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Real reason people arent for impeachment

I have no business dealings with Russia.
Lie.
There was no contact between my campaign and russia.
Lie.
The meeting was about russian adoption.
Lie.
It could have been China or a 400 pound kid in his basement.
Lie.
Poppy-liar. Manafort-liar. Cohen-liar.
Flynn-liar. And now Barr-liar.

Why the lies Dan? Why the cover ups?
Why?
 
When it didn't you screamed for the unredacted version. No I didnt. Wth are you talking about? Read the entire report, fool.

You cant answer simple questions. Can you.


If the report exonerates Trump, then why not have Barr get the grand jury portions released and let them see the entire report?

If Trump did nothing wrong why fight the subpoenas?

If Trump did nothing wrong, why lie every freakin day for 2 years?

Answer the questions Dan.

I answered your questions. You got an answer (the Mueller report and the unredacted version) and you didnt like the outcome, so you keep fishing looking for anything to get this president impeached. That's not how the justice system is supposed to work, you don't get an unending witch hunt just because you want to.

That's a waste of time and resources just to play politics.

I hope he wins in 2020 just so your head explodes. So much hate in your life, it must suck to be you everyday searching for validation of your hate.
 
Mueller's report, which I have read, details dozens of contacts between the campaign and russia. Acting like that never happened because he cant "prove" they conspired in advance of their actions is what you are doing. Not having enough evidence to indict does not prove someone innocent.

He is clearly guilty of obstructing a valid and needed investigation.

Here is the the thing Duck if you investigated the last two presidential elections and those candidates you would probable find out that they all had contact with Russia more than you would care to admit, Why because Russia is hedging it's bets. I don't think Russia had anything to do with Trump winning, the fact that you and most Dems cannot let that go just proves how out of touch the most dems are with what is going on with the middle class. And right now Russia is loving how you guys are losing your minds over this and giving them so much credit for our election.

The Dems need to fight Trump on policy, policy that will actually work for the middle class, Alot of what they have I like, The Dems were the first to say NAFTA was no good, but when in power they never did anything about it. The Dems were the first to worry about Jobs going over seas and China but they never did anything about it. Now Trump, a very lose Republican, comes in with those same ideas and is actually trying to do something about and the Dems are going nuts over it. The funny thing, all this week these news media and the Dems are saying how these Chinese tariffs are going to hurt the middle class Trumps base, but most of Trumps base is cheering him on and saying it is about time, because finally they know somebody is standing up for them and something is going to get done, somebody is going toe to toe with China for them and the future. We don't want hand outs, we want results we want jobs!!
 
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Mueller's report, which I have read, details dozens of contacts between the campaign and russia. Acting like that never happened because he cant "prove" they conspired in advance of their actions is what you are doing. Not having enough evidence to indict does not prove someone innocent.

He is clearly guilty of obstructing a valid and needed investigation.

Let's be honest here, you say he is clearly Guilty of obstructing a valid and needed investigation, but that investigation cleared him....really what are you trying to sell the people...

Face facts the Dems know they cannot beat Trump on policy for the middle class because time and time again they have proven they are for big business and they are not the party of action but just words. So their only hope is to discredit him.

I voted independent last election neither candidate I felt was that good. However this election even with all his faults and yes I feel he has many, Trump has proven when he makes a campaign promise he is going to work towards that goal. I also don't agree with everything he has done but the man has the economy moving. And until the Dems can just face facts and realize they lost because of policy and their lack of action when they had both the white house and both branches of congress, I just cannot vote for them knowing they have their head in the sand trying to tell everybody, the economy is good, you are okay, China is nothing to worry about, NAFTA is good and jobs are not moving to Mexico because of it. I call crap on them and their policy's.
 
I answered your questions. You got an answer (the Mueller report and the unredacted version) and you didnt like the outcome, so you keep fishing looking for anything to get this president impeached. That's not how the justice system is supposed to work, you don't get an unending witch hunt just because you want to.

That's a waste of time and resources just to play politics.

I hope he wins in 2020 just so your head explodes. So much hate in your life, it must suck to be you everyday searching for validation of your hate.

You didnt answer the questions at all.

If the report exonerates Trump, then why not have Barr get the grand jury portions released and let them see the entire report?

