As one head football coach in the wemo said "kind of weird showing up to an 8 man game with two busses of kids"
Paris go 8 man??
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Cant win in 11 man football? Just drop to 8 man! Win AND get some good naps!
Wellington is listed at 90 students for three classes so basically 120 in the school. Class 1 should be capped at twice the number of the school with the lowest enrollment. So 240 (4 classes) or 180 (3 classes) should be the top enrollment for class one. Right now, percentage wise, there is too much difference between the highest and lowest enrollment in class one. Quite a bit more than any other class.
If they put 48 in Class 1, the number this year would've been 185. Put 48 in Class 6 and keep the others the same. All games would end the same weekend.
Stop thinking logically. MSHSAA does not allow it.
Class 1 is not under the 2.0 factor in any sport. That is only in the other classes.
I understand that other sports don’t use the 2.0 factor for class one. That is because even the smallest schools in the state have basketball teams or have a half dozen kids do track. Football doesn’t have any 11-man football teams with under 100 students in their school.
When you look at pure numbers, facilities, and the fact many schools use going to 8 man as a safety concern then the 2.0 factor needs to be applied to Class 1.
Agree 100%. But you are using real logic, not MSHSAA logic.
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Breaking: Plattsburg voted unanimously this evening to move to eight-man football beginning next year. The Tigers will be eight-man in '23, '24 and '25, with an eye on returning to 11-man in 2026 (THREAD)...
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Breaking: Plattsburg voted unanimously this evening to move to eight-man football beginning next year. The Tigers will be eight-man in '23, '24 and '25, with an eye on returning to 11-man in 2026 (THREAD)...
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Class 1 is the smallest class in all other sports. It is not the smallest class in football. 8-man is the smallest class. Football is different.
Implicityly on Pg 124 of the handbook under classification. Note that Track and Cross country both follow the same NFHS rulebook but are two separate sports.
If 8-man were the smallest class in football, then why do some 11-Man programs have less enrollment than some 8-man programs.
If 8-man were the smallest class in football, then why do some 11-Man programs have less enrollment than some 8-man programs.
You realize there are class 3 schools (Valle) smaller than some Class 1 schools in football? So that argument doesn’t hold up.
And there is nothing on p. 124 of the MSHSAA manual that implies that 8-man football and 11-man are different sports. It just outlines how to assign schools to the classes. Boys and Girls Basketball assign the classes separately, but they are both basketball. It is the same sport just played by different genders. Your argument would be that they are implicitly different sports based on p. 124.
Also p. 122, it explicitly lists football on one line, not two.
Lastly, MSHSAA has separate Track & Field vs. Cross Country manuals because they are different sports. In every instance, MSHSAA has a manual for each sport. And football is how they define the sport. Not 11-man vs. 8-man separately.
But the end result is that there are larger schools than them in a smaller class. It is just a different reason why. But end result is same. 8-man has lower enrollment overall than Class 1.
The main point of this is that Class 1 should have a 2.0 factor. Using other sports as a defense not to do that is weak. Football already has different rules on classification (just read p. 124 again). It is the only sport that has schools with a different number of players for some schools. It should be thought of differently.
MSHSAA's justification for 11 man and 8 man being treated as two separate sports is that they would have to set an enrollment cut off number and force teams below that number to play 8 man. They don't want to do that, although condensing to 5 classes will most certainly force the smallest class 1 schools to drop to 8 man.
Princeton had 3 schools co-op in 11 man this year. That distinction is no longer applicable. Read p. 31 of the manual. For sports that require 8 or more players, you can have 3 schools in a co-op.
Usually it's because they can't compete in 11 man regardless of numbers.
In addition to not being able to compete in 11 man, the team and its fans also enjoy taking a good nap.
The problem is that you may be able to get 30 kids to go out for an 8-man team that has a chance to be competitive, but that same school was struggling to get 20 to go out for 11-man. North Shelby and LeBlond are perfect examples. The kids did not want to play for a team that was getting beat up week after week.
That is reality. You can make every excuse for why it shouldn’t be, but it won’t change. That is why more schools are dropping from 11-man. Also some of you act like 8-man is a disease. It’s just a different kind of football, but it’s still football.
You can complain and say things ought to be this way and that way, but it doesn’t change the way things are. Most likely the cap for 8-man is going up from 150 to 180 and more schools will be 8-man, not less.
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Hopefully they can make the move back to 11-man as planned.
Tarkio had 19 players on the roster if everyone was healthy/eligible in the 2008-09 season.
By the 2010-11 season they were 8-man.
Now they’re in a co-op with Fairfax to become “East Atchison” and combined they only had a roster of 18 players grades 9-12 this year
I am talking about the reality of what 14-17 year olds actually are doing. You are arguing the perception. I am stating the reality. They are two different things.
Starting with 30 players doesn’t mean you’ll end up with 30.
40 plus is idea for 11 man. When schools can consistently field those numbers then they should consider moving back up.
40 plus is idea for 11 man. When schools can consistently field those numbers then they should consider moving back up.
If you have 30 players, but are still under the 150 qualifying criteria, the choice is still yours. I'd say at least some of those schools would like to go back to 11-man, but if your entire league plays 8-man, you might end up traveling the entire state looking for 11-man opponents to play. Making an independent schedule is a lot more tricky than playing the league set. Of course, in north MO, there may be more options and alternatives for both 11 and 8.
Veer, I often agree with you, but not on this. If you've watched as much sports as I think you have, you should know that just because a team has X number of kids on a roster, it usually doesn't have X number of players. Just about every team I've covered the last 50 years had that problem in all sports.
usually if you have 30 you can find 15 to compete at that level.
You may not win every game.
Heck you may not go .500 every year.
But you can compete.
8 man is an easier out.
That said: MSHSAA has created most of this problem by not being proactive. They baby the large classes and let the smaller schools rot for all they care.
Thanks MSHSAA. All you really had to do is reduce the size of class 1. But nah. Those schools with thousands of kids need the break.
