Offensive line coach must go

[Nwalls]

Blitz pickup most basic concept for offensive line. Mizzou off line
absolutely clueless on how to do it. Got to get a line coach that
knows what they are doing this is beyond brutal.

 

[O line wins games]

Blitz pickup most basic concept for offensive line. Mizzou off line
absolutely clueless on how to do it. Got to get a line coach that
knows what they are doing this is beyond brutal.

You mean A.J. Ricker? The 3 time All-Big 12 center? Ya I'm sure he has no understanding of how to pick up a blitz, or how to teach it. It's not like he was the one setting protections based on blitz and backers or anything.

If it was that easy to pick up a blitz, no one would blitz.

A freshman QB = big time blitz because the defense knows that he will get antsy in the pocket and you don't have to have perfect coverage, especially the below average receiving corps, and very has pass:run ratio..

 

[Nwalls]

Well it must be lack of lineman ability they are worst Mizzou line in
recent memory. Not sure if Locke has division 1 material or not
has no mobility have to wait when he gets better receivers and
SEC type offensive lineman.

 

[O line wins games]

Well it must be lack of lineman ability they are worst Mizzou line in
recent memory. Not sure if Locke has division 1 material or not
has no mobility have to wait when he gets better receivers and
SEC type offensive lineman.

He's SEC potential, just thrown in too early (not necessarily by choice) and a couple years ago, Mizzou had two mediocre recruiting classes.. We are seeing the results of that now. They will be fine, just not this year..

 

[TheBigShiz]

It shocks me how bad this line is. They're almost all seniors and it looks like we're playing all freshmen. Lock is going to be the real deal if he has time to throw and has some weapons on offense. How long has Ricker been the O-line coach?

 

[oldroundballer]

The O Line is just brutal. I've never seen such ineptitude at Mizzou. And to think these guys are upperclassmen. I have to assume there's no one better on the bench and that's extremely concerning for the next couple years. Lock has no chance to even look for anywhere to throw the ball before he has to bail. And he's not nearly as good as Maty was at getting away and making something happen. I think the kid could throw the ball if he ever had confidence in the protection. Sadly I'm not sure he'll ever see any in his 4 years, if he lasts that long without getting seriously hurt.

 

[TheBigShiz]

Yeah not knowing what is on the bench at O Line is pretty scary to think about.

 

[Rock Hard Corn Frog]

It shocks me how bad this line is. They're almost all seniors and it looks like we're playing all freshmen. Lock is going to be the real deal if he has time to throw and has some weapons on offense. How long has Ricker been the O-line coach?

In fairness I think the line is probably better than the WRs. Lock is going to be a good player but he does not look like a good fit for that offense.

 

[O line wins games]

It shocks me how bad this line is. They're almost all seniors and it looks like we're playing all freshmen. Lock is going to be the real deal if he has time to throw and has some weapons on offense. How long has Ricker been the O-line coach?

Ricker was named the O Line coach July 2014, was Illinois O Line coach the year before, and western michigan's the two previous years. Prior to that he was the head coach at St. Joseph's for a year. He's a good coach and going to keep getting better, but he needs to go out and personally recruit an OLineman or two. Boehm has been a stud since he was a freshman and has 49 straight starts on the OL but even he is not playing well (he's been hurt)..

 

[BlizzardX]

I guess the Miss St Oline coach should go to. QB's and RB's are in the protection schemes too. RB's block and QB's have to get rid of it. Missouri sent 5 several times against a 6 man pro, and hit a homerun.

The biggest problem with the Missouri offense is they don't hang there hat enough on being a physically dominant team. It's chuck and duck, dump and screen. All very vogue and cute but easier to defend when you can't throw it. Last night I was delighted that Tigers tried to run, and did so when Miss St was loading up to stop it. This was obviously helped by the return of a healthier Hans. who can stretch one way and cut downhill. However, running the ball from 1 back set IMO is not SEC football. Hans is a great back, but he's mini mouse.

Pinklel's philosophy of no FB or TE is the big picture problem. It always has been and always will be. I'm not saying change the whole darn offense to two backs ( although you see Missouri trying this more now than in past years) but at least throw that TE in there once in a while. In Missouri's two back set, pistol and split they are miserable. The common theme is no TE and no really phyical H back or F.
Missouri has some great HS football players out there that can play this position.