If Trump did nothing wrong why fight the subpoenas?

If Trump did nothing wrong, why lie every freakin day for 2 years?

If you want the witchhunt to end. Give them the requested info and get it over with.
 
Let's be honest here, you say he is clearly Guilty of obstructing a valid and needed investigation, but that investigation cleared him....really what are you trying to sell the people...

Face facts the Dems know they cannot beat Trump on policy for the middle class because time and time again they have proven they are for big business and they are not the party of action but just words. So their only hope is to discredit him.

I voted independent last election neither candidate I felt was that good. However this election even with all his faults and yes I feel he has many, Trump has proven when he makes a campaign promise he is going to work towards that goal. I also don't agree with everything he has done but the man has the economy moving. And until the Dems can just face facts and realize they lost because of policy and their lack of action when they had both the white house and both branches of congress, I just cannot vote for them knowing they have their head in the sand trying to tell everybody, the economy is good, you are okay, China is nothing to worry about, NAFTA is good and jobs are not moving to Mexico because of it. I call crap on them and their policy's.

Here is what you need to do Bullit.
Read the report. I did. Anyone who reads the report doesnt make the statements you clowns make. Until you inform your self, your opinion aint worth the spit you splatter on your screen.

If the report exonerates Trump, then why not have Barr get the grand jury portions released and let them see the entire report?

If Trump did nothing wrong why fight the subpoenas?

If Trump did nothing wrong, why lie every freakin day for 2 years?
 
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You didnt answer the questions at all.

If the report exonerates Trump, then why not have Barr get the grand jury portions released and let them see the entire report?

If Trump did nothing wrong why fight the subpoenas?

If Trump did nothing wrong, why lie every freakin day for 2 years?

If you want the witchhunt to end. Give them the requested info and get it over with.

Trump is as exonerated as he needs to be. No charges will or can be filed.

There is no need to keep moving the goalpost in an effort to try to get the man impeached. You took your shot and missed. Get over it. This is as ridiculous as the people who kept trying to indict Hillary over Benghazi.

Why fight subpoenas? Because they're a huge waste of time and money.

Why lie? No idea, I'm not him.

If you keep digging you may find something, but on the surface it's a huge waste of time and taxpayer money for a failed fishing expedition that people like you want to continue.
 
Trump is as exonerated as he needs to be. No charges will or can be filed.

There is no need to keep moving the goalpost in an effort to try to get the man impeached. You took your shot and missed. Get over it. This is as ridiculous as the people who kept trying to indict Hillary over Benghazi.

Why fight subpoenas? Because they're a huge waste of time and money.

Why lie? No idea, I'm not him.

If you keep digging you may find something, but on the surface it's a huge waste of time and taxpayer money for a failed fishing expedition that people like you want to continue.

700 prosecutors who actually know the law disagree with you completely. I think I will take their word. Oh and FYI, they read the report.
 
Here is what you need to do Bullit.
Read the report. I did. Anyone who reads the report doesnt make the statements you clowns make. Until you inform your self, your opinion aint worth the spit you splatter on your screen.

If the report exonerates Trump, then why not have Barr get the grand jury portions released and let them see the entire report?

If Trump did nothing wrong why fight the subpoenas?

If Trump did nothing wrong, why lie every freakin day for 2 years?

I read the report. Don't assume things.

I think Trump just lies...honestly, he is all about branding and he wants to always look like the smartest man in the room. sort of like you on this board, always calling others names when we don't want to agree with you..You and Trump are more alike than you care to admit.
 
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I read the report. Don't assume things.

I think Trump just lies...honestly, he is all about branding and he wants to always look like the smartest man in the room. sort of like you on this board, always calling others names when we don't want to agree with you..You and Trump are more alike than you care to admit.

We are nothing alike. I care about people who arent in the 1%. Has this admin started working on the plan to re-train the thousands of workers who will lose their jobs when AI replaces them? How many $100,000 truck driving jobs are going to go bye bye?

So much could be getting done to improve the world if we had a caring, decent human being in the white house.
 
We are nothing alike. I care about people who arent in the 1%. Has this admin started working on the plan to re-train the thousands of workers who will lose their jobs when AI replaces them? How many $100,000 truck driving jobs are going to go bye bye?

