Ozuna is supposedly a Bird
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Seems to add some steam to the idea we would trade away piscotty given ozuna is a corner OF and we’ve talked about playing Dexter in the corner this year.
I like it. We are better today than we were yesterday. I can't say that about our earlier pickups
My guess is with a big increase in power last year he is probably going to get popped for steroids.
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101 is saying 2 of 3 between Alcantara, Hudson, and Flaherty and either Grichuk or Piscotti. Piscotti also rumored to be headed to Oakland.
He was getting more power before that...he seems like a guy who benefitted from them juicing the balls as much as anythingI like it. We are better today than we were yesterday. I can't say that about our earlier pickups
Jon Heyman saying one of them is Alcantara.
Somewhat tough to believe the OF is Piscotty given the continued chatter about him going to Oakland for a prospect.
Somewhat tough to believe the OF is Piscotty given the continued chatter about him going to Oakland for a prospect.
If the Cards really went for Machado or Donaldson...this would be a very good lineup, and a team with a decent chance to put up 90 wins if it signs another good reliever.
Lot of reports now that Mag Sierra is the OF. Another decent ceiling guy. I suspect the other two prospects aren't as exciting given the value of the first two.
Other two guys are a lot lower on the pecking order. A fringey prospect in Gallen from AAA and some pitcher in low A who isn't on any prospect lists anywhere.
Deal seems reasonable. For the Cards, they turned a bunch of change into a dollar bill who is underpaid for the next two years, giving them payroll room to add someone else on top. Marlins got warm bodies with potential who are mostly at least 1 year from being in the majors where they have to actually pay them. They didn't get one of the big 2 SP in Reyes or Weaver, though, and the Cards seem ok with keeping Flaherty over Alcantara, which aligns with the view of most scouts given Alcantara's trouble finding the strike zone.
I'm pretty happy with this, even as someone who thinks Ozuna may not quite be able to repeat 2017 ever again. Have to consider the guy will probably still be underpaid by like $10 M a year due to only being arb eligible.
Add on the knock on effect of the departure of Piscotty for something, plus probably Grichuk, and the net effect could look pretty good.
Deal seems reasonable. For the Cards, they turned a bunch of change into a dollar bill who is underpaid for the next two years, giving them payroll room to add someone else on top. Marlins got warm bodies with potential who are mostly at least 1 year from being in the majors where they have to actually pay them. They didn't get one of the big 2 SP in Reyes or Weaver, though, and the Cards seem ok with keeping Flaherty over Alcantara, which aligns with the view of most scouts given Alcantara's trouble finding the strike zone.
I'm pretty happy with this, even as someone who thinks Ozuna may not quite be able to repeat 2017 ever again. Have to consider the guy will probably still be underpaid by like $10 M a year due to only being arb eligible.
Add on the knock on effect of the departure of Piscotty for something, plus probably Grichuk, and the net effect could look pretty good.
In order to improve the team they are going to have to give up something that hurts. Either money or prospects. I like this move a lot and hope they go get a closer next.
Shows how far backwards this team has fallen. Even with moves they have made they are a long way from being good. I think they still need a starter, closer, and another bat. Go Birds keep getting better.
If Ozuna can give the Birds a .300 average with 30 bombs, 100 ribbies and above average D. Heck this is the best deal Mo has made! But, big but... Fowler is no Stanton and Pham is comparable to Yelich. Ozuna, in my opinion is an impact player for the Cards but he hit over .300 with a bunch of bombs with two other pretty good hitters with him. The Redbirds better take advantage of people possibly pitching around this guy. We haven't had anyone the last few years that teams would pitch around. I like Fowler hitting more for power and it's crazy to think but I'd hit him 4th behind Ozuna if we don't get another impact bat! I for one, would be after a stud closer, mid to top of the line starter then another bat. Optimistically thinking, I really like this move and am way more excited to see this line up swing some timber! Plus Jose is back!! Go Ballpark Village Cardinals!!
Sierra could be fun but he could also be Pete Kozma. And he’s pretty clearly not ready yet.
Starter is tough. Difficult to see them wanting a major long term payroll commitment there unless they are planning to trade someone like weaver. A shorter term guy like the player from Japan probably made more sense given Reyes and Weaver are here and other guys like Flaherty are close.
Mo seems to wait a closer. I agree with you - they need more.
It would be nice to see someone good added to the infield as a keystone. If only the Marlins had a good SS or 3B to dump.
I hope the guy that's been in Japan turns out to be really good, but there is a reason he's been in Japan and not MLB.
Who else do you get is in this market the problem. it seems like it is easier to get good hitters and relievers.
This is one I don't really get. I know Lance is going to get more money. That's pitching. But aside from the injury year he's been very consistent. Over 30 starts. Double digit wins. Every year. His numbers last year were pretty much in line with his career even though the team wasn't as good. He's not a number 1 guy but who are they going to get that's much better for similar money? They're obviously planning on young guys filling in. But what's going to happen when Waino goes down again? Now they have 2 spots to fill with young guys. And who's to say those young guys are ready for 20 starts or more? And to be honest I'm not sold on CMart being a number 1 guy either. He seems like too much of a flake to be mentally tough enough. I'm not nearly as comfortable with the pitching staff as Mo appears to be. Of course that could all be an act and they're working on more help. But I still don't see anyone more consistent than Lance has been.
I suspect it is something like this. They'd rather pay ~$8 a year to Mikolas for 2 years and roll with Weaver, Wacha, Reyes, Waino, other minor leaguers, and Martinez than $15 a year to Lance for 3-4. They want the flexibility and the ability to spend the marginal dollars in the bullpen and/or on a trade for a better position player.
His numbers were worse - his K rate was down and his HR rate was about double. They also didn't get better over the season in a way that makes you think he was still recovering.
Lynn has pretty strong potential to be overpaid in this dreadful SP market.
I'd rather spend 15 M a year as budget in a trade for a position player who makes the team another ~3 wins better.
To be fair, he was also coming off Tommy John and it's rare anyone has their best stuff the first year back.
He had it in Nov 2015, not early 2016. He really should have been back by the second half of 2017.
His velocity was back in full.
Even beyond the K/BB/HR peripherals say Lynn was very lucky to post as low of an ERA as he did - under 1/4th of the balls hit in play against him resulted in hits. His career figure is about 30%. that's a sign he was pretty darn lucky - balls that will fall in in other years bounced the right way for him. He also stranded more men on base than he ever did (which tends to be a measure of luck).
Lynn is also likely to be disproportionately hurt by the juiced ball of the last couple years - he is a flyball pitcher.
A stat-heavy front office like the Cardinals is likely to be a bit leery of a guy like Lance.
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that wouldn't explain anywhere near that magnitude of change, plus there's no evidence from other Cardinals pitchers that something like this happened. As a team, about 30% of the balls put in play against us resulted in hits. Lynn was really lucky, and there's ample evidence that this is generally not sustainable.
This is the sort of things the stat heavy teams are looking at when evaluating him.
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