Good SEC defenses must chuckle at MU's hope we can bleed you out with chuck and duck, squirty run plays with the QB that really can't run the ball unless he's scrambling. Thus, a non-option reading QB, that really couldn't run the ball if he kept it, in a spread offense, with mediocre receivers with no real attempt to line up and smash you with TE. I can't believe they ever get a first down let alone win 4 games. The whole offense is FUBAR this year. I sure hope we get the players again to run the spread how Pinkel want's to be run. I am a big fan of his. He is a great coach. If anybody can make the offense go he's our guy.
I'm happy with defense. They get sacks, create turnovers, rely on speed. They are great at defending teams that mirror other offenses that they see everyday in practice. But the defense that can win an SEC title has to be helped by the offense and has to withstand the LSU's and Alabama's of the world. So far, no matter how good the MU's defense has been, they've fallen short against Auburn and Alabama. Alabama who ran over us, and threw it over our head, and Auburn who did both but had no defense either.

 

[TheBigShiz]

What bothers me is this offense had some pretty good success a couple years ago Franklin's senior year. We were able to run the ball and our line actually got a push. We had a ton of playmakers on the outside. I'm afraid they're going to struggle the next couple of years unless these receivers and O Line really improve. The receivers are young and i'll give em that but someone has to step up and make some plays. Why does Tyler Hunt not get more touches? That kid makes big plays all the time

 

[TheBigShiz]

In fairness I think the line is probably better than the WRs. Lock is going to be a good player but he does not look like a good fit for that offense.

It's the same type of offense he ran in high school.

 

[BlizzardX]

Yes

It's the same type of offense he ran in high school.

Agreed. It is Lee's Summit in the SEC. A one man show pulling the trigger. He doesn't have the bullets he needs. Remember when people feared our tall ball snatching rec. corp? That must be the plan. If Lockett develops and becomes second coming of running threat I'll be the first one to admit I thought Johnny Manziel would be a good pro quarterback. I'm not seeing that he is ever going to be able take that kind of pounding. He's a big kid though. Missouri seems to want 5 kids that burn you deep, awe you with clever patterns and if they have to run the ball. it'll be to water bug that you couldn't kill with a shotgun.

 

[Rock Hard Corn Frog]

It's the same type of offense he ran in high school.

He was good enough to run any offense in high school. Lock would best fit in a pro-style offense where he isn't called on to run a lot. He isn't a statue but he is not a scrambler either. Missouri's offense as run now goes nowhere without a QB that can run at least 8-10 times a game. Mauk was a better fit though I think Franklin was the best Missouri has had since Daniel. Gabbert was talented but out of place as well.

 

[BlizzardX]

He was good enough to run any offense in high school. Lock would best fit in a pro-style offense where he isn't called on to run a lot. He isn't a statue but he is not a scrambler either. Missouri's offense as run now goes nowhere without a QB that can run at least 8-10 times a game. Mauk was a better fit though I think Franklin was the best Missouri has had since Daniel. Gabbert was talented but out of place as well.

I agree. In the pro-style offense. You want a Q that is 6'4", has a cannon for an arm. That runs a zone read once in a while. Surrounded by a F, TE, and banger at TB, with at least one go to WR. Missouri has none of these in the program except Lockett. The lineman must be frustrated that they can't just beat the hell out somebody once in while. I've never thought the offensive line at MU was the problem. They have too many guys that play well in the NFL. Boehm will be a good pro-center, the problem this year is trying to do what you used to do when you had the supporting cast, except this year, you don't. I'm glad they were competitive last night. How they were is truly a coaching marvel.

 

[TheBigShiz]

But they didn't call on Daniel to run a lot and look what he did. A better line and wr's and lock will be just fine in this offense i think.

 

[shoot90draw]

He was good enough to run any offense in high school. Lock would best fit in a pro-style offense where he isn't called on to run a lot. He isn't a statue but he is not a scrambler either. Missouri's offense as run now goes nowhere without a QB that can run at least 8-10 times a game. Mauk was a better fit though I think Franklin was the best Missouri has had since Daniel. Gabbert was talented but out of place as well.