So much could be getting done to improve the world if we had a caring, decent human being in the white house.

You mean like record low unemployment?
 
We are nothing alike. I care about people who arent in the 1%. Has this admin started working on the plan to re-train the thousands of workers who will lose their jobs when AI replaces them? How many $100,000 truck driving jobs are going to go bye bye?

So much could be getting done to improve the world if we had a caring, decent human being in the white house.

He might have time to get even more positive things done if he didn't spend so much time defending himself from baseless accusations from the dems.

They have done absolutely nothing for the last two years but try to get him impeached using whatever lie's and smear's they can dream up.
 
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You mean like record low unemployment?

I am glad the unemployment numbers are good. Those were called fake numbers by Trump when Obama was in office and the number was headed down. Glad they fixed that problem.
 
He might have time to get even more positive things done if he didn't spend so much time defending himself from baseless accusations from the dems.

They have done absolutely nothing for the last two years but try to get him impeached using whatever lie's and smear's they can dream up.

They have passed several bills in the past 2 months if you were paying attention. What good does it do? Mitch McConnell wont even let them be debated. There is no discussion even occurring because Mitch is god.
 
We are nothing alike. I care about people who arent in the 1%. Has this admin started working on the plan to re-train the thousands of workers who will lose their jobs when AI replaces them? How many $100,000 truck driving jobs are going to go bye bye?

So much could be getting done to improve the world if we had a caring, decent human being in the white house.

Nobody knows what the future will look like and nobody can predict it. Shoot most people thought by now we would have flying cars....

You are probable right but in my life time I have never seen that. Obama was nothing but a Liar, he said he would do all these things and when it came down to it he caved to big business over NAFTA over China and over Insurance and health care. Trump has at least taken up two of the issues and fixing those for the middle class. Everyday you hear big bussiness and the DEM's whining about how Trump is going to hurt the economy because he is actually doing something about NAFTA and China, and guess what employment is the lowest it has ever been and the economy is humming along. Maybe you DEM's really don't care about the middle class, Hillary never would release her speeches to the banks but that never bothered you...Just depends on what side of the fence you sit on.
 
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Nobody knows what the future will look like and nobody can predict it. Shoot most people thought by now we would have flying cars....

You are probable right but in my life time I have never seen that. Obama was nothing but a Liar, he said he would do all these things and when it came down to it he caved to big business over NAFTA over China and over Insurance and health care. Trump has at least taken up two of the issues and fixing those for the middle class. Everyday you hear big bussiness and the DEM's whining about how Trump is going to hurt the economy because he is actually doing something about NAFTA and China, and guess what employment is the lowest it has ever been and the economy is humming along. Maybe you DEM's really don't care about the middle class, Hillary never would release her speeches to the banks but that never bothered you...Just depends on what side of the fence you sit on.

Good grief. I was the chief Hillary basher on this board in those days. I railed on her wall street connections and foundation day after day. I was the biggest Bernie booster in Missouri then.

Explain to me what real change Trump made to NAFTA that has done anything for blue collar workers. He renamed the damn thing. No real change.

When were the most jobs created, Obama's last 2 years or Trump's first 2 years?

He gave huge tax cuts to corporations and the top 1%. What did everyone say was going to happen? Stock buy backs instead of pay raises. And thats exactly what happened. Corporate profits soared because of the tax cuts and the stock market mirrored that. The rich got even richer.

What real economic change has he made?
 
Good grief. I was the chief Hillary basher on this board in those days. I railed on her wall street connections and foundation day after day. I was the biggest Bernie booster in Missouri then.

Explain to me what real change Trump made to NAFTA that has done anything for blue collar workers. He renamed the damn thing. No real change.

When were the most jobs created, Obama's last 2 years or Trump's first 2 years?

He gave huge tax cuts to corporations and the top 1%. What did everyone say was going to happen? Stock buy backs instead of pay raises. And thats exactly what happened. Corporate profits soared because of the tax cuts and the stock market mirrored that. The rich got even richer.

What real economic change has he made?

have you read USMCA? I have. It has improvements, and guess who is blocking it....THE DEMS!!!
 
have you read USMCA? I have. It has improvements, and guess who is blocking it....THE DEMS!!!

