Quarantine over for players?
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I wear a mask anywhere I go and I avoid non-mask wearers like they have a serious disease. I look no one in the face and I stay at least 10 feet from everyone. If anybody gets close I move as fast as possible. I know 3 healthy people who got very sick and ended up in the hospital and one can't even hardly walk.
too bad Americans don't care about their fellow man like south Koreans does and they all wear masks for the better of society. Americans are too selfish to put others first. And we wonder why we are no longer a Christian nation. We forgot to love your neighbor as yourself now it is to love me and to heck with my neighbor. Back when I was young Americans cared about each other but then greed and selfish behavior is what we got. And we wonder why satan has taken control. He is all over social media and he is taking kids left and right because we adults aren't a good example.
Until someone shows me a scientific study done in the last 8 months that prompted Fauci, CDC and WHO to change their recommendations.
“Everyone Agrees” is not a reason. Show me a peer reviewed study that shows surgical and home made masks are effective at stopping CV19
there are at least 100 studies that show mask work at least 50% of protection for the mask wearer and more for other people. Fauci said the mask wasn't useful at first because he didn't want them 95 masks going to the public but to the front line workers. My daughter is a nurse their technician died from covid and they have had 3 other nurses get very ill. And she demands that I and her mom wear a mask. She lives it and sees the result of people, not wearing a mask. And she says the sickness you can't describe it is the fu times 10. If Trump would have said on day 1 to wear masks we wouldn't have a mask problem in this nation.
All I know is if we're going to be expected to mask up for the foreseeable future they better get crackin on a much more comfortable design. Cloth masks are chock full of suck.
Simple just google mask-wearing and its effectiveness and you will see numerous studies and tests done by leading scientists and corporations around the world. Why do you think South Korea has such little sickness compared to us. I just struggle with why is it so hard to simply put on a mask what is the big deal if it MIGHT help. Why wear seat belts or have kids wear helmets when riding a bicycle.
Why require drivers licenses? It's my car I should be able to drive it wherever I want with no restrictions? It's the government trying to control you.
That is anecdotal evidence at best. The CDC on their website say
Data regarding the “real-world” effectiveness of community masking are limited to observational and epidemiological studies.
Their has never been a scientific, pier reviewed large scale study of mask effectiveness
Effectiveness of Masks and Respirators Against Respiratory Infections in Healthcare Workers: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis
In this systematic review and meta-analysis, we found evidence for a protective effect of facemasks and respirators against clinical respiratory infection
academic.oup.com
This is a peer reviewed study on the effectiveness on masks against airborne viruses including Sars and H1N1 it is a long read as it is a true peer reviewed study and not just a summary, from 2017
Lol no it’s not,,,did you read it???Effectiveness of Masks and Respirators Against Respiratory Infections in Healthcare Workers: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis
In this systematic review and meta-analysis, we found evidence for a protective effect of facemasks and respirators against clinical respiratory infection
This is a peer reviewed study on the effectiveness on masks against airborne viruses including Sars and H1N1 it is a long read as it is a true peer reviewed study and not just a summary, from 2017
This systematic review and meta-analysis quantified the protective effect of facemasks and respirators against respiratory infections among healthcare workers. Relevant articles were retrieved from Pubmed, EMBASE, and Web of Science. Meta-analyses were conducted to calculate pooled estimates.
“Calculate pooled estimates”
I scientific study would put 1000 people with masks, and 1000 people with no masks in the same environment to see if their is a statistical difference in the rate of infection
It has never, ever been done
I think you are confusing a peer reviewed study for an 8th grade science experiment...
Just a note about your conception of what constitutes a scientific study: Every valid peer-reviewed scientific study isn't necessarily undertaken in laboratory-perfect conditions. This is ideal, of course, but certainly not required in a scientific study, which is why controls are typically applied. I think everyone would love to see a study in laboratory-perfect conditions on the efficacy of masks, or a great many other things, for that matter.
