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OU , kU* and ISU tried to join b1g in 2010.

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The Big 12 is always in danger of falling apart, by far the most unstable of the five major conferences in college athletics. Just about every major realignment rumor has, in some way or another, involved the Big 12 or Big 12 schools. Many of those rumors have turned out to be true. Over the past five years the conference has lost Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri and Texas A&M while gaining TCU and West Virginia.

Currently with ten members, Oklahoma president David Boren set realignment tongues wagging this summer when he publicly endorsed expanding. All sorts of articles followed, including this one at Outkick, analyzing the potential targets for the Big 12 and suggesting the conference should go to 14 members.

Many also wondered -- was this Oklahoma's president publicly creating space for the Sooners to leave the Big 12 in the future?

Well, earlier today came interesting news that hadn't been public before. According to an Omaha, Nebraska newspaper article which you can read in its entirety here, five Big 12 schools explored joining the Big Ten in 2010, a move that would have taken the Big 10 from 11 to 16 schools and created a Big 10 west division comprising Oklahoma, Nebraska, Texas A&M, Kansas and Iowa State from the Big 12 alongside Wisconsin, Iowa, and Minnesota from the Big Ten.

According to the article:

"A Big 12 athletic director, who spoke to The World-Herald on condition of anonymity, said he contacted Big Ten athletic directors and presidents with whom he was familiar in June 2010.

The topic: Was the Big Ten, which had 11 members at the time, interested in adding five Big 12 schools?

The feedback from Big Ten school officials was positive, both sources said. The sticking point was devising a revenue-sharing plan to satisfy all. It would have taken at least three to four years for that many incoming schools to hit the financial payoffs sought for moving."

Nebraska, of course, wound up joining the Big Ten to take the conference to 12 members. Texas A&M would become the SEC's 13th member and Missouri, a school that also flirted with the Big Ten, but wasn't evidently included in the group of five that sought to leave together, would become the SEC's 14th. The Big Ten also added Rutgers and Maryland to get to 14.

In a sign of how falsely pious universities can be when their rivals move up to a better conference and they get left behind, Kansas, a school secretly attempting to join the Big Ten, ended its rivalry with Missouri when the Tigers joined the SEC. Kansas's rationale? Mizzou's lack of commitment to the Big 12. Yep, it's conference realignment hypocrisy of the highest order.

Even with Nebraska and Texas A&M departed to new conferences that still leaves three of the existing Big 12's existing ten schools that attempted to join the Big Ten in a package deal -- Oklahoma, Kansas, and Iowa State.

So could Oklahoma and Kansas still be in play as a 15th and 16th Big Ten members?

The Omaha-Herald thinks so.

The article ends with an interesting final sentence:

"If the predictions come true that the clock is ticking on the Big 12 sticking together, remember what we previously reported from two sources at Nebraska the Big Ten has done its "homework'' to evaluate Oklahoma and Kansas as potential members."

If Oklahoma and Kansas left that would leave the Big 12 with Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, Iowa State, Kansas State, West Virginia and Oklahoma State.

In that scenario you have to think either Texas would go independent or it would join the Pac 12. (I'm assuming that Texas A&M would block Texas to the SEC.) Of course, it's also possible Texas would stay and try and dominate an even weaker Big 12. They are, after all, Texas. But if Texas joined the Pac 12 would the Pac 12 take Texas and one other school or Texas and three other schools? Who knows? And I don't even know which schools the Pac 12 would take if it only took one more. (You have to figure the Pac 12 would take two schools to get to 14 at a minimum).

In a conference network era, Texas would be enough to get the Pac 12 carried in the state of Texas. So would you add Kansas State, Iowa State and Oklahoma State to add those three additional states to your network? It makes the most sense financially, but would the Pac 12 presidents really add those additional schools given that they aren't academic heavyweights? I have my doubts.

I think it's more likely that Texas would join the Pac 12 along with one other Big 12 school.

