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It wasn't because "he doesn't really want to play any more". It was all about NFL Lawyers being sneaky and trying to pull a fast one.

Waiver for Colin Kaepernick wasn’t standard
If you’re measured enough to stop shouting on social media about how Kaepernick “doesn’t want to play,” you might take the time to notice the actual document exchanges that took place over this past weekend and follow the NFL lawyers. One way or the other, they’ll end up making the requests and producing the documents that explain what’s going on.

The league’s legal counselors did exactly that as the week went on, by advancing a workout waiver that reached beyond the injury protections that are typically afforded to the NFL and its teams. By now, the NFL’s waiver has made the rounds all over the internet — getting pilloried by a swath of lawyers whose job isn’t shouting hot takes on morning talk shows. What most of them are seeing is this: A document that pushed past normal injury protections and contained language that, had Kaepernick signed it, could have given the league footing to argue that he’d signed away some of his employment protections. The NFL made some attempts to cover for those efforts, of course. In a release on Saturday expressing disappointment at Kaepernick pulling out of the league’s workout, the NFL acknowledged the waiver being a point of contention. There was a key phrase contained in the release. Here’s what the NFL said:


“On Wednesday, we sent Colin’s representatives a standard liability waiver based on the waiver used by National Invitational Camp at all NFL Combines and by NFL clubs when trying out free agent players. At noon today, Colin’s representatives sent a completely rewritten and insufficient waiver.”

Note the phrase “based on the waiver used by National Invitational Camp at all NFL Combines”. Two words – “based on” – are very interesting.

Here’s why the league had to include them: The NFL used an outside law firm to craft the release for this event. Despite the suggestion in its release, it didn’t use typical language in liability waivers. Instead, it went a step further and created its own.

Why? I’m willing to bet that it had everything to do with inserting clauses that could allow the NFL to evade future litigation tied to employment claims.

Why wouldn’t Kaepernick sign the NFL’s waiver?
In the middle of this supposedly generous (and unprecedented!) offer to give Kaepernick a league-hosted workout, the lawyers slipped clauses into a liability release that would create a foothold to fight against litigation under state and federal employment laws.

I believe this is the answer to why the NFL put this workout together. It created multiple outcomes that could all be weaponized against the league’s Kaepernick problem.

If Kaepernick said no to the workout or pulled out for any reason, the NFL could say “we tried” and there would be more than a few media personalities ready to carry that water. And if by some masterstroke Kaepernick’s lawyers said yes to the waiver, the NFL would have a signed document guarding against a lawsuit stemming from state and federal employment laws.The workout was the Trojan horse.The NFL’s weapon was the waiver planted inside it.And a sweeping victory was one Kaepernick signature away.Given the broad language of the waiver, the NFL could have altered any agreements made with Kaepernick, regardless of how damaging those changes or actions might have been. For example, the league could have refused to release tapes of the workout with no recourse. Or the teams could have been allowed to instruct Kaepernick that he would be unemployable if he knelt for the national anthem. The NFL could have even instructed all teams not to sign Kaepernick following the workout. While all of those sound preposterous and unlikely, the fact that there would have been no repercussions for any of those actions speaks to how sweeping the waiver was.Getting a signature on that agreement blew up, of course. Kaepernick’s lawyers and agent received the first draft of the waiver on Wednesday and had dissected the potential impacts of it by Friday. By that point, the NFL knew it was unlikely Kaepernick was going to sign it. In the final hours before the workout, the league’s lawyers delivered the only message that mattered: The NFL would accept only its version of the waiver, refusing any edits from Kaepernick’s legal camp. That made sense, considering the NFL hired lawyers to perfectly craft the document for broad protections. It simply wasn’t going to allow anything to be changed at that stage. Especially when the alternative is Kaepernick pulling the plug on the workout — which can be spun in favor of the NFL easily.Of all the takeaways from this thing, that’s the one that resonates. The league went to great lengths to give itself a tangible defense against future litigation. And if nothing else, that shows the NFL believes at least one of two things. Either that Kaepernick’s settled collusion case isn’t the last time his lawyers open fire on the league, or that the NFL may be vulnerable to a federal lawsuit. Indeed, the league may believe both.Perhaps the collusion settlement was just the start. Maybe the next step doesn’t end with Colin Kaepernick on an NFL field, instead engaging the league on a whole other landscape.In front of a judge and a jury. Inside a federal court. And nastier than ever.
 