If masks are so effective, why are some of the highest positivity rates in counties / communities with mask ordinances? I personally think masks HELP REDUCE the airborne virus. I also think that they create a false sense of security and people are comfortable not following the MORE EFFECTIVE method of distancing. The virus is real... I've had it. My first and worst symptom was loss of smell and taste. My wife had it... she ran a fever for 12 hours and coughed for a few days. I've donated plasma several times to help those who don't get by as easy. Bottom line... this sucks, but we can't go around blaming each other. We are all living it. Be smart about it and help keep these boys on the field a few more weeks!
You are right, that's what they should have done. But we're talking about politicians and they are better at serving their own interests than the general public. Plus, saying "you don't need a mask" is easier than saying you need one but please don't buy one because there aren't enough and we were unprepared for this situation that scientists had been warning about for years.
I'm game for the bible fight, but first, I'll call out the (hopefully) obvious red herring being committed. People do that when their argument is weak, so now everyone has you tabbed.
Now to the bible fight. Fear is not a sin; it is a reaction to danger or uncertainty. If you could point out the book, chapter, and verse in the bible where it lines out fear as an actual sin (as opposed to the bible just talking about not having fear, etc.), that'd be great.
Context is important
Romans 14:23 means if you are in doubt of whether or not the food you eat has been cleansed by God, but eat it anyway, you are sinning. Christians must have stronger faith. It’s from the teachings of Paul about things that might divide churches.
Don’t pick snippets of the Bible to validate your argument (either side of this argument, or any argument) please
Romans 14:23 means if you are in doubt of whether or not the food you eat has been cleansed by God, but eat it anyway, you are sinning. Christians must have stronger faith. It’s from the teachings of Paul about things that might divide churches.
Don’t pick snippets of the Bible to validate your argument (either side of this argument, or any argument) please
You are editorializing. Show me the part where fear is designated as a sin, because that's what you said and what I asked about..
If I were God incarnate and I knew it, I probably wouldn't fear leprosy, or much of anything, really, either, particularly if I already knew what was going to happen.
Fear is not a sin. God has given us our emotions so that we may exercise wisdom and discernment. Fear is often a clue to protect you. If however, our thoughts and actions are opposed to the word of God, we can surmise that we are acting out of fear and not faith, which would be a sin. Choosing to avoid people who are not wearing a mask could very well fit into the discernment category. Are you an at risk person? Are you around others who are at risk? if so, it makes sense to avoid others who are not practicing safer social habits.
We all have fears, but not all fear is the same. How do we know when fear is sin and when fear is a good thing, given to us by God to preserve us and those around us? God has given us emotions, that clue to protect you.
If we find ourselves failing to trust God and then we feel fear creep into our lives, we can rest assured that the fear and anger we feel is then a sin.
Like the old fabel goes about the man in a flood many times he turned away help stating that God would take care of him, after he drowned he asked God why didn't you help me in my time of need, only to be told by God I sent several people to help you. We all fear many things but we don't always turn away help or from God because of it many times we seek out God and become closer to him because of it. If you get sick and fear dying, then is going to the doctor and seeking out medical care a sin, because you don't want to die and are seeking out help?
Being fearful of a virus is not sin, Wearing a mask is not a sin. Judging those who do and judging those who suggest we do is. None of us know God's plan fully, we just hope that we all can do the best we can and do right for ourselves and loved ones and try and protect all living beings.
Peace to you all.
P.S. in the words of RAW wrong forum!!!
If we find ourselves failing to trust God and then we feel fear creep into our lives, we can rest assured that the fear and anger we feel is then a sin.
Like the old fabel goes about the man in a flood many times he turned away help stating that God would take care of him, after he drowned he asked God why didn't you help me in my time of need, only to be told by God I sent several people to help you. We all fear many things but we don't always turn away help or from God because of it many times we seek out God and become closer to him because of it. If you get sick and fear dying, then is going to the doctor and seeking out medical care a sin, because you don't want to die and are seeking out help?
Being fearful of a virus is not sin, Wearing a mask is not a sin. Judging those who do and judging those who suggest we do is. None of us know God's plan fully, we just hope that we all can do the best we can and do right for ourselves and loved ones and try and protect all living beings.
Peace to you all.
P.S. in the words of RAW wrong forum!!!