Which means the other six Big 12 schools would be left drifting without a major conference home. Rather than die, I think it's likely the Big 12's existing television contracts would remain intact and the Big 12 would grab four more schools and attempt to survive as a vastly weakened ten team league. It sounds insane, until you realize that's exactly what happened the last time the conference lost four major schools. (I don't believe ESPN or Fox would stop paying the Big 12's television rights fee because they could be sued for helping to encourage the existing Big 12 schools to change conferences. Why would the schools be leaving for the Pac 12 and the Big Ten? For more TV money. Where does that money come from? ESPN and Fox's deals with the two conferences. It's no surprise that no conference has ever lost its television package over the loss of members. Now what would happen when the TV contracts ran out? The conference might well die).

Buckle up, this could get fascinating. And while everyone has been focusing on Texas as the school that controls the future of the Big 12, have we been overlooking Oklahoma? It sure seems like it.
 
If Nebraska was only a half member, what would Iowa state have been?

Mizzou wasn't having none of that jr. member talk and it's paying off. Literally.
If Nebraska was only a half member, what would Iowa state have been?
Better than kU*?

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Oh, the backstabbing by big 12 members when mizzou was leaving was jealousy, no question.
 
Oh, the backstabbing by big 12 members when mizzou was leaving was jealousy, no question.

I'm shocked...SHOCKED that none of the folks bashing Mizzou for tearing the conference apart haven't stepped up and acknowledged they were wrong.

kU* looks even more pathetic than normal. Wow.
 
This would seem to blow the supposed OU/Okie Light and kU/KState bonds out of the water. We've always heard where boomer goes so goes Boone and the Cowboys, heard the same about kU and the Wildcats. The two b1g candidates were going to join without their state rivals that were supposedly joined at the hip.

Now that Kansas is the worst FBS team in the nation, K State would have been a better choice for the big ten.

The big get (tv sets) would have been aTm, followed by OU. This is all so devious, that it makes a Mizzou fan appreciate being in a real conference!
 
This would seem to blow the supposed OU/Okie Light and kU/KState bonds out of the water. We've always heard where boomer goes so goes Boone and the Cowboys, heard the same about kU and the Wildcats. The two b1g candidates were going to join without their state rivals that were supposedly joined at the hip.

Now that Kansas is the worst FBS team in the nation, K State would have been a better choice for the big ten.

The big get (tv sets) would have been aTm, followed by OU. This is all so devious, that it makes a Mizzou fan appreciate being in a real conference!

What I love is the deafening silence about this from fans of those schools that bashed Mizzou for 'tearing the conference apart.

Only the most desperate took the 1/2 member deal. Mizzou wouldn't and they're in the best conference in college sports now.
 
Yes he did. Even went as far as saying his source told him they were going to the B1G. Spent a few days giddy as a school girl about it until it didn't happen. Then the SEC picked up MU. Then proceeded to bash the B1G.

Pretty typical Veer moment.

Mizzou had a b1g offer just like nubs..half members. Said No Thanks.

Remember when you said I was for welfare? The things you can make up in your mind....
 
Mizzou had a b1g offer just like nubs..half members. Said No Thanks.

Remember when you said I was for welfare? The things you can make up in your mind....

Yes, yes I did believe you were for welfare. I was wrong.


And you said MU was going to the B1G. Gloated about it. And you were wrong. Other members have backed me up on this before. You were giddy about MU going to the B1G to bail on OU and Texas. Then you turn around and bashed the the conference when MU ended up in the SEC.
 
Are you truly asking why the SEC is better than the big 12?

Yeah cause that's what the convo is talking about!!!! But please inform us as to your point!!! Yes MU gets a little more tv money what else is better for them? If they stayed in the BIG XII and continued their winning ways not sure how much of a difference there would be in money.
 
It was the Big 10 that said NO to Mizzou.

