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Should be competing against? Should teams competing against each other have the same rules in regards to attendance?

The AD at Blue Springs several years ago pointed to his football championship ring and said that "it wouldn't mean s**t without beating Rockhurst". Thinking back, I agree with him.
 
The AD at Blue Springs several years ago pointed to his football championship ring and said that "it wouldn't mean s**t without beating Rockhurst". Thinking back, I agree with him.
One man's opinion. What isn't opinion is the fact the rules aren't the same.
 
At this point, after 55 years of a zero number in the state championship game appearance(s) column, I'd take ANYTHING, ANY WAY I could get it at good ole Glendale. If that meant we didn't beat the best team due to them playing in a private school tourney, so be it. Blue Springs has the type of athletic program where they can have the luxury of caring about how they bring home the brass ring, while most of us just want it however we can get it.
 
At this point, after 55 years of a zero number in the state championship game appearance(s) column, I'd take ANYTHING, ANY WAY I could get it at good ole Glendale. If that meant we didn't beat the best team due to them playing in a private school tourney, so be it. Blue Springs has the type of athletic program where they can have the luxury of caring about how they bring home the brass ring, while most of us just want it however we can get it.

It appears a few very good lady basketball players are changing teams in 2018.

Jaidah Stewart 5'9" Senior has moved out of the Webster Groves school district into Kirkwood school district. Kirkwood is the defending class 5 lady state champions. Jaidah averaged 18.9 PPG @ Webster as a junior. Kirkwood defeated Webster 59-50 last season. Jaidah scored 29 points in the Kirkwood win.

Sikeston has very good lady basketball from Malden high school enrolling. Sikeston could be a strong class 4 team in girls basketball in 2018 if the Malden star is eligible.

It is being reported on semo.com that Poplar Bluff was working on enrolling a player from East P. Poplar Bluff could be the only high school in Missouri to have their entire starting five move in after their freshmen school year. I know the Poplar Bluff worker who works on move in talent however I have not talked with him for a while.

Class 4 Cape Central can't get a quality transfer and this puzzling.
 
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I thought he meant just for state championships. Not that they couldn't schedule or play each other.
I understand that. The problem is that the smaller schools are really small and you could probably only have 2 classes. The span between the smallest and largest in a single class would be huge for the smaller class. It doesn't make sense for the small private schools outside of KC and St. Louis.
 
I understand that. The problem is that the smaller schools are really small and you could probably only have 2 classes. The span between the smallest and largest in a single class would be huge for the smaller class. It doesn't make sense for the small private schools outside of KC and St. Louis.
I don't think the folks calling for the change care too much what it does to privates.
 
I don't think the folks calling for the change care too much what it does to privates.
Or just make the multiplier 2x or 3x :) Because they are getting to sift through applicants...then the bigger schools still get to play the big privates that they like to do, and the smaller schools don't get to recruit class 3 and 4 talent and stay low. Again, I have no problem with the schools playing each other, but the rules are different, so it's a different championship IMO. It also opens the private schools up to not worry about trying to skirt rules...they can just openly do what they do. Oh well, I am done beating the dead horse. Nothing going to change.
 
Who cares!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let kids play wherever they want to!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Schools that have jerk/super-ego/nut-job coaches who run kids off, they'll be punished when their teams lose and then those coaches will lose their jobs once the rival school across town wins big with the other schools players!!!!!

If you want to make in coaching today, who've got to kiss ass!!!!!

If you can't do that, then DON'T GET INTO K-12 coaching. THE END! Try coaching at the collegiate level where you can get away with being a tin-pot dictator.

You think a HS coach who makes between 4 and $9000 a year for coaching should be ready to Kiss A$$???? Outta your mind.
 
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You think a HS coach who makes between 4 and $9000 a year for coaching should be ready to Kiss A$$???? Outta your mind.

No, No...but there's no need to run kids off just because you want to play dictator with a bunch of 16-18 year old kids. Those days are OVER. They never should've been allowed to happen in the first place. If a coach has a particular kind of mind set, I wouldn't recommend coaching K-12 anymore. People like that need to start and stay at the college level. Maybe in small towns you can get away with certain behaviors, but even that kind of stuff is quickly disappearing. You've got to be able to deal with all kinds of people these days without just blowing people off or creating unnecessary conflict.
 
It isn't impossible. One must find a nice balance, which can be achieved if one works hard enough to get there.
 
Gee, no wonder so many kids/parents are upset a lot of the time, if this is the kind of inflexibility they run up against all the time.
 
