Parkland shooting commission recommends arming teachers

[outsideveer89]

by a vote of 13-1

In the ideal world, we shouldn't need anyone on campus with a gun, but that's not the world we live in today," said Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd, a member of the commission. "One's not enough. Two's not enough. We need multiple people in order to protect the children."

Common sense might prevail

 

[3Rfan]

by a vote of 13-1

In the ideal world, we shouldn't need anyone on campus with a gun, but that's not the world we live in today," said Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd, a member of the commission. "One's not enough. Two's not enough. We need multiple people in order to protect the children."

Common sense might prevail

So what do the swat teams do when they show and find several civilians with gun in hand? Maybe the same thing that happened in a mall recently, they shoot the 'good guy' with a gun because they have no way to know who is who.

 

[wccards21]

So what do the swat teams do when they show and find several civilians with gun in hand? Maybe the same thing that happened in a mall recently, they shoot the 'good guy' with a gun because they have no way to know who is who.

No no no

He was a black military member with a gun, trying to help others to safety. That's not a good guy with a gun. That's why he was killed. Big difference

 

[TJ_DUB]

by a vote of 13-1

In the ideal world, we shouldn't need anyone on campus with a gun, but that's not the world we live in today," said Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd, a member of the commission. "One's not enough. Two's not enough. We need multiple people in order to protect the children."

Common sense might prevail

For common sense to prevail they need to can talk like that.

 

[outsideveer89]

So what do the swat teams do when they show and find several civilians with gun in hand? Maybe the same thing that happened in a mall recently, they shoot the 'good guy' with a gun because they have no way to know who is who.

Better a cop maybe shoot one good guy than a psychopath murder 20-30 children

 

[TJ_DUB]

Better a cop maybe shoot one good guy than a psychopath murder 20-30 children

What say you volunteer at a school with your heat packed to defend vs. any potential shooter? You seem quick to volunteer others.

 

[Duck_walk]

What say you volunteer at a school with your heat packed to defend vs. any potential shooter? You seem quick to volunteer others.

90% chance he wont be able to protect the students due to bone spurs.

 

[outsideveer89]

What say you volunteer at a school with your heat packed to defend vs. any potential shooter? You seem quick to volunteer others.

Well I couldn’t do any worse than the school administrators and teachers nationwide are doing that’s for dang sure.

 

[TJ_DUB]

Well I couldn’t do any worse than the school administrators and teachers nationwide are doing that’s for dang sure.

Go for it. Teachers and administrators aren’t trained to wield guns and don’t have time to train. They need you and your kind to protect them. Keep us updated.

 

[outsideveer89]

Go for it. Teachers and administrators aren’t trained to wield guns and don’t have time to train. They need you and your kind to protect them. Keep us updated.

The instant a child steps onto school property their safety and well being are the responsibility of the school district and their employees. It’s time to start holding them responsible.

School years in Missouri are 174 days long. That leaves 191 days a year that teachers are not in a classroom teaching. I would think learning skills to keep children (and yourself) from being murdered while in your care would be at the top of the list for things to be doing while not teaching

191 free days but administrators and teachers don’t have the time????

 

[TJ_DUB]

The instant a child steps onto school property their safety and well being are the responsibility of the school district and their employees. It’s time to start holding them responsible.

School years in Missouri are 174 days long. That leaves 191 days a year that teachers are not in a classroom teaching. I would think learning skills to keep children (and yourself) from being murdered while in your care would be at the top of the list for things to be doing while not teaching

191 free days but administrators and teachers don’t have the time????

Just because they’re not in school doesn’t mean they’re sitting at home doing nothing. They have families, summer jobs, continued education, coaching responsibilities, preparing for the next school year ... I know. I taught for 25 years. After stuffing 12 months of work into nine months, putting up with kids and some asinine parents ... have you been EVER been a teacher for one day? If not, you don’t understand.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

I’m all for arming teachers and admin that feel willing to do so. Schools can fund the training for a handful of staff to get prepared. Then don’t tell anyone who is armed, but instead just let everyone know there are armed adults in the building. It will stop some from even attempting it.

 

[millerbleach]

by a vote of 13-1

In the ideal world, we shouldn't need anyone on campus with a gun, but that's not the world we live in today," said Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd, a member of the commission. "One's not enough. Two's not enough. We need multiple people in order to protect the children."

Common sense might prevail

Where are the students DEMANDING gun control at? I thought they would never go away? Funding must have dried up.

Finally some actual solution possibilities.

 

[3Rfan]

The instant a child steps onto school property their safety and well being are the responsibility of the school district and their employees. It’s time to start holding them responsible.

School years in Missouri are 174 days long. That leaves 191 days a year that teachers are not in a classroom teaching. I would think learning skills to keep children (and yourself) from being murdered while in your care would be at the top of the list for things to be doing while not teaching

191 free days but administrators and teachers don’t have the time????

