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Now that Bosko's wife is on here we probably shouldn't take such obvious shots at her....
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It wasn't because "he doesn't really want to play any more". It was all about NFL Lawyers being sneaky and trying to pull a fast one.

Waiver for Colin Kaepernick wasn’t standard
If you’re measured enough to stop shouting on social media about how Kaepernick “doesn’t want to play,” you might take the time to notice the actual document exchanges that took place over this past weekend and follow the NFL lawyers. One way or the other, they’ll end up making the requests and producing the documents that explain what’s going on.

The league’s legal counselors did exactly that as the week went on, by advancing a workout waiver that reached beyond the injury protections that are typically afforded to the NFL and its teams. By now, the NFL’s waiver has made the rounds all over the internet — getting pilloried by a swath of lawyers whose job isn’t shouting hot takes on morning talk shows. What most of them are seeing is this: A document that pushed past normal injury protections and contained language that, had Kaepernick signed it, could have given the league footing to argue that he’d signed away some of his employment protections. The NFL made some attempts to cover for those efforts, of course. In a release on Saturday expressing disappointment at Kaepernick pulling out of the league’s workout, the NFL acknowledged the waiver being a point of contention. There was a key phrase contained in the release. Here’s what the NFL said:


“On Wednesday, we sent Colin’s representatives a standard liability waiver based on the waiver used by National Invitational Camp at all NFL Combines and by NFL clubs when trying out free agent players. At noon today, Colin’s representatives sent a completely rewritten and insufficient waiver.”

Note the phrase “based on the waiver used by National Invitational Camp at all NFL Combines”. Two words – “based on” – are very interesting.

Here’s why the league had to include them: The NFL used an outside law firm to craft the release for this event. Despite the suggestion in its release, it didn’t use typical language in liability waivers. Instead, it went a step further and created its own.

Why? I’m willing to bet that it had everything to do with inserting clauses that could allow the NFL to evade future litigation tied to employment claims.

Why wouldn’t Kaepernick sign the NFL’s waiver?
In the middle of this supposedly generous (and unprecedented!) offer to give Kaepernick a league-hosted workout, the lawyers slipped clauses into a liability release that would create a foothold to fight against litigation under state and federal employment laws.

I believe this is the answer to why the NFL put this workout together. It created multiple outcomes that could all be weaponized against the league’s Kaepernick problem.

If Kaepernick said no to the workout or pulled out for any reason, the NFL could say “we tried” and there would be more than a few media personalities ready to carry that water. And if by some masterstroke Kaepernick’s lawyers said yes to the waiver, the NFL would have a signed document guarding against a lawsuit stemming from state and federal employment laws.The workout was the Trojan horse.The NFL’s weapon was the waiver planted inside it.And a sweeping victory was one Kaepernick signature away.Given the broad language of the waiver, the NFL could have altered any agreements made with Kaepernick, regardless of how damaging those changes or actions might have been. For example, the league could have refused to release tapes of the workout with no recourse. Or the teams could have been allowed to instruct Kaepernick that he would be unemployable if he knelt for the national anthem. The NFL could have even instructed all teams not to sign Kaepernick following the workout. While all of those sound preposterous and unlikely, the fact that there would have been no repercussions for any of those actions speaks to how sweeping the waiver was.Getting a signature on that agreement blew up, of course. Kaepernick’s lawyers and agent received the first draft of the waiver on Wednesday and had dissected the potential impacts of it by Friday. By that point, the NFL knew it was unlikely Kaepernick was going to sign it. In the final hours before the workout, the league’s lawyers delivered the only message that mattered: The NFL would accept only its version of the waiver, refusing any edits from Kaepernick’s legal camp. That made sense, considering the NFL hired lawyers to perfectly craft the document for broad protections. It simply wasn’t going to allow anything to be changed at that stage. Especially when the alternative is Kaepernick pulling the plug on the workout — which can be spun in favor of the NFL easily.Of all the takeaways from this thing, that’s the one that resonates. The league went to great lengths to give itself a tangible defense against future litigation. And if nothing else, that shows the NFL believes at least one of two things. Either that Kaepernick’s settled collusion case isn’t the last time his lawyers open fire on the league, or that the NFL may be vulnerable to a federal lawsuit. Indeed, the league may believe both.Perhaps the collusion settlement was just the start. Maybe the next step doesn’t end with Colin Kaepernick on an NFL field, instead engaging the league on a whole other landscape.In front of a judge and a jury. Inside a federal court. And nastier than ever.
It is more profitable for him to continue in the martyr business both for his cause and for his checkbook. He doesn't want to play football. It can be explained a thousand times, but if you share his political ideology, you will not hear it once.
 