Sorry sooner but there was a jr member offer extended to Mizzou and they turned it down. I remember having discussions at practice with a couple of our board visitors and they said Mizzou was going to b1g and I said no its sec and they both laughed (florida fans).

Think about the revenue Mizzou brings...High academics, decent sports, etc.
Does it make sense for the b1g NOT to want Mizzou?

That said ..I'm ecstatic the way things turned out. Revenues are only going to go up and better competition makes you better.
 
Sorry sooner but there was a jr member offer extended to Mizzou and they turned it down. I remember having discussions at practice with a couple of our board visitors and they said Mizzou was going to b1g and I said no its sec and they both laughed (florida fans).

Think about the revenue Mizzou brings...High academics, decent sports, etc.
Does it make sense for the b1g NOT to want Mizzou?

That said ..I'm ecstatic the way things turned out. Revenues are only going to go up and better competition makes you better.



Just asking Veer, don't go all KU BS because it's me. Did MU not have good competition before? I don't get this claim you make about finally playing better competition so they will get better. How many Championships did OU, Nebraska, Texas win or atleast play in while MU Was a member? Were they along with OSU and KState and OkState not good competition? Can you seriously believe that?
 
Yeah cause that's what the convo is talking about!!!! But please inform us as to your point!!! Yes MU gets a little more tv money what else is better for them? If they stayed in the BIG XII and continued their winning ways not sure how much of a difference there would be in money.
Money and stability mostly. Access to more fertile recruiting grounds. Mizzou will end up making a lot more money with the SEC network when the full amount of money arrives and they can renegotiate the cbs TV deal. Also, and this is extremely important, they are no longer dictates to by Texas. Texas could blow up the big 12 at any time. The SEC is just a much better conference overall compared to the big 12.
 
Just asking Veer, don't go all KU BS because it's me. Did MU not have good competition before? I don't get this claim you make about finally playing better competition so they will get better. How many Championships did OU, Nebraska, Texas win or atleast play in while MU Was a member? Were they along with OSU and KState and OkState not good competition? Can you seriously believe that?

Mizzou has better comp on a week to week basis now and its not close.

Okie state had their best team in years and lost to Mizzou last year. OSU was way down.


Texas is WAAAY down. They got smoked by who in bowl game? Oh ya 31-7 by 6-6 (2-6) arky.

OU isn't the OU of old. I think they'll rebound a bit but Clemson may have taken some air out of that balloon (unless their woman beater is that good). Their losses last year looked bad. Lost three of their last 5 and 5 of last 7. I think Stoops lost control after Snyder outcoached him in that game

Kstate is the best coached team in the midwest but their talent won't come close to SEC talent. Auburn went into mancrappin and beat them. Auburn..8-5, 4-4 in the SEC...they lost to A&M who wasn't that good. Granted they did take wiscy to OT haha

Nebraska ? Lolz. Back in the day when there were unlimited schollys and prop 48 they were a beast. Osborne got out for a reason. They can't recruit to bugaha and it's showing. Their new coach has never won more than 7 games in a season...let that sink in.

All I know is Mizzou is in a much better place on all levels.
 
Thid Jr membership excuse did not come along until later after Nebraskas deal was made public. Truth is they did not want you.
 
Money and stability mostly. Access to more fertile recruiting grounds. Mizzou will end up making a lot more money with the SEC network when the full amount of money arrives and they can renegotiate the cbs TV deal. Also, and this is extremely important, they are no longer dictates to by Texas. Texas could blow up the big 12 at any time. The SEC is just a much better conference overall compared to the big 12.


Could BAMA not do the same? Let's face it TEXAS is the money maker in all of college, yes ohio state and Michigan have a higher revenue in football but as far as the total entity Texas is king. Hell they want to be their own country, TEXAS...I'm not sure academically which is better, overall sports haven't looked it up but can't believe besides Arkys ridiculous track record there is much of a difference. I think your entire argument is based solely on Football tv monies. Interested to see what the next few years brings up for both conferences but to think OU, Texas, Baylor, TCU are out of the picture for Football National Titles compared to the SEC is ludicrous..
 