I see you don't know much about what teachers really do or how much time they actually spend at school. That still doesn't tell me they should have a gun in their hand when the cops showed looking for a civilian with gun. You can volunteer your kid, I won't volunteer mine.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

I see you don't know much about what teachers really do or how much time they actually spend at school. That still doesn't tell me they should have a gun in their hand when the cops showed looking for a civilian with gun. You can volunteer your kid, I won't volunteer mine.

Common sense also says you can inform the police of how many teachers have firearms and even give them pictures of who those people are. You can also train to know what to do when the police get there...is it perfect? No. But I really think a lot of the problems would be deterred before they happened.

 

[TJ_DUB]

Common sense also says you can inform the police of how many teachers have firearms and even give them pictures of who those people are. You can also train to know what to do when the police get there...is it perfect? No. But I really think a lot of the problems would be deterred before they happened.

That’s asking a lot of law enforcement officers to look at a picture, memorize those faces and go into a building where bullets may be flying and see multiple people with a weapon in their hands.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

That’s asking a lot of law enforcement officers to look at a picture, memorize those faces and go into a building where bullets may be flying and see multiple people with a weapon in their hands.

I didn’t say it was perfect. If you ask any expert, the people that go into these buildings armed want absolute power. When they don’t know who is armed and their power is threatened, it will deter some...I’m sure not without incident, but better than now

 

[millerbleach]

I didn’t say it was perfect. If you ask any expert, the people that go into these buildings armed want absolute power. When they don’t know who is armed and their power is threatened, it will deter some...I’m sure not without incident, but better than now

Libs are very determined to say things won't work when the evidence shows it should. The purpose of arming people is to deter those who want to be a bad guy with no resistance.

 

[TJ_DUB]

Libs are very determined to say things won't work when the evidence shows it should. The purpose of arming people is to deter those who want to be a bad guy with no resistance.

“Should” work and “does” work are two different things. So use human subjects in a life or death situation? Hmmm? Someone used to run experiments on human subjects in life or death situations. Who was that?

 

[you_dont_know_me]

If you are going to write off this solution because it is something we haven’t done? I work in a school building. I’d rather have the chance to take down a shooter (and again, deter them from doing it in the first place) than just have to be a glorified meat shield. And this is coming from someone who doesn’t own a gun.

Do you think it would be worse or deter mass shootings?

Will you answer..... Or are you going to play ignorant, ask questions that don’t matter except to argue semantics, and not provide your own answer?

 

[TJ_DUB]

If you are going to write off this solution because it is something we haven’t done? I work in a school building. I’d rather have the chance to take down a shooter (and again, deter them from doing it in the first place) than just have to be a glorified meat shield. And this is coming from someone who doesn’t own a gun.

Do you think it would be worse or deter mass shootings?

Will you answer..... Or are you going to play ignorant, ask questions that don’t matter except to argue semantics, and not provide your own answer?

I don’t have an answer. Good people who own guns, legally, go bad/crazy and shoot others. Or someone who isn’t on a “list” buys a gun , legally, and walks into a school a shoots it up ... I don’t know how to stop that. But if they’re crazy, they don’t care if they walk out or are carried out. So how does this solution deter that? Are you going to answer?

I don’t have an answer and never claimed to have one. I do know when I hear a solution that I personally don’t think will work. Just my opinion. Some of you guys on here act as if your opinion is gospel and anyone who disagrees is an atheist.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

I don’t have an answer. Good people who own guns, legally, go bad/crazy and shoot others. Or someone who isn’t on a “list” buys a gun , legally, and walks into a school a shoots it up ... I don’t know how to stop that. But if they’re crazy, they don’t care if they walk out or are carried out. So how does this solution deter that? Are you going to answer?

I don’t have an answer and never claimed to have one. I do know when I hear a solution that I personally don’t think will work. Just my opinion. Some of you guys on here act as if your opinion is gospel and anyone who disagrees is an atheist.

You don’t think having armed staff only known by a few who it is, but made aware to the community won’t deter shooters and save lives?

Here is what I’m getting at: we have no good solution in place right now. This could (and agreed on by a panel) be effective. People’s predisposition on a subject limits their ability to be open to a solution. Those mass shooters wanted attention and power. They want to strike fear and make an impact. The worst thing that could happen to them is someone taking them down before they have a chance to make their name known.

 

[TJ_DUB]

You don’t think having armed staff only known by a few who it is, but made aware to the community won’t deter shooters and save lives?

Here is what I’m getting at: we have no good solution in place right now. This could (and agreed on by a panel) be effective. People’s predisposition on a subject limits their ability to be open to a solution. Those mass shooters wanted attention and power. They want to strike fear and make an impact. The worst thing that could happen to them is someone taking them down before they have a chance to make their name known.

I can see that working, from a police standpoint, if they’re in a community with one school and the force knows who the carriers are. But I have trouble seeing it working in a larger city/town with multiple schools. It may deter someone from going into the school, but if it doesn’t, how will police keep track of who is/are the bad guy(s) and who are the good guys?

