Rubio asks MLB commissioner if he'll give up Augusta golf club membership

[bullitpdq68]

You know Rubio is not really wrong here, if you are going to be outraged where are you going to draw the line?

Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) on Monday sent a letter to MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred asking if Manfred would give up his membership at the exclusive Augusta National Golf Club in the wake of the league's decision to pull the 2021 All-Star Game from Atlanta to protest Georgia’s controversial new voting law.

Rubio took a personal shot at the head of MLB after Manfred said the decision to pull the All-Star Game and the MLB Draft from Georgia was “the best way to demonstrate our values as a sport.”

“I write to ask you whether you intend to maintain your membership at Augusta National Golf Club. As you are well aware, the exclusive members-only club is located in the State of Georgia,” Rubio wrote to Manfred.

Augusta National, the annual host of the Masters Tournament, one of the most prestigious tournaments in golf, didn’t invite a Black player to compete at the Masters until 1975, and the club itself didn’t admit its first Black member until 1990.

Rubio implied that Manfred was engaging in a double standard by supporting the decision to remove the All-Star Game from Georgia because of criticism that the state’s new voting law discriminates against Black voters in metropolitan Atlanta.

Rubio said the decision to move the All-Star Game “will have a bigger impact on countless small and minority owned businesses in and around Atlanta, than the new election law ever will."

And he said it “reeks of hypocrisy.”

 

[Expect2Win]

It is also not necessarily equivalent either. If he chooses to quit because of his personal feelings toward it, is ok because it is his personal membership. He is required to do what is best for baseball as a league and if the league thinks this is best then he has to make that decision separate from his own feelings about doing business in Georgia.

 

[SadButTrue]

You know Rubio is not really wrong here, if you are going to be outraged where are you going to draw the line?

Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) on Monday sent a letter to MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred asking if Manfred would give up his membership at the exclusive Augusta National Golf Club in the wake of the league's decision to pull the 2021 All-Star Game from Atlanta to protest Georgia’s controversial new voting law.

Rubio took a personal shot at the head of MLB after Manfred said the decision to pull the All-Star Game and the MLB Draft from Georgia was “the best way to demonstrate our values as a sport.”

“I write to ask you whether you intend to maintain your membership at Augusta National Golf Club. As you are well aware, the exclusive members-only club is located in the State of Georgia,” Rubio wrote to Manfred.

Augusta National, the annual host of the Masters Tournament, one of the most prestigious tournaments in golf, didn’t invite a Black player to compete at the Masters until 1975, and the club itself didn’t admit its first Black member until 1990.

Rubio implied that Manfred was engaging in a double standard by supporting the decision to remove the All-Star Game from Georgia because of criticism that the state’s new voting law discriminates against Black voters in metropolitan Atlanta.

Rubio said the decision to move the All-Star Game “will have a bigger impact on countless small and minority owned businesses in and around Atlanta, than the new election law ever will."

And he said it “reeks of hypocrisy.”

Talk about hypocrisy. bullit why didn't you cry about this? Bahahahahaha

A breakdown of what's in Trump's new office - including a nearly hidden bottle that suggests he's drinking Coke despite calling for boycott

The photo hid a slew of other Easter eggs in Trump's new office, including what appeared to be a miniature statue of Trump himself.

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[bullitpdq68]

Talk about hypocrisy. bullit why didn't you cry about this? Bahahahahaha

A breakdown of what's in Trump's new office - including a nearly hidden bottle that suggests he's drinking Coke despite calling for boycott

The photo hid a slew of other Easter eggs in Trump's new office, including what appeared to be a miniature statue of Trump himself.

www.yahoo.com

Listen you probable still believe Trump is going to get Mexico to pay for the wall....I hate to tell you your golden boy has always lied it is nothing new, If I got outraged everytime Trump told a lie I wouldn't be able to keep up.

But like most Trump supporters you missed the point.

 

[bullitpdq68]

It is also not necessarily equivalent either. If he chooses to quit because of his personal feelings toward it, is ok because it is his personal membership. He is required to do what is best for baseball as a league and if the league thinks this is best then he has to make that decision separate from his own feelings about doing business in Georgia.