It is more profitable for him to continue in the martyr business both for his cause and for his checkbook. He doesn't want to play football. It can be explained a thousand times, but if you share his political ideology, you will not hear it once.
I don't share his political ideology though I do believe he should have the right to take a knee if he wants to. But I strongly dislike the NFL and how Inconsistent it is .... punch a woman = 3-10 games, take a knee= whole career
 
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I don't share his political ideology though I do believe he should have the right to take a knee if he wants to. But I strongly dislike the NFL and how Inconsistent it is .... punch a woman = 3-10 games, take a knee= whole career
He quit his job nobody fired him
 
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He quit his job nobody fired him
he entered free agency after being relieved of his duties. NFL teams gave Greg hardy how many chances after punching his girlfriend my point isn't about kaepernick its about how the NFL only applies ethics when convenient
 
he entered free agency after being relieved of his duties. NFL teams gave Greg hardy how many chances after punching his girlfriend my point isn't about kaepernick its about how the NFL only applies ethics when convenient

Well, thank God you don't have to watch it and thank God we don't have to care about it.
 
I still say if he was really interested in being a professional quarterback, the CFL exists.

Kills two birds with one stone, he can get his opportunity to play (which is what he allegedly wants), AND he can escape the despotic

I am pretty sure
It is more profitable for him to continue in the martyr business both for his cause and for his checkbook. He doesn't want to play football. It can be explained a thousand times, but if you share his political ideology, you will not hear it once.

He wants to play football or he wouldn’t have sent his workout video to 32 teams. But he doesn’t desperately want to play so bad that he will cower to anyone like some on this board want him to.
 
If it makes you feel any better, I’d want the women punchers to lose their career and serve hard time...but only after being led onto the 50 yard line pregame and beaten up by a dozen feminists wielding flaming porcupines on a rope.

Yeah
not an expert but that sounds like animal abuse.... what do the porcupines get to do to the feminists
 
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he entered free agency after being relieved of his duties. NFL teams gave Greg hardy how many chances after punching his girlfriend my point isn't about kaepernick its about how the NFL only applies ethics when convenient
You mean he was benched because of poor play???
 
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He wants to play football or he wouldn’t have sent his workout video to 32 teams. But he doesn’t desperately want to play so bad that he will cower to anyone like some on this board want him to.
So he wants to but not really?
 
He wants to play football or he wouldn’t have sent his workout video to 32 teams. But he doesn’t desperately want to play so bad that he will cower to anyone like some on this board want him to.

If by "cower" you mean signing the very same waiver that anyone who is working out for an NFL team signs, then No, he has another agenda and we all know it. "I'd like to apply for a job." "ok, sign this document of non-disclosure, etc. etc." "No, I'll not sign it." "OK, thanks and good day." - real world scenario
 
I don't share his political ideology though I do believe he should have the right to take a knee if he wants to. But I strongly dislike the NFL and how Inconsistent it is .... punch a woman = 3-10 games, take a knee= whole career
You do believe he has the right to take a knee if he wants, which is an ideology you share with him. I happen to believe a business has the right to object to employees expressing an ideology on company time. And I'm certain if a player struck a woman on company time we'd never see him again.
 
He wants to play football or he wouldn’t have sent his workout video to 32 teams. But he doesn’t desperately want to play so bad that he will cower to anyone like some on this board want him to.
He wants it to appear that he wants to play football. He will continue to give the appearance. It's a smart strategy that will rally support for his cause and his checkbook.
 
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You do believe he has the right to take a knee if he wants, which is an ideology you share with him. I happen to believe a business has the right to object to employees expressing an ideology on company time. And I'm certain if a player struck a woman on company time we'd never see him again.
He can take a knee anytime he wants as long as he is not on the clock

Kaepernick’s main problem is that after he had three major injuries he just really wasn’t very good any more and was benched
 
If by "cower" you mean signing the very same waiver that anyone who is working out for an NFL team signs, then No, he has another agenda and we all know it. "I'd like to apply for a job." "ok, sign this document of non-disclosure, etc. etc." "No, I'll not sign it." "OK, thanks and good day." - real world scenario

dude have you read all the posts on this topic.
It was a waiver “based on” the waiver used at the combine with special little clauses added by nfl lawyers. Come on now.
 
dude have you read all the posts on this topic.
It was a waiver “based on” the waiver used at the combine with special little clauses added by nfl lawyers. Come on now.
Not every NFL hopeful has shaken the NFL down for $10,000,000 prior to their workout. Pretty self-explanatory why they'd add "special little clauses."
 
Not every NFL hopeful has shaken the NFL down for $10,000,000 prior to their workout. Pretty self-explanatory why they'd add "special little clauses."

well the commish is paid 44 million a year for being pretty mediocre at his job so I am guessing thats a drop in the bucket for franchises worth 2.5 billion.
 
You do believe he has the right to take a knee if he wants, which is an ideology you share with him. I happen to believe a business has the right to object to employees expressing an ideology on company time. And I'm certain if a player struck a woman on company time we'd never see him again.
No I have no problem with him taking a knee and there being consequences for it but I think the consequences are not equitable to other offenses. And personally I'd much rather hire someone who doesn't stand for the anthem or the pledge on company time than for someone who abuses women outside of it but to each their own I guess.
 
He wants it to appear that he wants to play football. He will continue to give the appearance. It's a smart strategy that will rally support for his cause and his checkbook.
Just as the league wants it to appear that they are giving him an equal opportunity to play football. They want to give that appearance. It's a smart strategy that will rally support for their cause and keep their asses out of a courtroom. Which is good for their checkbook. See how that works? So can we wash the bitterness away and talk about football?
 
