joplin's problems in this matter would be nil if only they had opted for 2 schools.

 

[royals.chiefs]

Oh WCfan4ever butt still hurts from his ass whoopin from Parkeood ! Lol
Tigershs ask Andy , he will tell ya . He really didnt want Joplin in . It doesn't really matter who's casting the vote when the athletic director doesnt want it to happen. Kerry Sachetta told you this huh??

 

[royals.chiefs]

Well Joplin Doesnt have a problem they are in a conference but it would be nice if are longest drive was Branson that the long and short of it well plus increased gates !
2 schools would have been great but it didnt happen so ........

 

[royals.chiefs]

You can count on one hand the years they made it to or won the state championship on one hand(barely). Which is more than most teams in the state can say.

Parkwood
1975 4A State Champs (12-0-1)
1980 4A State Champs (14-0)
1983 4A State Champs (14-0)
1984 4A State Runner-Up

Memorial
1976 3A State Champs (12-1)

1976 record 10-0
1979 record 12-1

Both those would've been state titles under today's playoff format with 6 classes. Who knows if they would've been more between the two schools in other sports With today's classifications

 

[greenergrass]

with the talk of conference realignment once again in sw missouri i thought i would align the schools with a system similar to kc and st louis. i took the members of the big 8, ozark and both coc's and put them into 7 team conferences. also added forsyth since they will be joining football next cycle

joplin 2106
kickapoo 1736
waynesville 1698
nixa 1651
ozark 1596
glendale 1416
lebanon 1401

parkview 1399
branson 1368
camdenton 1350
rolla 1267
willard 1257
neosho 1238
republic 1214

carthage 1213
webb 1173
west plains 1168
mac county 1125
hillcrest 1102
cj 962
marshfield 921

bolivar 754
monett 724
reeds 677
logan-rogersville 628
aurora 592
cassville 570
buffalo 559

mt vernon 477
east newton 475
seneca 460
catholic 450
hollister 426
forsyth 409
lamar 404

WOULD CENTRAL BE PUT INTO THIS FORMULA???

 

[MOFTBALLFAN]

I think a super conference is a great idea!

 

[HoldMyTrophy]

The below is my crack at a southwest Missouri “super” conference for football. We’re all in the Ozarks so let’s call it that. Someone can come up with better names for the divisions. I included all the schools I was aware of with at least 400 students.


In year one (2016?), the divisions are set up by enrollment size. You play the other 8 teams in your division leaving one week open for a “rivalry” game, perhaps against another Ozarks team from a different division. Play all of these non-division games in week one to help with scheduling challenges, and to give you sort of a one-week test after the jamboree and before the division games begin. Now, here’s the kicker: in each division, the top two teams advance up to the next division for the next year and the bottom two teams move down one division. Obviously the top two Platinum teams have nowhere to advance, and the bottom two Silver teams don’t drop out of the whole thing. But this should equate to the top 7 southwest Missouri football PROGRAMS competing every year in the Platinum Division. And if you do so well as to climb way out of your enrollment size, big deal, you are obviously good and you are ready for the next challenge.


The moves up and down also would help to add a little variety to all schedules, as everyone should have at least two different teams on their schedule every season and many teams would have 4-6 different opponents.


Ozarks (Super) Conference - 4 Divisions

Platinum Division

1 Joplin 2106
2 Kickapoo 1736
3 Waynesville 1698
4 Central 1666
5 Nixa 1651
6 Ozark 1596
7 Glendale 1416
8 Lebanon 1401
9 Parkview 1399

Diamond Division

1 Branson 1368
2 Camdenton 1350
3 Rolla 1267
4 Willard 1257
5 Neosho 1238
6 Republic 1214
7 Carthage 1213
8 Webb City 1173
9 West Plains 1168

Gold Division

1 McDonald County 1125
2 Hillcrest 1102
3 Carl Junction 962
4 Marshfield 921
5 Bolivar 754
6 Monett 724
7 Reeds Spring 677
8 Rogersville 628
9 Aurora 592

Silver Division

1 Cassville 570
2 Buffalo 559
3 Mt. Vernon 477
4 East Newton 475
5 Seneca 460
6 Catholic 450
7 Hollister 426
8 Forsyth 409
9 Lamar 404

 

[royals.chiefs]

That is perfect !!! Now who do we talk to to make the change it? Lol

 

[red & black brotherhood]

WOULD CENTRAL BE PUT INTO THIS FORMULA???

I forgot them in my first one but added them to my revised one

 

[hitch_and_go]

Joplin had the perfect opportunity to split into two high schools after the tornado and they flat out blew it. It would have likely helped athletics making two class 4 schools but most importantly would have helped teacher to student ratio and graduation rate and overall academics which Joplin sucks at locally

 

[hitch_and_go]

Its no suprise that they dropped the ball. Their city leaders and even school leaders are totally incompetent which is why most are out or under investigation. Joplin received tons of money and totally embezzled it / squandered it.

 

[royals.chiefs]

Its no suprise that they dropped the ball. Their city leaders and even school leaders are totally incompetent which is why most are out or under investigation. Joplin received tons of money and totally embezzled it / squandered it.

 

[royals.chiefs]

You have one or two accurate statements . Maybe ! I'm not even sure they could afford two schools on a on going basis ! Apparently Webb posters know ! Lol wth

 

[cardsbeatwriter]

Tigershs ask Andy , he will tell ya . He really didnt want Joplin in . It doesn't really matter who's casting the vote when the athletic director doesnt want it to happen. Kerry Sachetta told you this huh??

3 of 15 school voted FOR Joplin to be added the COC. WC, Neosho & Carthage voted for it. That is the facts to this story.

 

[hitch_and_go]

Joplin High School serves 2,125 students in grades 9-12.

The student:teacher ratio of 19:1 is higher than the MO average of 13:1.

Minority enrollment is 15% of the student body (majority Hispanic and Black), which is less than the state average of 28%.

Joplin High School operates within theJoplin s School District.

The school district's 68% graduation rate is lower than the MO state average of 86%.

 

[hitch_and_go]

The district's student population of 9,757 students has grown by 30% over five years.

The district's graduation rate of 68% has decreased from 92% over five years.

The district revenue/student of $8,989 is higher than the state average of $8,810. The district revenue/student has grown by 17% over four years.

The district spending/student of $13,223 is higher than the state average of $8,968. The district spending/student has grown by 97% over four years.