You you are giving credit to Trump for improving our economy with the "new nafta" and it hasnt even taken effect. Bahahaha
 
Good grief. What real economic change has he made?

From MSNBC.


At a time when most economists had been using the term "full employment" to describe the economy, 3.9 million more Americans have joined the ranks of the working during the Trump term. During the same period under former President Barack Obama, employment had fallen by 2.6 million. The economy in total, while still not in breakout mode, has grown by $1.4 trillion through the second quarter under Trump; the same time period for Obama saw a gain of just $481 billion, or a third of Trump's total.

Businesses are investing, consumers are spending and innovation is on the rise as well.

Trump pledged that he would pare down regulations that were choking business activity. While the actual moves toward deregulation haven't been quite as ambitious as planned, the approach has won him converts in the business community.

The most recent reading from the National Federation of Independent Business was the second highest in history dating back 45 years. Small business owners reported aggressive hiring plans, the only obstacle to which has been a dearth of labor supply. The end of June saw 6.7 million job openings and just 6.6 million Americans classified as unemployed, an unprecedented imbalance.

"Expansion continues to be a priority for small businesses who show no signs of slowing as they anticipate more sales and better business conditions." NFIB President and CEO Juanita Duggan said in a statement.

How he did it
Trump's economic program was very simple: an attack on taxes and regulations with an extra dose of spending on infrastructure and the military that would create a supply shock to a moribund economy.

On the tax side, the White House pushed through a massive $1.5 trillion reform plan that sliced the highest-in-the-world corporate tax from 35 percent to 21 percent and lowered rates for millions of taxpayers, though the cuts for individuals will expire in 2025.

On deregulation, Trump ordered that rules be pared back or eliminated across the board. During his time in office, Congress has cut back on the Dodd-Frank banking reforms, particularly in areas affecting regional and community institutions, rolled back a multitude of environmental protections that he said were killing jobs and took a hatchet to dozens of other rules. (The left-leaning Brookings Institution think tank has a rolling deregulation tracker that can be viewed here.)

During the first year of his administration, "significant regulatory activity" had declined 74 percent from where it was in the same period of the Obama administration, according to data collected by Bridget Dooling, research professor at GW's Regulatory Studies Center.

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The Dodd-Frank rollbacks have been particularly helpful to community banks, whose share prices collectively are up more than 25 percent over the past year. Small-cap stocks in general have strongly outperformed the broader market, gaining 23 percent over the past 12 months at a time when the S&P 500 is up 17 percent.

The Federal Register, where business rules are stored and thus serves as a proxy for regulatory activity, was 19.2 percent smaller from Inauguration Day until Aug. 16 under Trump than during the same period for Obama.

"You can think of that as turning off the spigot of new regulations," Dooling said in an interview. She said more aggressive movement appears to be on the way.

Dooling said recent regulatory changes from the Environmental Protection Agency and the departments of Education and Labor will advance deregulation in an even "more meaningful way."

In addition to expected deregulation benefits, there's also anticipation that the true benefits of tax cuts have yet to kick in. Mick Mulvaney, head of the Office of Management and Budget, recently told CNBC that he attributes the bulk of new economic growth to deregulation rather than the tax cuts, whose benefits he expects to come later.
 
You you are giving credit to Trump for improving our economy with the "new nafta" and it hasnt even taken effect. Bahahaha

I think it has helped because business have to think long term, so they are making changes. You might read it, if you read it you would be calling on your DEMs to in the house to pass it. It even takes up wages not just for our country but those in Mexico.

I at least actually read and learn from both sides. I find sometimes those who think the are smarter because they went to college actually are the dumbest in the room because they refuse to look at anything with open eyes.
 
But the USMCA is essentially NAFTA 2.0, with a few updates. The pact has been tweaked to include changes for automakers, labor and environmental standards, intellectual property protections, and digital trade provisions.