Thid Jr membership excuse did not come along until later after Nebraskas deal was made public. Truth is they did not want you.

We disagree.

One of us knows someone in the AD at Mizzou that was there. I get that haters don't want to admit it but Mizzou was a steal for the SEC. College sports is driven by TV money at this point in time and Missouri brings it better than the other alternatives. Next SEC expansion will be into NC and VA. What a footprint.
 
Mizzou has better comp on a week to week basis now and its not close.

Okie state had their best team in years and lost to Mizzou last year. OSU was way down.


Texas is WAAAY down. They got smoked by who in bowl game? Oh ya 31-7 by 6-6 (2-6) arky.

OU isn't the OU of old. I think they'll rebound a bit but Clemson may have taken some air out of that balloon (unless their woman beater is that good). Their losses last year looked bad. Lost three of their last 5 and 5 of last 7. I think Stoops lost control after Snyder outcoached him in that game

Kstate is the best coached team in the midwest but their talent won't come close to SEC talent. Auburn went into mancrappin and beat them. Auburn..8-5, 4-4 in the SEC...they lost to A&M who wasn't that good. Granted they did take wiscy to OT haha

Nebraska ? Lolz. Back in the day when there were unlimited schollys and prop 48 they were a beast. Osborne got out for a reason. They can't recruit to bugaha and it's showing. Their new coach has never
 
So Clemson took something out of OUs sail so did OU take something out of BAMAs sail the year before? And I totally agree Nebraska isn't the Nebraska of old nor is Texas etc but you said playing better teams would make MU better. MU played them when they were the best and The BIG XII was considered the best conference so why didn't it help MU then?
 
Could BAMA not do the same? Let's face it TEXAS is the money maker in all of college, yes ohio state and Michigan have a higher revenue in football but as far as the total entity Texas is king. Hell they want to be their own country, TEXAS...I'm not sure academically which is better, overall sports haven't looked it up but can't believe besides Arkys ridiculous track record there is much of a difference. I think your entire argument is based solely on Football tv monies. Interested to see what the next few years brings up for both conferences but to think OU, Texas, Baylor, TCU are out of the picture for Football National Titles compared to the SEC is ludicrous..

A) Bama will never leave the sec. Never.

B) Bama could leave and the SEC would survive.

My argument is based on stability and money. Both of which the SEC provides more of, which is the entire point of a conference.
 
So Clemson took something out of OUs sail so did OU take something out of BAMAs sail the year before? And I totally agree Nebraska isn't the Nebraska of old nor is Texas etc but you said playing better teams would make MU better. MU played them when they were the best and The BIG XII was considered the best conference so why didn't it help MU then?

Mizzou has a system they've developed that's produced studs out of two stars. When you don't change coaches at the drop of a hat this can happen.

Go back and watch OU the last half of the season.

That OU bama game is your biggest win for a while isn't it?
 
We disagree.

One of us knows someone in the AD at Mizzou that was there. I get that haters don't want to admit it but Mizzou was a steal for the SEC. College sports is driven by TV money at this point in time and Missouri brings it better than the other alternatives. Next SEC expansion will be into NC and VA. What a footprint.

P.S. the kU*admin must have thought there was something to Mizzou leaving..she was begging them to stay. kU* and the rest of the big bevo are just like jilted lovers watching their ex move on to a supermodel. Cry more.

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Kansas chancellor Bernadette Gray-Little urged her Nebraska counterpart Monday to remain in the Big 12 and help avoid a potential calamity for the Jayhawks.

In an interview with The Associated Press, Gray-Little said she got no indication of what Harvey Perlman might recommend when he meets with Nebraska regents on Friday. She said she also planned to call Missouri chancellor Brady J. Deaton with the same message.