I agree if one life is saved it’s a good thing. But if police take one life of one of the good guys then that’s not so good. That’s part of why I have no good answer. I do say, as a former teacher, I don’t want any guns where I’m working. But, I never had a crazed shooter come into my schools. I say ask the people who have experienced it have a big say if they want guns or not.

 

[millerbleach]

“Should” work and “does” work are two different things. So use human subjects in a life or death situation? Hmmm? Someone used to run experiments on human subjects in life or death situations. Who was that?

One thing is CERTAIN. When shooters enter schools, many people die.
One thing Might happen. A cop shoots an armed teacher who just shot a shooter preventing many deaths.

 

[TJ_DUB]

One thing is CERTAIN. When shooters enter schools, many people die.
One thing Might happen. A cop shoots an armed teacher who just shot a shooter preventing many deaths.

Another thing that might happen ... police shoot two teachers with guns and then two students who picked up guns of teachers shot by perpetrator(s). Millions of negative possibilities. Just like a possible good outcome. Tough call.

 

[ForrestGump]

My question is do the advocates of arming teachers think they should secure their room and students in their classroom, and be prepared to confront the bad guy(s) if they try to enter his/her classroom and wait for the proper authorities to give the "all clear".
Or should a teacher secure their classroom and the students, and then leave them in the classroom while he/she seeks out the intruder and confronts them.
There seems to be only 2 choices so which do you recommend?

 

[TJ_DUB]

My question is do the advocates of arming teachers think they should secure their room and students in their classroom, and be prepared to confront the bad guy(s) if they try to enter his/her classroom and wait for the proper authorities to give the "all clear".
Or should a teacher secure their classroom and the students, and then leave them in the classroom while he/she seeks out the intruder and confronts them.
There seems to be only 2 choices so which do you recommend?

Excellent question!

 

[millerbleach]

My question is do the advocates of arming teachers think they should secure their room and students in their classroom, and be prepared to confront the bad guy(s) if they try to enter his/her classroom and wait for the proper authorities to give the "all clear".
Or should a teacher secure their classroom and the students, and then leave them in the classroom while he/she seeks out the intruder and confronts them.
There seems to be only 2 choices so which do you recommend?

Would depend on the assigned responsibility. If they are the one with a gun, they would need to seek out the shooter. If there are many guns, you would need to secure your area and stay put. The more armed teachers/staff the simpler the process.
Again, the likely outcome of arming the staff is the shooter never attempts anything.

 

[TJ_DUB]

Would depend on the assigned responsibility. If they are the one with a gun, they would need to seek out the shooter. If there are many guns, you would need to secure your area and stay put. The more armed teachers/staff the simpler the process.
Again, the likely outcome of arming the staff is the shooter never attempts anything.

How do you determine/know how many shooters there are? What if they are spread throughout the building?

 

[millerbleach]

How do you determine/know how many shooters there are? What if they are spread throughout the building?

Look, it's POSSIBLE isis terrorists could attack. How bout we stick with what normally happens?

 

[TJ_DUB]

Look, it's POSSIBLE isis terrorists could attack. How bout we stick with what normally happens?

I wasn’t trying to trip you up or have a “got’cha moment.”

Sounds echo in hallways of a school building. I just don’t think there’s anything simple about this. My question is/was sincere. If teachers are going to be armed someone will ask this question. You’ve never been in a faculty meeting, have you? Millions of questions are asked.

 

[TJ_DUB]

By the way, Mr. Miller and I agree on something he posted on the football forum. It’s a Christmas miracle!

 

[Duck_walk]

By the way, Mr. Miller and I agree on something he posted on the football forum. It’s a Christmas miracle!

I cant think of one teacher I ever worked with that I would like the idea of them having a gun in the building. We had one principal who was in the Army Reserve that I would have trusted.

 

[TJ_DUB]

I cant think of one teacher I ever worked with that I would like the idea of them having a gun in the building. We had one principal who was in the Army Reserve that I would have trusted.

Same for me with the exception of my principals. None would qualify.

 

[TJ_DUB]

Look, it's POSSIBLE isis terrorists could attack. How bout we stick with what normally happens?

Not going to answer my question, Mr. Miller?

 

[millerbleach]

Not going to answer my question, Mr. Miller?

Still haven't seen a question to answer.

 

[TJ_DUB]

How do you determine/know how many shooters there are? What if they are spread throughout the building?

Mr. Miller, this was my question. You gave me some silly Isis answer.

 

[TJ_DUB]

Look, it's POSSIBLE isis terrorists could attack. How bout we stick with what normally happens?

Here was your “answer” to my question. Funny how, when you don’t have an answer, the question is attacked. POTUS has taught you well.

 

[millerbleach]

Mr. Miller, this was my question. You gave me some silly Isis answer.

I don't know but I don't need to know how to solve a problem that will likely never happen.

 

[TJ_DUB]

I don't know but I don't need to know how to solve a problem that will likely never happen.

I’ll use your answer when you asked me why I don’t want a wall on southern border ... likely never happen.