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Wrong. He’s a below avg QB will a toxic culture being brought to any team that signs him. Nobody is easily willing to polarize and politize their team. For someone arguably better then the QB currently on the roster of the team that signs him. He made it about him, when given a chance to play. Location, who’s there, teams that wanted to watch couldn’t because of the last second move. Would someone who wants to play do that? Nope
 
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Duck - Thank you so much for all that great information. I'll stand by, "he either wants to or does not want too". If what you said is all perfect, then why not just make a statement? "I will not participate in this tryout because this NFL tryout is crap and here is why." - Like his kneeling, I believe he could have made statements at each press conference. "Before we talk football I want to make sure everyone knows Jeffery Epstein did not kill himself." - If he was not satisfied with that result, then take the knee.
Duck - I am still wanting to know what you would do for your dream job? Run through a wall and be there at specified time or have a bunch of demands for your potential employer?
 
Wrong. He’s a below avg QB will a toxic culture being brought to any team that signs him. Nobody is easily willing to polarize and politize their team. For someone arguably better then the QB currently on the roster of the team that signs him. He made it about him, when given a chance to play. Location, who’s there, teams that wanted to watch couldn’t because of the last second move. Would someone who wants to play do that? Nope
The NFL and its corporate sponsors are more than willing to politicize their product- so long as it is the politics THEY want. They've been very consistent about that.
 
I think the NFL did this as a CYA for whatever reason. I also think Kaep isn't a good enough QB to offset the political fallout that would be caused if he was signed by a team, not that he isn't good enough to play in the NFL, he is, the qb play isn't strong in 20+ of the current NFL teams, he just isn't worth the bs.
 
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The NFL and its corporate sponsors are more than willing to politicize their product- so long as it is the politics THEY want. They've been very consistent about that.
Maybe that’s because the are the owners ???

Kaepernick can go start and run any business he wants and do whatever he wants politically with it. He doesn’t however have any right at all to make a political statement as an employee of the team that pays him.
 
Maybe that’s because the are the owners ???

Kaepernick can go start and run any business he wants and do whatever he wants politically with it. He doesn’t however have any right at all to make a political statement as an employee of the team that pays him.
Whatever. I'm not arguing that point. Knock yourself out with all that stuff if you want. I'm just saying that to pretend that the league/owners don't want to politicize for their own gain is false. That's all.
 
I guess your "I don't care" means something different than my "I don't care."

The “I don’t care” was specifically about the taking a knee thing. The politics. Don’t care to discuss that any more. It has been beaten to death.

Billy claimed him doing his own workout, filming it and sending it to all 32 NFL teams somehow means he doesn’t really want to play. I posted this info so Billy can open up his mind to other possible influences Mr Kaepernick may have.
 
Duck - Thank you so much for all that great information. I'll stand by, "he either wants to or does not want too". If what you said is all perfect, then why not just make a statement? "I will not participate in this tryout because this NFL tryout is crap and here is why." - Like his kneeling, I believe he could have made statements at each press conference. "Before we talk football I want to make sure everyone knows Jeffery Epstein did not kill himself." - If he was not satisfied with that result, then take the knee.
Duck - I am still wanting to know what you would do for your dream job? Run through a wall and be there at specified time or have a bunch of demands for your potential employer?

1. I don’t have a dream job. Work/career is a part of a life but Not the most important part.

2. We don’t know that this is Kaep’s dream job.

3. We get it. You would have done anything to be an NFL player. So everyone should be just like you.

4. Open your mind up, son.
 
1. I don’t have a dream job. Work/career is a part of a life but Not the most important part.

2. We don’t know that this is Kaep’s dream job.

3. We get it. You would have done anything to be an NFL player. So everyone should be just like you.

4. Open your mind up, son.
Duck, duck, goose (sorry, former Elementary Physical Education teacher here.) - I never thought a dream job was the most important part. (why I gave up a 6 figure income to come back to teaching/coaching). 2. I am not sure anyone ever said that Kap thinks it is his dream job. (but it is a job he had and seems to want back.) 3. NFL - no sir. But I would do a lot to earn $860,000.00 per year. 4. "Son", there is a decent chance I am your elder. Perhaps not, but a decent chance. (2019-55) FIVE. Duck, what would you do to attain a great job that you really wanted, and often talked about, that paid you a few million a year? Would you show up? Would you make a statement if the paperwork was a sham? Would you make it all on your terms?
 
Duck, duck, goose (sorry, former Elementary Physical Education teacher here.) - I never thought a dream job was the most important part. (why I gave up a 6 figure income to come back to teaching/coaching). 2. I am not sure anyone ever said that Kap thinks it is his dream job. (but it is a job he had and seems to want back.) 3. NFL - no sir. But I would do a lot to earn $860,000.00 per year. 4. "Son", there is a decent chance I am your elder. Perhaps not, but a decent chance. (2019-55) FIVE. Duck, what would you do to attain a great job that you really wanted, and often talked about, that paid you a few million a year? Would you show up? Would you make a statement if the paperwork was a sham? Would you make it all on your terms?
I think that after someone had sued me I would demand he signed all kinds of releases before I ever did any business with him again.
 