Here are the biggest changes:

  • Country of origin rules: Automobiles must have 75 percent of their components manufactured in Mexico, the US, or Canada to qualify for zero tariffs (up from 62.5 percent under NAFTA).
  • Labor provisions: 40 to 45 percent of automobile parts have to be made by workers who earn at least $16 an hour by 2023. Mexico has also agreed to pass laws giving workers the right to union representation, extending labor protections to migrant workers, and protecting women from discrimination. The countries can also sanction one another for labor violations.
  • US farmers get more access to the Canadian dairy market: The US got Canada to open up its dairy market to US farmers, which was a big issue for Trump.
  • Intellectual property and digital trade: The deal extends the terms of copyright to 70 years beyond the life of the author (up from 50). It also extends the period that a pharmaceutical drug can be protected from generic competition, and includes new provisions to deal with the digital economy, including prohibiting duties on things like music and e-books, and protections for internet companies so they’re not liable for content their users produce.
  • No section 232 tariff protections: Section 232 is a trade loophole that Trump used to impose steel and aluminum tariffs on Canada, Mexico, and the European Union. Canada and Mexico wanted protections from these tariffs as part of the NAFTA negotiations, and the fact that tariffs are still in place remains a sore subject, particularly for Canada. Canada and Mexico did get the US to make a side agreement that shields them from possible auto tariffs under 232.
  • Sunset clause: The agreement adds a 16-year “sunset” clause — meaning the terms of the agreement expire, or “sunset,” after a set period of time. The deal is also subject to a review every six years, at which point the US, Mexico, and Canada can decide to extend the USMCA.
 
I think it has helped because business have to think long term, so they are making changes. You might read it, if you read it you would be calling on your DEMs to in the house to pass it. It even takes up wages not just for our country but those in Mexico.

Have the canadian and mexico legislatures voted on it yet? Its not just Dems. Has McConnell allowed it to be debated in the senate?
 
But the USMCA is essentially NAFTA 2.0, with a few updates. The pact has been tweaked to include changes for automakers, labor and environmental standards, intellectual property protections, and digital trade provisions.

Here are the biggest changes:

  • Country of origin rules: Automobiles must have 75 percent of their components manufactured in Mexico, the US, or Canada to qualify for zero tariffs (up from 62.5 percent under NAFTA).
  • Labor provisions: 40 to 45 percent of automobile parts have to be made by workers who earn at least $16 an hour by 2023. Mexico has also agreed to pass laws giving workers the right to union representation, extending labor protections to migrant workers, and protecting women from discrimination. The countries can also sanction one another for labor violations.
  • US farmers get more access to the Canadian dairy market: The US got Canada to open up its dairy market to US farmers, which was a big issue for Trump.
  • Intellectual property and digital trade: The deal extends the terms of copyright to 70 years beyond the life of the author (up from 50). It also extends the period that a pharmaceutical drug can be protected from generic competition, and includes new provisions to deal with the digital economy, including prohibiting duties on things like music and e-books, and protections for internet companies so they’re not liable for content their users produce.
  • No section 232 tariff protections: Section 232 is a trade loophole that Trump used to impose steel and aluminum tariffs on Canada, Mexico, and the European Union. Canada and Mexico wanted protections from these tariffs as part of the NAFTA negotiations, and the fact that tariffs are still in place remains a sore subject, particularly for Canada. Canada and Mexico did get the US to make a side agreement that shields them from possible auto tariffs under 232.
  • Sunset clause: The agreement adds a 16-year “sunset” clause — meaning the terms of the agreement expire, or “sunset,” after a set period of time. The deal is also subject to a review every six years, at which point the US, Mexico, and Canada can decide to extend the USMCA.

Oh my , look at you you went out and copied the first thing you could find off VOX.... you really are something.... no way can you think for yourself. Cannot go out and read it, but yet you claim to have read the entire Mueller report... I think you and Trump are alot alike, you both are lairs and call others names.
 
Oh my , look at you you went out and copied the first thing you could find off VOX.... you really are something.... no way can you think for yourself. Cannot go out and read it, but yet you claim to have read the entire Mueller report... I think you and Trump are alot alike, you both are lairs and call others names.

Then why do you rip on me but constantly kiss his con man ass?
 
Then why do you rip on me but constantly kiss his con man ass?

LOL, no I see Trump for what he is, I really wish the DEM's could bring somebody up that could beat him. But until they at least change their support on NAFTA, and truly change their tune on China and realize they are a threat to our economy and our middle class I cannot support them.
 
The guy who wrote Trump's famous book, "The Art of the Deal" says Trump is an absolute sociopath. He doesnt care who he hurts or who he lies to. He said Trump's entire life, his reputation as a business man are nothing but a con.