It appears a few very good lady basketball players are changing teams in 2018.

Jaidah Stewart 5'9" Senior has moved out of the Webster Groves school district into Kirkwood school district. Kirkwood is the defending class 5 lady state champions. Jaidah averaged 18.9 PPG @ Webster as a junior. Kirkwood defeated Webster 59-50 last season. Jaidah scored 29 points in the Kirkwood win.

Sikeston has very good lady basketball from Malden high school enrolling. Sikeston could be a strong class 4 team in girls basketball in 2018 if the Malden star is eligible.

It is being reported on semo.com that Poplar Bluff was working on enrolling a player from East P. Poplar Bluff could be the only high school in Missouri to have their entire starting five move in after their freshmen school year. I know the Poplar Bluff worker who works on move in talent however I have not talked with him for a while.

Class 4 Cape Central can't get a quality transfer and this puzzling.
I assume you're talking about Binford from Malden going to Sikeston? Hadn't heard that yet but I'm sure it could be a possibility.
 
It is being reported on semo.com that Poplar Bluff was working on enrolling a player from East P. Poplar Bluff could be the only high school in Missouri to have their entire starting five move in after their freshmen school year. I know the Poplar Bluff worker who works on move in talent however I have not talked with him for a while.

Class 4 Cape Central can't get a quality transfer and this puzzling.


First of all, Leech played his freshman season at PB, so he didn't "move in after his freshman year".

Secondly, if the younger Hardimon starts, he was there last year as an 8th grader.

Thirdly, I'm not sure how you know just who will start for PB this coming season.

This is the actual statement you are alluding to from semoball, so you are embellishing things a bit, no?

".....do people not realize that half of Bluff's starters aren't from Bluff? Not to mention they tried to go after the East Prairie guard over the summer. Point the fingers where they need to be pointed."
 
First of all, Leech played his freshman season at PB, so he didn't "move in after his freshman year".

Secondly, if the younger Hardimon starts, he was there last year as an 8th grader.

Thirdly, I'm not sure how you know just who will start for PB this coming season.

This is the actual statement you are alluding to from semoball, so you are embellishing things a bit, no?

".....do people not realize that half of Bluff's starters aren't from Bluff? Not to mention they tried to go after the East Prairie guard over the summer. Point the fingers where they need to be pointed."

Aurelius, it should be noted both Hardimons attended grade school and junior high school @ South Pemiscot before moving to Poplar Bluff. The older Hardimond played his freshman year on the varsity team @ South Pemiscot. Most basketball fans in SEMO knew of the basketball potential of the Hardimons during their 5th grade year.
I don't see any thing wrong with the Hardimonds moving to Poplar Bluff since their mother resigned her South Pemiscot teaching position and signed a teaching position @ Poplar Bluff. I believe South Pemiscot has a higher pay scale for teachers then Poplar Bluff therefore she did not move for more money. Aurelius, could you check out the pay scale for teachers in Polar Bluff and South Pemiscot?

Leech's mother gave up guardianship for Marcedus to Don Webb who lives in Poplar Bluff and a friend of mine. Nothing wrong here by Don Webb and Marcedus's mother. The opportunities are greater for Marcedus in Poplar Bluff then any of the grade schools he attended before Polar Bluff.

The unsuccessful move in and 2-3 starter from E. P. did not work out but it would have been a good decision if he transferred.

I have class 4 Sikeston and class 5 Poplar Bluff as co-favorites for the top team in Southeast Missouri.

Aurelius, do you know Brain Bess the next men basketball coach @ 3Rivers Junior College?
 
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Here is the issue with splitting up public/private schools. Nothing binds the private schools to MSHSAA. It is in the bylaws that they have to give a certain amount of notice to withdraw. The private schools could start their own association. If you think transfers is bad now, what would it be like with the new private school association that doesn't have transfer rules?
 
Aurelius, it should be noted both Hardimons attended grade school and junior high school @ South Pemiscot before moving to Poplar Bluff. The older Hardimond played his freshman year on the varsity team @ South Pemiscot. Most basketball fans in SEMO knew of the basketball potential of the Hardimons during their 5th grade year.
I don't see any thing wrong with the Hardimonds moving to Poplar Bluff since their mother resigned her South Pemiscot teaching position and signed a teaching position @ Poplar Bluff. I believe South Pemiscot has a higher pay scale for teachers then Poplar Bluff therefore she did not move for more money. Aurelius, could you check out the pay scale for teachers in Polar Bluff and South Pemiscot?