Lust is a sin. They shall not covet they neighbor and all. But again, if you are having feelings of lust, the Bible says to turn to your faith-not act on your lust. If you are having feelings of fear-turn to your faith and have strength in the Lord, “if He is for us then who could stand against us” kind of thing. Lust is one of the seven deadly sins. Comparing the two as simple emotions is a bit of a stretch.
I don’t disagree with your premise in your earlier argument either. Using selections of the Bible to validate an argument is truly not very Christian. Turning someone away because they think/look/act etc different than you definitely isn’t. Just because someone sins different than you doesn’t make you better than them. I originally thought his statements were tongue in cheek.
Sure, it’s the wrong forum but it beats watching the news
I don’t disagree with your premise in your earlier argument either. Using selections of the Bible to validate an argument is truly not very Christian. Turning someone away because they think/look/act etc different than you definitely isn’t. Just because someone sins different than you doesn’t make you better than them. I originally thought his statements were tongue in cheek.
Sure, it’s the wrong forum but it beats watching the news
Here is the thing, God gave us emotions to help prompt us to do something, be it run out of a burning house or avoid danger. Since God says all of the commandments hang upon loving God and loving others (Mat 22:37-39), I know and honestly believe that our emotions help us for the most part live in healthy relationships and stay connected to God and others. Now there are times that we experience some emotions in ways that separate rather than connect, making us think that that some emotions are harmful or even sinful. However the manner in which we express emotion makes it either a sin or not.
And really something to remember Relationships are two-way connections. So when we are resistant to expressing emotions we tend to also be resistant to hearing and validating the emotions of others.
Sorry, no. Thomas Aquinas coined the phrase seven deadly sins, he also has the seven heavenly virtues. They were the sins that all other sins came from or are caused by. . And I totally agree, wearing a mask is absolutely not a spiritual act. Courtesy perhaps. Good idea possibly. But not a spiritual act.
God helps those who help themselves ... wear a freaking mask. It will help you and others. Pleasing God twice.
Remember Jesus telling Satan that you “don’t put the Lord God to the test.” No mask, I’m putting God to the test that he’ll protect me. Don’t do that.
Ever hear the story about the farmer who had his land flooded when a levy broke? As the water rose the farmer kept climbing higher. Another farmer comes by in his canoe and tells the stranded farmer to get in. His reply is, “No, thanks. God will save me.
Awhile later the sheriff’s department comes by in a motorboat. He tells the farmer to get in. He says , “No, thanks. God will save me.”
Now the farmer is on the roof and the water is still rapidly rising. A helicopter flies over his house and drops a rope ladder for the farmer to save himself. Again, he declined the offer saying, “No, thanks. God will save me.
A short time later the stubborn farmer drowns.
He ends up in heaven and begins to seek out God. When he finds Him he says, “What’s the deal, God. I had faith you’d save me from the rushing, high water. But here I am. I drowned. You didn’t save me.
God looks at the upset farmer and says, “Whoa, whoa! What do you mean? I sent you two boats and a helicopter. What the hell more did you want me to do?”
God has sent us the messages to wash our hands, socially distance and wear a mask. What in the hell more do you want him to do?!?
Remember Jesus telling Satan that you “don’t put the Lord God to the test.” No mask, I’m putting God to the test that he’ll protect me. Don’t do that.
Ever hear the story about the farmer who had his land flooded when a levy broke? As the water rose the farmer kept climbing higher. Another farmer comes by in his canoe and tells the stranded farmer to get in. His reply is, “No, thanks. God will save me.
Awhile later the sheriff’s department comes by in a motorboat. He tells the farmer to get in. He says , “No, thanks. God will save me.”
Now the farmer is on the roof and the water is still rapidly rising. A helicopter flies over his house and drops a rope ladder for the farmer to save himself. Again, he declined the offer saying, “No, thanks. God will save me.
A short time later the stubborn farmer drowns.
He ends up in heaven and begins to seek out God. When he finds Him he says, “What’s the deal, God. I had faith you’d save me from the rushing, high water. But here I am. I drowned. You didn’t save me.
God looks at the upset farmer and says, “Whoa, whoa! What do you mean? I sent you two boats and a helicopter. What the hell more did you want me to do?”
God has sent us the messages to wash our hands, socially distance and wear a mask. What in the hell more do you want him to do?!?