I think if you are outraged over a states voting bill you cannot pick and choose what you will support or Boycott....Why continue to line the pockets of some but then not of others, the bill affects all within that state? While I don't support a lot of things about Rubio, I think he makes a valid point...One that many of us should be asking ourselves when supporting certain things be you are Dem or Pub.

 

[Expect2Win]

My point is that (hypothetically I may not want to order Nikes for myself because of the Kaepernick thing, but if my school has a contract with them I will have to order them for my team.

 

[SadButTrue]

Listen you probable still believe Trump is going to get Mexico to pay for the wall....I hate to tell you your golden boy has always lied it is nothing new, If I got outraged everytime Trump told a lie I wouldn't be able to keep up.

But like most Trump supporters you missed the point.

You must be drinking that Monexico tequila. Calling me a t rump supporter is fightin' words. Where have you been the past 5 years? He is the biggest SOB that ever walked the face of this earth.

 

[bullitpdq68]

You must be drinking that Monexico tequila. Calling me a t rump supporter is fightin' words. Where have you been the past 5 years? He is the biggest SOB that ever walked the face of this earth.

Hey I just wanted to show you the fallacy of your reply to me....

I really don't support any particular candidate or indorse a party, you should know that, However I do like certain policies which I have seen come from several candidates on both sides of the isle. I will always point out the good, bad or hypocrisy ...I think we need to hold our politicians accountable.

 

[bullitpdq68]

I'm glad he took a stance and moved the ASG to Colorado which has the same voter ID laws and a shorter time to apply for an absentee ballot. I'm glad he is a man of principal and one who doesn't do things just for optics. I can assure you that he presents his photo ID when he goes through the gates of Augusta National which is a privilege that he has only because of his position as commissioner of baseball. Oh the irony...

Sort of like all of the Trump supporters calling out Biden over his tax records (shelters) yet never once complaining about not knowing how Trump was sheltering his... oh the irony!!

 

[Arcola]

51% Black Atlanta to 76% White Denver with stricter voting regulations than Georgia.​

 

[r14veer]

51% Black Atlanta to 76% White Denver with stricter voting regulations than Georgia.​

This is one of those things that sound great in a social media post and will get you all sorts of kudos from your like-minded friends and family (or even a humble message board) because part of it is true (the first part) but then the rest of it is either misleading or just verifiably false.

 

[Arcola]

Yep, I was incorrect. My search took me to two conservative sites. Today it took me to an article from the Denver Post that clarifies.

 

[Arcola]

The one thing I do not understand is why the fuss over having an ID to vote? Am I missing something?

 

[r14veer]

The one thing I do not understand is why the fuss over having an ID to vote? Am I missing something?

Here is the fuss from one point of view: The myth of voter fraud.

This is a pretty balanced view of the issue: Ballotpedia

 

[kaskaskiakid]

Don't underestimate the power of MLB Players Union in the decision to move the All Star Game.

 

[Expect2Win]

Unions, don't use that nasty word!

 

[bullitpdq68]

Here is the fuss from one point of view: The myth of voter fraud.

This is a pretty balanced view of the issue: Ballotpedia

The fact that fraud is not prevalent now should and is not a good argument ever. Being in information security our job is to always try to stay ahead of fraud and look for ways that somebody will try to fraud others. Lax election rule may not be causing fraud now....but what about the future and as technology changes...

Not saying voting fraud will every be one of them.... but what would happen if a Country decided to step up it attack on us thru possible a lax voter law?

I really believe election days need to be a national holiday....The right to vote should not be taken lightly just because you got a free ballot in the mail. I mean if we can send 18 year olds off to war to fight and die for that right... the least any of the rest of us can do is register and validate to vote.... I don't think that is too much to ask considering some lose thier life defending our right to vote? But maybe I am wrong.

 

[r14veer]

The fact that fraud is not prevalent now should and is not a good argument ever. Being in information security our job is to always try to stay ahead of fraud and look for ways that somebody will try to fraud others. Lax election rule may not be causing fraud now....but what about the future and as technology changes...