Duck, duck, goose (sorry, former Elementary Physical Education teacher here.) - I never thought a dream job was the most important part. (why I gave up a 6 figure income to come back to teaching/coaching). 2. I am not sure anyone ever said that Kap thinks it is his dream job. (but it is a job he had and seems to want back.) 3. NFL - no sir. But I would do a lot to earn $860,000.00 per year. 4. "Son", there is a decent chance I am your elder. Perhaps not, but a decent chance. (2019-55) FIVE. Duck, what would you do to attain a great job that you really wanted, and often talked about, that paid you a few million a year? Would you show up? Would you make a statement if the paperwork was a sham? Would you make it all on your terms?

I don’t know what I would do if I was Kaepernick because I haven’t experienced what he has experienced. I am not him.
That’s all.
 
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Maybe that’s because the are the owners ???

Kaepernick can go start and run any business he wants and do whatever he wants politically with it. He doesn’t however have any right at all to make a political statement as an employee of the team that pays him.
Well he can't run a competing football league or join a different one as the NFL is a government protected monopoly
 
Well he can't run a competing football league or join a different one as the NFL is a government protected monopoly
There have been all kinds of other professional football leagues.

Just exactly what makes you think the NFL is a “government protected monopoly “???
 
There have been all kinds of other professional football leagues.

Just exactly what makes you think the NFL is a “government protected monopoly “???
The NFL NBA and MLB are all exempt from Anti-trust laws
 
The NFL NBA and MLB are all exempt from Anti-trust laws
To some extent they have some limited antitrust exemptions

But that doesn’t stop me or anyone else from going out and starting a competing football league in the least. Kaepernick can go hire a bunch of players, start his own league and tell everyone to take a knee to his hearts desire!!
 
To some extent they have some limited antitrust exemptions

But that doesn’t stop me or anyone else from going out and starting a competing football league in the least. Kaepernick can go hire a bunch of players, start his own league and tell everyone to take a knee to his hearts desire!!
Trusts by there nature stifle competition which is why they are illegal the exemptions make it impossible for any league to be on equal footing with these leagues. Trusts also damage workers right and make negotiations for them much more difficult as they no don't have the ability to go to a similar job there only leverage is in not working.
 
Trusts by there nature stifle competition which is why they are illegal the exemptions make it impossible for any league to be on equal footing with these leagues. Trusts also damage workers right and make negotiations for them much more difficult as they no don't have the ability to go to a similar job there only leverage is in not working.
What exemption makes it impossible for a competing league to prosper specifically??

It is difficult because the NFL puts out a great product , but no law hinders anyone from starting their own league
 
If I had played at least 5 years in the nfl, I would get the hell out ASAP. I would have saved 50% of my income. I would have a pension and CTE is not on my agenda. So that is what I would do.
 
I still say if he was really interested in being a professional quarterback, the CFL exists.

Kills two birds with one stone, he can get his opportunity to play (which is what he allegedly wants), AND he can escape the despotic systemic racism in America.

That's the ultimate power move, denounce your citizenship and play in Canada if your "cause" is so important to you.
 

Hes openly anti police. Do you listen to him, or watch what he wears? His beliefs are obvious. His polarization, and political nature isn’t something most owners want to embrace. That’s a lot of media bull, and publicity over a barely above average AT BEST quarterback.

I’m not even going to get into his pretentious handling of his opportunity to have a workout. Yikes.
 
What exemption makes it impossible for a competing league to prosper specifically??

It is difficult because the NFL puts out a great product , but no law hinders anyone from starting their own league
Monopolies make it impossible to compete as there consolidation of resources and ability to strong arm or buy up competition prevent the success of other companies
 
Monopolies make it impossible to compete as there consolidation of resources and ability to strong arm or buy up competition prevent the success of other companies

That sounds more like the definition of "government"......,in the western world.
 
Do you mean like, I won’t give you $400 million dollars to fight off the Russians unless you badmouth Joe Biden??????????
You are like Shifty Schiff making up things the president never said. When the truth doesn’t fit your narative just flat out lie to the American people
 
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Whoa, whoa!

Colin Kaepernick = Football forum
Impeachment, Trump and Shifty Schiff = That other forum
Kaepernick isn’t a football player and never will be again he should go to political crap board also because that about sums him up in 2 words
 
Certainly a point worthy of debate; however, when the thread veers (no pun intended) into posts about Russia, Adam Schiff and Joe Biden, well...yucky poo.

I’m trying to dodge all that stuff and can’t seem to avoid it anywhere.

Of course, I could opt to not read them, but MoSports football forum is my refuge away from all that stuff that’s perpetually in our faces. Maybe not, but Hopefully.
Hurrumph
 
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