You forgot to mention Brad Smith!!! He has a terrific QB for the run and gun offense!

 

[BlizzardX]

But they didn't call on Daniel to run a lot and look what he did. A better line and wr's and lock will be just fine in this offense i think.

I agree to the degree that Pinkel will return. His philosophy has a ceiling or perhaps his recruiting has a cieling and he is doing the best he can with what he has. I'm not offensive genious or I wouldn't be on a message board. However, look at Ohio St. They had a Q that could run with power, a RB that mowed you over. A physical philosophy with a go to threat. I'd start there. I know there's only a handful of teams that still try to do this. Ala, Ohio St, LSU, all with a recruiting base far better than MU's. MU has to be more clever, and it has served them well. Can't we at least be Baylor like or even more TCU and Oklahoma St? That's what we were when were good. Can that win the SEC. I don't think so. It can't win the Big 10 either. It can give us hope in a miracle. I'm OK with that. Oregon 2014 couldn't do it either. Go Mizzou.

 

[TheBigShiz]

It's all going to start with the OL. If you have a good OL you can do a lot of good things. With the OL we have now it wouldn't matter if we had Peyton Manning, Barry Sanders and Calvin Johnson on our team. We just don't have the playmakers that we've had in recent years.

 

[O line wins games]

It's all going to start with the OL. If you have a good OL you can do a lot of good things. With the OL we have now it wouldn't matter if we had Peyton Manning, Barry Sanders and Calvin Johnson on our team. We just don't have the playmakers that we've had in recent years.

You give me Peyton, Barry, CJ, and throw in Jason Witten, and I guarantee I will score points in that offense.

As far as the TE, Pinkel played TE and would love to use one, albeit not in the conventional way a lot of the time, but it's evident based on the past few year. The TE has typically been the best intermediate pass catching option, and a mismatch maker, and then a decent enough blocker to get the edge and then get up to second level. That was the biggest thing missing in Mizzou's weak recruiting classes... Can you name a TE on Mizzou's roster? I can't, but it's not because they don't want one.

I do agree that they need to get in more 2back sets though, then again, I would run 2 TE 3 Back and run the ball until it's time for that one play action pass play

 

[hangmanbobbyjaggers]

You forget That Dorial Green-Beckham should be out there as well this year. That would have at least made the defense play honest.

 

[NikeFootball59]

I really wish Mizzou would get back to old-school power football. Our OL has been moved around so much that they don't know any of the calls for their positions, and they're having to digest a lot of info in a short amount of time. In football, especially in college, the difference between guard and tackle (in terms of scheme and fundamentals) is huge. Shuffling them around hasn't helped anything, it's only made it worse. These guys really need chemistry, and they need some confidence back.

With that said, it really bothers me that they don't have any sort of mean streak at all anymore. If you watch the tape of 2013 or 2014, those offensive linemen fired off of the ball, drove their guy back till the whistle, then told them about it after the play. I miss that. These guys come off the ball standing straight up with their back shaped like Noah's Arc (terrible fundamentals if you're wondering), they just try to get in front of people, and worst of all, they aren't hitting anyone. They're waiting for the defense to come to them. As an OL/DL coach, that sickens me. It's a good thing we've got such a good defense, or else we'd probably be a finesse team.

I think they've got the right ideas, though. Sort of. Pinkel has been using a lot of H-Backs (FB/TE hybrids) , having Clayton Echard (6'6 260 I'm pretty sure) leading through the hole and walling off backside pursuit. Ish Witter quit running scared, and what can I say about Evan Boehm toughing out an ankle injury? Now GIVE HUNT THE DAMN BALL

 

[Missouri Kid]

What bothers me is this offense had some pretty good success a couple years ago Franklin's senior year. We were able to run the ball and our line actually got a push. We had a ton of playmakers on the outside. I'm afraid they're going to struggle the next couple of years unless these receivers and O Line really improve. The receivers are young and i'll give em that but someone has to step up and make some plays. Why does Tyler Hunt not get more touches? That kid makes big plays all the time

Tyler has been playing hurt. Only playing because its his senior year and didn't want to take a medical redshirt. Only repeating what I have been told, no first hand knowledge.