Not saying voting fraud will every be one of them.... but what would happen if a Country decided to step up it attack on us thru possible a lax voter law?

I really believe election days need to be a national holiday....The right to vote should not be taken lightly just because you got a free ballot in the mail. I mean if we can send 18 year olds off to war to fight and die for that right... the least any of the rest of us can do is register and validate to vote.... I don't think that is too much to ask considering some lose thier life defending our right to vote? But maybe I am wrong.

I don't necessarily disagree that you should try to get ahead of voter fraud, but I think there is a perception that nothing is being done in a lot of places. A cost/benefit analysis might be in order, given that voter fraud is nearly non-existent, and on the rare occasion that it happens, it's almost invariably local elections.

I also think that since there are 50 different sets of state voting laws (not to mention all the different counties), it's reasonable to assume that we have no idea what we're talking about with respect to other states' laws, so to say that possible fraud isn't already being addressed (given the rarity of it occurring) is likely just ignorance of the actual laws.

It's pretty evident that you cannot get the full story on this issue through any media or political release; you have to access the publicly available policy documents, which, admittedly, is a hassle. But the fact that it is perceived as a hassle is exactly why we have media companies (CNN, FOX, etc., ad nauseam) that tell half-truths that are taken as gospel by their viewers who will not do the necessary research.

There is a political party that supports making election day a national holiday so more people can vote and one that does not.

 

[bullitpdq68]

I don't necessarily disagree that you should try to get ahead of voter fraud, but I think there is a perception that nothing is being done in a lot of places. A cost/benefit analysis might be in order, given that voter fraud is nearly non-existent, and on the rare occasion that it happens, it's almost invariably local elections.

I also think that since there are 50 different sets of state voting laws (not to mention all the different counties), it's reasonable to assume that we have no idea what we're talking about with respect to other states' laws, so to say that possible fraud isn't already being addressed (given the rarity of it occurring) is likely just ignorance of the actual laws.

It's pretty evident that you cannot get the full story on this issue through any media or political release; you have to access the publicly available policy documents, which, admittedly, is a hassle. But the fact that it is perceived as a hassle is exactly why we have media companies (CNN, FOX, etc., ad nauseam) that tell half-truths that are taken as gospel by their viewers who will not do the necessary research.

There is a political party that supports making election day a national holiday so more people can vote and one that does not.

Number one, when it comes to voter fraud we don't know what we don't know because it is so hard and well impossible to audit without infringing on somebody's privacy when it comes to who they voted for. Now while saying that I am not saying that I believe there is widespread fraud either...However Most companies don't know they have been compromised for months or years until they actually do audit, So unless we actually do a complete voter audit (which is impossible) you will never know the true amount of voter fraud. However again auditing voters would be impossible because of privacy. Which makes it so easy for Trumpism to claim voter fraud, because well it is impossible to prove or disprove again without infringing on somebody's freedom.

Now while I say that I am not one that believes there is widespread voter fraud. But I am one that believes the right to cast a ballot should not be made impossible, but it should not be super easy either, to vote you should want to vote, and like anything yes there maybe some work to it, but if you want to participate in our election you should be willing. Again many young men and women have died for our right to vote. So if you are too lazy or not smart enough to go get some sort of picture ID and then register to vote or cannot figure out how to do that... then maybe you really just don't deserve to vote....

I also don't think giving my wife or anybody a water while they wait in line should be against the law...I also don't think anybody should have to wait more than an hour to cast a ballot, if they do then well something needs to be fixed...

 

[r14veer]

Number one, when it comes to voter fraud we don't know what we don't know because it is so hard and well impossible to audit without infringing on somebody's privacy when it comes to who they voted for. Now while saying that I am not saying that I believe there is widespread fraud either...However Most companies don't know they have been compromised for months or years until they actually do audit, So unless we actually do a complete voter audit (which is impossible) you will never know the true amount of voter fraud. However again auditing voters would be impossible because of privacy. Which makes it so easy for Trumpism to claim voter fraud, because well it is impossible to prove or disprove again without infringing on somebody's freedom.