In a rapidly developing story that's strained institutional relationships more than 100 years old, Nebraska and Missouri have both said they are interested in moving to the Big Ten. If they leave, that might prompt six other Big 12 members, including Texas and Oklahoma, to consider a possible linkup with the Pac-10. The death of the Big 12 could put Kansas, Kansas State and Iowa State in danger of being left out of any major conference.

Kansas State and Kansas, even with its historically prominent basketball program, would have difficulty maintaining their status as major players in college athletics.

"There are some universities that survive and thrive without a large athletic program," said Gray-Little. "I hope we don't have to test that out."

Not being in a BCS school could hurt Kansas in several ways.

"Obviously, that would be a serious disappointment to our community, whether you're talking about students or alumni or other supporters of athletics," said Gray-Little. "Athletics are important to a university. Athletics helps develop friendships and allegiances to the university."

Gray-Little was in Europe last week when Big 12 officials failed to resolve the difficulties facing the league. She said she has been fully briefed by Kansas officials who represented her at the meetings, and was aware of reports that Missouri and Nebraska have been given until Friday to declare their intentions.

"If those things happen by Friday, we should know next week where we stand with regard to the conference and who's going to be in and who's not," she said. "I'm sure that for [Perlman] and for others, the conversation will involve a great number of issues. I did not get an indication from him on which way things were going to go."

Kansas and Nebraska have been members of the same conference for decades. Kansas and Missouri have a spirited, colorful football rivalry that began in 1891 and is the second-longest in the country. Their game has been played every year since 1919.

Gray-Little said she made sure that Perlman knew where she stood.

"I have not finished my conversations for the day. I intend if not today in the next two days to talk to the presidents and chancellors of other institutions as well," she said.

Led by athletic director Lew Perkins, Kansas is working to put together alternative plans in case the Big 12 does dissolve.

"We want the Big 12 to continue," Gray-Little said. "But because any one or more of these things could happen, part of our discussion also is what would be the next plan for us. I don't have any specifics to give you at this point, but that has to be part of our thinking. If the efforts to keep the Big 12 in fact do not work out, what alternatives will there be for us or K-State and the other universities that might not be part of some new organization?"

Kansas and Kansas State, fierce rivals for decades, have vowed to work together.

"That's been our commitment and our plan, to the extent that it's possible, that we would work together, that we would intend to be in the same conference and have the opportunity to play one another and continue a great tradition of rivalry."
 
Cry more? WTH does that mean. You are the one that brings KU up in every single post who crys? You mean more to it than like a 100 year rivalry? Im glad you posted that though. Kinda proves the point MU wanted to go to the BIG and the BIG didnt want them...Regardless why do you twist every post. The question was about better competition. Misery got smoked by National Champions in the BIG XII just like in the SEC. Why werent they better then? And you take who you want but I like Baylor TCU KState and OU over Vandy Kentucky Tennessee who are the dogs MU plays. You guys act like you play BAMA Auburn and LSU. Remember what side your on..
 
Cry more? WTH does that mean. You are the one that brings KU up in every single post who crys? You mean more to it than like a 100 year rivalry? Im glad you posted that though. Kinda proves the point MU wanted to go to the BIG and the BIG didnt want them...Regardless why do you twist every post. The question was about better competition. Misery got smoked by National Champions in the BIG XII just like in the SEC. Why werent they better then? And you take who you want but I like Baylor TCU KState and OU over Vandy Kentucky Tennessee who are the dogs MU plays. You guys act like you play BAMA Auburn and LSU. Remember what side your on..

MU was interested sure. They just weren't gonna take the chump change like kU* will if b1g asks.

Schedule strength-
2014- 10
2013 - 24
2012- 1

Dogs indeed.
 