Leech's mother gave up guardianship for Marcedus to Don Webb who lives in Poplar Bluff and a friend of mine. Nothing wrong here by Don Webb and Marcedus's mother. The opportunities are greater for Marcedus in Poplar Bluff then any of the grade schools he attended before Polar Bluff.

The unsuccessful move in and 2-3 starter from E. P. did not work out but it would have been a good decision if he transferred.

I have class 4 Sikeston and class 5 Poplar Bluff as co-favorites for the top team in Southeast Missouri.

Aurelius, do you know Brain Bess the next men basketball coach @ 3Rivers Junior College?

I can't speak for how Leech or Hardimons ended up in Bluff. I had heard the same thing about trying to get an East Prairie player and I know that a couple years ago there was "recruiting" of at least two young Sikeston players.
 
Nobody is telling them they can't move. Just that they can't play varsity athletics for a yr if its for athletic reasons. Decisions have consequences sometimes.

I understand where you are coming from but,
my dad got a new job when I was in high school and we moved 150 miles to another town in Missouri 2 weeks before baseball season started. I didn't want to move and athletics never entered my dads head. I should have had to sit a year?

Now, most of the sketchy moves are to schools near where the athlete was at. I'd favor a 25 mile or so rule. If a kid transfers to a school with in a 25 or 30 mile radius of their home school, even if their family physically moves, they have to sit varsity for a year.
 
Aurelius, it should be noted both Hardimons attended grade school and junior high school @ South Pemiscot before moving to Poplar Bluff. The older Hardimond played his freshman year on the varsity team @ South Pemiscot. Most basketball fans in SEMO knew of the basketball potential of the Hardimons during their 5th grade year.
I don't see any thing wrong with the Hardimonds moving to Poplar Bluff since their mother resigned her South Pemiscot teaching position and signed a teaching position @ Poplar Bluff. I believe South Pemiscot has a higher pay scale for teachers then Poplar Bluff therefore she did not move for more money. Aurelius, could you check out the pay scale for teachers in Polar Bluff and South Pemiscot?

Leech's mother gave up guardianship for Marcedus to Don Webb who lives in Poplar Bluff and a friend of mine. Nothing wrong here by Don Webb and Marcedus's mother. The opportunities are greater for Marcedus in Poplar Bluff then any of the grade schools he attended before Polar Bluff.

The unsuccessful move in and 2-3 starter from E. P. did not work out but it would have been a good decision if he transferred.

I have class 4 Sikeston and class 5 Poplar Bluff as co-favorites for the top team in Southeast Missouri.

Aurelius, do you know Brain Bess the next men basketball coach @ 3Rivers Junior College?
Last I heard the Hardimon's moved because dad lost his job and mom got a job in P.B. But I'm not up on things around nearly as much as you Metro, I have no idea who the starting 5 will be for P.B. :rolleyes:
 
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I understand where you are coming from but,
my dad got a new job when I was in high school and we moved 150 miles to another town in Missouri 2 weeks before baseball season started. I didn't want to move and athletics never entered my dads head. I should have had to sit a year?
Not at all. Not sure why you'd think that. Dad's new job explains everything, if the school you left checked the box.
 
Here is the issue with splitting up public/private schools. Nothing binds the private schools to MSHSAA. It is in the bylaws that they have to give a certain amount of notice to withdraw. The private schools could start their own association. If you think transfers is bad now, what would it be like with the new private school association that doesn't have transfer rules?

Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner.

But be careful what you wish for, a public-private split would likely have significant unintended consequences.

The privates will split off, form their own association and the end result will be catastrophic for athletics at public schools.

First, the private school rules regarding transfers in would likely be written in a way that would encourage kids to transfer to private schools, for obvious reasons.

MSHSAA will likely punish kids who leave, then chose to re-enter public schools due to pressure in areas that aren’t battling this fight as those schools will cry foul when star player leaves a private school in STL for a public school. The end result will be once kids leave private for public, few will return.

Second, the private schools have significant resources and could do all sorts of things to become attractive destinations for public schools kids that would be very difficult to compete with.

The end result?

Countless more privates will crop up or expand the nature of their current operations and athletes will eventually flee the public schools leaving a mediocre and watered down product behind. It’s worth pointing out that large area’s of the state are not impacted by private schools in any meaningful way at all until the state playoffs.

A public-private split would ensure that changes.
 
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