Now while I say that I am not one that believes there is widespread voter fraud. But I am one that believes the right to cast a ballot should not be made impossible, but it should not be super easy either, to vote you should want to vote, and like anything yes there maybe some work to it, but if you want to participate in our election you should be willing. Again many young men and women have died for our right to vote. So if you are too lazy or not smart enough to go get some sort of picture ID and then register to vote or cannot figure out how to do that... then maybe you really just don't deserve to vote....

I also don't think giving my wife or anybody a water while they wait in line should be against the law...I also don't think anybody should have to wait more than an hour to cast a ballot, if they do then well something needs to be fixed...

Ideally, I feel like a person should at least have more than just a rudimentary understanding of how our republic works to be able to vote. But then that becomes a poll test, which have been used in the past to keep certain populations from voting, so that's probably a no-go.

 

[bullitpdq68]

Ideally, I feel like a person should at least have more than just a rudimentary understanding of how our republic works to be able to vote. But then that becomes a poll test, which have been used in the past to keep certain populations from voting, so that's probably a no-go.

Yeah I agree, but you at least gotta want to try a bit to vote...

 

[Expect2Win]

I like what Australia does. They have mandatory voting with a fine up to $170 (not sure if that is US). They have 95% voter turnout.

 

[bullitpdq68]

I like what Australia does. They have mandatory voting with a fine up to $170 (not sure if that is US). They have 95% voter turnout.

I am not sure about mandatory voting, after this election many have shown they only study sound bits and know little about actually facts....

 

[HomeyR]

I am not sure about mandatory voting, after this election many have shown they only study sound bits and know little about actually facts....

Meaning what ?

 

[bullitpdq68]

Meaning what ?

Meaning do you want people voting who are basing thier decisions off of oped opinions and sound bites.....

 

[HomeyR]

Meaning do you want people voting who are basing thier decisions off of oped opinions and sound bites.....

That's a very loaded response... whatever facts seem to be very debateable these days !

 

[bullitpdq68]

That's a very loaded response... whatever facts seem to be very debateable these days !

Well my response was meant as more of an answer to compulsory voting... Forcing people to vote who are not invested in an election who could be basing a decision on a sound bite or talking heads opinion.... or how the candidate looks on TV, just does not seem wise... I know many might argue we have several who do that today....but forcing millions more to do that...

 

[HomeyR]

Well my response was meant as more of an answer to compulsory voting... Forcing people to vote who are not invested in an election who could be basing a decision on a sound bite or talking heads opinion.... or how the candidate looks on TV, just does not seem wise... I know many might argue we have several who do that today....but forcing millions more to do that...

I can agree with you on compulsory voting. Not everyone has to vote if they choose not to. By the same count, no one should have their right to vote suppressed.

 

[bullitpdq68]

I can agree with you on compulsory voting. Not everyone has to vote if they choose not to. By the same count, no one should have their right to vote suppressed.

I can totally agree with you on all accounts.

But I have a serious question on your last statement....what do you consider voter suppression? My opinion doesn't mean I am right or wrong again just an opinion... is that asking people to register and present some sort of ID while voting is not suppression....again I am under the opinion that if you want to vote you will get that done. However I also understand I live in a part of the country and state were I find those things are easy to get done.... And I am not against voter drop boxes or absent T votes, as long as the ballots are verified to have gone to the right person or persons.

 

[HomeyR]

I can totally agree with you on all accounts.

But I have a serious question on your last statement....what do you consider voter suppression? My opinion doesn't mean I am right or wrong again just an opinion... is that asking people to register and present some sort of ID while voting is not suppression....again I am under the opinion that if you want to vote you will get that done. However I also understand I live in a part of the country and state were I find those things are easy to get done.... And I am not against voter drop boxes or absent T votes, as long as the ballots are verified to have gone to the right person or persons.

In turn, I can agree with everything that you just stated. I'm not against some form of voter ID so long as they are made available to every qualified voter.