Just as the league wants it to appear that they are giving him an equal opportunity to play football. They want to give that appearance. It's a smart strategy that will rally support for their cause and keep their asses out of a courtroom. Which is good for their checkbook. See how that works? So can we wash the bitterness away and talk about football?
I don't believe you will find any bitterness in my words; just merely making observations about actions, motivations and intent of the player. You will find no disagreement here about the NFL's intent either. Final conclusion: the player wants people to believe he is being locked out of an equal opportunity by publicly feigning his desire to play. The NFL wants people to believe they'd be happy for him to play by going above and beyond to stage a workout.
 
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I don't believe you will find any bitterness in my words; just merely making observations about actions, motivations and intent of the player. You will find no disagreement here about the NFL's intent either. Final conclusion: the player wants people to believe he is being locked out of an equal opportunity by publicly feigning his desire to play. The NFL wants people to believe they'd be happy for him to play by going above and beyond to stage a workout.
What is lost in all of this, no matter what Duck says is that the guy was injured three times and when he made it back on the field he really sucked. It’s been a long time but wasn’t he benched after the longest losing streak in 49’ers history??? Most teams want to bring a guy in to help them win, not put together the longest losing streak in their franchises history

That is undoubtedly the biggest reason nobody wants him. I have a feeling if Patrick Mahomes took a knee the rest of the year and was fired that there would be about 31 teams lined up to talk to him as soon as the season is over
 
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No I have no problem with him taking a knee and there being consequences for it but I think the consequences are not equitable to other offenses. And personally I'd much rather hire someone who doesn't stand for the anthem or the pledge on company time than for someone who abuses women outside of it but to each their own I guess.
That makes sense. As long as you are ready to accept your employer evaluating your personal conduct on your personal time with the same scrutiny he scores it on company time. On personal time there is always a story to tell and the story always has various angles. On NFL company time 200,000,000 million people are witnessing the story and there is only one angle. I'm not advocating that point of view; I'm observing from the NFL perspective. My personal opinion on morality and conduct would provoke removal of half the league.
 
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That makes sense. As long as you are ready to accept your employer evaluating your personal conduct on your personal time with the same scrutiny he scores it on company time. On personal time there is always a story to tell and the story always has various angles. On NFL company time 200,000,000 million people are witnessing the story and there is only one angle. I'm not advocating that point of view; I'm observing from the NFL perspective. My personal opinion on morality and conduct would provoke removal of half the league.

Not a single one of us could disrespect their employers wishes, or whom they serve to the level of Colin K. He doesn’t get a victim card for doing this imo. There’s a time and place for everything. He has some of the biggest name ID imaginable. He has social media stature and people who would have LOVED to help him start something that would actually make a real possible impact outside of the game and his job.

He also sticks his nose up at wishes to not wear anti American clothing and anti police socks. His political stances don’t align with almost anyone who watches football either. A owner would be nuts to take on his toxic culture and person. He’s barely better then backups and a few starters. It’s not worth it to bring him back in. He did this to himself. Horrible choices, and silly lawsuits will do that.

Unpopular opinion? He wasn’t very good when all of this started. The ground he thinks he has to stand on is actually quicksand. Sorry Colin. I’m sure Canada would love to bring in your washed up talent to the Canadian Leauge.
 
Not a single one of us could disrespect their employers wishes, or whom they serve to the level of Colin K. He doesn’t get a victim card for doing this imo. There’s a time and place for everything. He has some of the biggest name ID imaginable. He has social media stature and people who would have LOVED to help him start something that would actually make a real possible impact outside of the game and his job.

He also sticks his nose up at wishes to not wear anti American clothing and anti police socks. His political stances don’t align with almost anyone who watches football either. A owner would be nuts to take on his toxic culture and person. He’s barely better then backups and a few starters. It’s not worth it to bring him back in. He did this to himself. Horrible choices, and silly lawsuits will do that.

Unpopular opinion? He wasn’t very good when all of this started. The ground he thinks he has to stand on is actually quicksand. Sorry Colin. I’m sure Canada would love to bring in your washed up talent to the Canadian Leauge.
Let it go man. It's gonna be ok.
 
He isn’t the only one to take a knee. Several others did it and are still employed. Your emotional response to this one man is very drama queenish. He didn’t burn a flag or spit on the constitution. Calm down.
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He isn’t the only one to take a knee. Several others did it and are still employed. Your emotional response to this one man is very drama queenish. He didn’t burn a flag or spit on the constitution. Calm down.

Not even close to the scope of my response. If you don’t have a rebuttal it’s best to not quote someone.
 
He isn’t the only one to take a knee. Several others did it and are still employed. Your emotional response to this one man is very drama queenish. He didn’t burn a flag or spit on the constitution. Calm down.
Him taking a knee has nothing to do with him being a terrible QB. The last 2 years he played at SF they were 7-25!!!!!!,,,is that the guy you want leading your team???
 
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Him taking a knee has nothing to do with him being a terrible QB. What was the 49ers record the last dozen games he played in before they benched him and he quit????

Yup. There’s a lot of layers to this story. Defenders have nothing tbh.
 
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