But you just keep on worshipping, bro.
 
The guy who wrote Trump's famous book, "The Art of the Deal" says Trump is an absolute sociopath. He doesnt care who he hurts or who he lies to. He said Trump's entire life, his reputation as a business man are nothing but a con.

But you just keep on worshipping, bro.

This is the best you can come up with, Duck I don't know why I try to engage with you, I want to have a discussion on policy and when I prove you wrong you can only hurl insults.

You carry on Duck...When you want to have a true discussion on policy what policy's are good and bad for the country no matter who or what party brings it up let me know.
 
This is the best you can come up with, Duck I don't know why I try to engage with you, I want to have a discussion on policy and when I prove you wrong you can only hurl insults.

You carry on Duck...When you want to have a true discussion on policy what policy's are good and bad for the country no matter who or what party brings it up let me know.

Policy isnt the only impact a president has bro. Making it ok to be a vile, lying, beligerent a-hole in the biggest office in the land trickles down far more than corporate profits.

Empowered white nationalists and offended allies are among the groups I worry about.
Just go on with your conman fetish.
 
The guy who wrote Trump's famous book, "The Art of the Deal" says Trump is an absolute sociopath. He doesnt care who he hurts or who he lies to. He said Trump's entire life, his reputation as a business man are nothing but a con.

But you just keep on worshipping, bro.

ALL politicians, with the exception of Jimmy Carter are self absorbed sociopaths. Politics and business are designed to reward sociopathy.
 
Policy isnt the only impact a president has bro. Making it ok to be a vile, lying, beligerent a-hole in the biggest office in the land trickles down far more than corporate profits.

Empowered white nationalists and offended allies are among the groups I worry about.
Just go on with your conman fetish.

That is why the DEM's are going to lose.... They don't care about the people who they are supposed to represent and who put them in office, they care more about other countries and what they think.

By the way the United States under Trump also took back the WEF ranking of number 1, the last time we held it was 2008. eight years under Obama the U.S.' competitiveness ranking slid, pretty much until Trump was elected and reversed the slide with tax cuts, deregulation and trade renegotiation that pushed U.S. GDP growth roughly 50% higher than it was under Obama.

It was a stark admission by the global group, which includes many of the world's left-leaning elite and super wealthy CEOs and entrepreneurs, of the strides made under Trump. For the record, the U.S. ranked as low as seventh place but got no higher than No. 3 under Obama.

We can always go back to the DEM's way they will always give you food stamps. It’s also an indictment of Obama’s leadership that the number of Americans receiving food stamps exploded during his time in office, and reached an all-time high in 2013 of almost 48 million before falling slightly to roughly 46 million participants his last year. But during Obama’s first year in office, there were fewer than 33.5 million food stamp recipients, so the increase has been dramatic: there are 12.2 million more Americans on foods stamps today than when Obama took office.

Good luck in the election if all DEM's feel like you do about policy's.

By the way anytime you are down here in Monett look me up, you can get my number from @Rawmet, he has it I would be glad to take you out to lunch and actually talk policy. Since I know like most DEM's you won't turn down a free meal....LOL.
 
Yes let's do all we can to take focus off the economy and try to derail it, so we can get back to people depending on the US government for handouts.

I think you kind of missed the point. But lets be honest. If Donnie had just come out in early 2017 and said the russians interfered in our election and we are going to make sure it doesnt happen again, there would have never been a Mueller investigation of his campaign and you and he would have nothing to whine about. His lying and cover up (and Helsinki) are why this crap has dragged on and on. No one to blame but Trump.
 
I think you kind of missed the point. But lets be honest. If Donnie had just come out in early 2017 and said the russians interfered in our election and we are going to make sure it doesnt happen again, there would have never been a Mueller investigation of his campaign and you and he would have nothing to whine about. His lying and cover up (and Helsinki) are why this crap has dragged on and on. No one to blame but Trump.

Duck the problem is all the Polls show American's don't care about the Russian investigation end of story. Health care is the number one thing that most American's care about. If the Dem's want to hit Trump were it matters hit him there. Right now all their focus is on Russia and most voters don't care. It is over move on.
 
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