Whatever... Remembering that period, as a Tiger fan (rube, vagrant, etc.) I didn't want MU to leave the B12 for the b1g. Losing the draw for Texas high school kids (see, for example, Neb) would hurt Mizzou's recruiting. The SEC move was scary, but going with A&M helped Mizzou recruiting Texas, and with Pinkel locking the Missouri borders (and picking up kansas and Illinois blue chippers along the way) it turned out pretty well.

Peat, the competition in the big 12 wasn't better. That is a ludicrous statement.

The conference did put the screws to Mizzou numerous times on bowl selections the last years of their membership. The "beat downs" by the big 12 national champions weren't always on the up and up either. Nebraska and Colorado both skulked out of Columbia with "wins" that weren't on their way to NC's..

It was the right move at the right time.
 
If the Big 10 had offered Mizzou at a full share...no way they would have turned that down. The $$$ and stability would have been too good for them to say no at a time when they didn't have an SEC offer in hand.
 
Whatever... Remembering that period, as a Tiger fan (rube, vagrant, etc.) I didn't want MU to leave the B12 for the b1g. Losing the draw for Texas high school kids (see, for example, Neb) would hurt Mizzou's recruiting. The SEC move was scary, but going with A&M helped Mizzou recruiting Texas, and with Pinkel locking the Missouri borders (and picking up kansas and Illinois blue chippers along the way) it turned out pretty well.

Peat, the competition in the big 12 wasn't better. That is a ludicrous statement.

The conference did put the screws to Mizzou numerous times on bowl selections the last years of their membership. The "beat downs" by the big 12 national champions weren't always on the up and up either. Nebraska and Colorado both skulked out of Columbia with "wins" that weren't on their way to NC's..

It was the right move at the right time.


The BIG XII wasn't better? How many championships did Nebraska win? OU? His statement was better comp makes you better. Agreed but why was MU irrelevant for so many years? The BIGXII was considered for a long time as one of if not the best Football conference. OU Texas KState Nebraska one if not more were always in the convo to be national champs yet MU couldn't even win the conference. Couldn't even win the north till the nubs left.
 
The BIG XII wasn't better? How many championships did Nebraska win? OU? His statement was better comp makes you better. Agreed but why was MU irrelevant for so many years? The BIGXII was considered for a long time as one of if not the best Football conference. OU Texas KState Nebraska one if not more were always in the convo to be national champs yet MU couldn't even win the conference. Couldn't even win the north till the nubs left.

Mizzou won the north with the nubs there. Why are you always wrong?
 
Exactly, they won the North then got slapped. They didn't win their conference!!!!!! So you are proffesing as long as Misery wins their titty side of their conference regardless how bad the teams are playing on that side that they are better even if they get beat in The conference Championship. Absolutely they have been playing well the last few seasons but they lost to Indiana for peats sake and can't beat BAMA LSU nor Auburn. So to you beating 3 turds OOC and Kentucky Vandy Tennessee that they are better then ever? Sorry I don't get it. And to mouth TCU when was the last time MU had a 1 loss season?
 
Exactly, they won the North then got slapped. They didn't win their conference!!!!!! So you are proffesing as long as Misery wins their titty side of their conference regardless how bad the teams are playing on that side that they are better even if they get beat in The conference Championship. Absolutely they have been playing well the last few seasons but they lost to Indiana for peats sake and can't beat BAMA LSU nor Auburn. So to you beating 3 turds OOC and Kentucky Vandy Tennessee that they are better then ever? Sorry I don't get it. And to mouth TCU when was the last time MU had a 1 loss season?


Come on peat. Just admit you were wrong. Here's what you said "Couldn't even win the north till the nubs left." Are you ignorant of reality? Mizzou would have beaten LSU the last two years IMO.

You used TCU as some great program. The reality is they dominated a crap conference..struggled joining the big 12 and had a good season in the worst p5 conference. Beating Ole Miss isn't some medal. Arky beat them by 30 for heaven's sake. Yeah..Arky that Mizzou beat.
 
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