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Monett Versus Seneca

Curious, in your opinion, who is the best team the big 8 ever produced?
I'm not opening that can of worms. I was to young in the 70s to even pay attention, and I know there were some good teams in that time that I never saw play. Wouldn't mind seeing some posts about who had the best team from each decade on here from the Big 8??
 
I'm not opening that can of worms. I was to young in the 70s to even pay attention, and I know there were some good teams in that time that I never saw play. Wouldn't mind seeing some posts about who had the best team from each decade on here from the Big 8??

I have some film from at least one of those teams, maybe the other, that was burned to a CD for me. The style of football they played back then was way different...hard to compare with today.
 
I was at the Aurora Bolivar game, Aurora was leading most of the game and in comand when Bolivar called some trick play, and it went for a TD. That changed the game. To be honest me and a buddy were getting ready to leave because Aurora was so in control of that game. I think Aurora had beaten an undefeated Nixa team in districts. That Nixa team had pounded Bolivar earlier in the season.

I also thought Bolivar lost to Ozark the next year because they had one loss?


Yep. The Redford special was the trick play in the Aurora game. They practiced it often. Regardless, it was a talented and resilient team. It still perplexes me that they started off so badly in 92. I have no doubts they would have beaten Nixa if they played again in the playoffs.

Yes, in 93 Bolivar barely lost a heartbreaker at Ozark which they had never beaten before. This was when Ozark was really good. This was the one loss of the regular season.
 
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No doubt the Big 8 is probably the hardest predominately class 3 conference in the state with such a level playing field for the top 4-5 teams. I'm going to go out on a limb though and say that Big 8 football in the 2000's was a better brand than the 2010's (Excluding Lamar). A lot of the success in the past few years has come from where they are located on the state playoff bracket. With the way Districts are set up a Big 8 Team is pretty much guaranteed a quarterfinal appearance because they play other Big 8 teams the majority of the playoff run. So someone in the Big 8 is probably going to get to hang some semi or quarterfinal banner up every year under this system, but as I've stated before when you finally run into a legit team and get beat by 40, I personally don't think much of those banners. The MV teams the past two years are an example of this. The 2016 Monett Team had and good team and got the job done in the championship, but I will argue all day long that the 08 Cubs would handle them with not much struggle. I agree in that year that the two best Class 3 teams didn't meet in the state championship. Those 08, 09 Cassville teams were pretty tough. As you stated the conference has had at least a semi-finalist from 2012-18 and will likely have another this year, but that is more a result of a how the playoff system is setup than quality of football.

No way does 08 Monett team handle the 16 team without a struggle. The 08 team had a better defense but the 16 offense was WAY better than 08 offense, mainly because of the passing game. Would be a very interesting game and would probably come down to how 16 offensive line handled the pass rush of 08 team.

And I have a little insight, had a son that was a senior on each of those teams.
 
No way does 08 Monett team handle the 16 team without a struggle. The 08 team had a better defense but the 16 offense was WAY better than 08 offense, mainly because of the passing game. Would be a very interesting game and would probably come down to how 16 offensive line handled the pass rush of 08 team.

And I have a little insight, had a son that was a senior on each of those teams.


I would agree with you on the 08 team defense being better. But the 16 team only had 1 passing threat, and that was the tight end. They had no consistent deep threat. Their best offensive threat was their running back, and he was a work horse. The 08 team just had too much athleticism for the later team to handle.
 
Calpreps Prediction: [2016] Monett (MO) 27, [2008] Monett (MO) 20

Now that we've settled that ....

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I would agree with you on the 08 team defense being better. But the 16 team only had 1 passing threat, and that was the tight end. They had no consistent deep threat. Their best offensive threat was their running back, and he was a work horse. The 08 team just had too much athleticism for the later team to handle.

I don't know if I would say that. They gave up 28 points to cAssville 21 of those in the second half when weather conditions should have favored them. cAssville just shoved the ball down their throats and said stop us if you can....and well they couldn't.
 
I don't know about the 08 vs 16 Cubs, but I've always said that if Monett or Cassville had to go to Chilli.........they lose. Those long road trips in the semi's def. favors the home team. Cassville got to host because of being the 2nd team out of districts. Monett would have had to travel. I think Chilli probably wins that game honestly. It's really hard to compare years. I think the 08 defense would have had a really hard time stopping Branch. The 08 team was more athletic and had more speed. It would be pretty close I think honestly.
 
08 Monett was good. Very 1 dimensional on O. D was legit, but couldnt handle getting hit in the mouth by Cassville.. or the cold and rain... either way, couldnt handle it.

16 Monett was very good. Had a 2000 yard rusher and the QB threw for over 1500 (cant remember exactly how much). The offensive line was real big and real physical! Their defense held Maryville (that was avg 49.9 a game) to 18 pts in the championship.

Give me the 2016 club
 
08 Monett was good. Very 1 dimensional on O. D was legit, but couldnt handle getting hit in the mouth by Cassville.. or the cold and rain... either way, couldnt handle it.

16 Monett was very good. Had a 2000 yard rusher and the QB threw for over 1500 (cant remember exactly how much). The offensive line was real big and real physical! Their defense held Maryville (that was avg 49.9 a game) to 18 pts in the championship.

Give me the 2016 club

Would that be the same defense that gave up 30 pts, in a district game, to an anemic Mt. Vernon team, that lost 5 times?
 
Would that be the same defense that gave up 30 pts, in a district game, to an anemic Mt. Vernon team, that lost 5 times?
28 pts,

You do have a good argument with that one. MV had a stud QB and solid group of WR. Monett 2 starting Corners where put out of the game in the first half of the game. One with an ankle injury and the other with a head injury. MV scored on a couple deep balls late in the game. They had a good O, not anemic.

Branch ran for over 300 that game too.
 
I would agree with you on the 08 team defense being better. But the 16 team only had 1 passing threat, and that was the tight end. They had no consistent deep threat. Their best offensive threat was their running back, and he was a work horse. The 08 team just had too much athleticism for the later team to handle.

I'm 100% positive you didn't see more games than I did of both teams and/or more game film. Also, we have had this discussion before at my house. It would have been a VERY interesting game.

16 team had a WR that was one of the fastest kids in the area (according to track) and 3 other fast WR/flex that caught a lot of balls. Also threw quite a few to Branch (running back). Alex was an outstanding TE but I'm not sure he even led the team in receiving. That was a very diverse offense that went anywhere from Power I to option to 5 wide. Branch ran for 37 TD and 2,700 yards I think. QB threw for 2,100 yards & 24 TD and ran for 18 TD.

08 was extremely one dimensional offensively, especially after they lost their starting QB for the season about midway through. Even prior to that they didn't pass much and it was pretty much a 1 back show for the running game. That being said, they were very athletic and tough and again, I think the game comes down to how well the 16 Oline handles pass rush from 08 Dline.
 
28 pts,

You do have a good argument with that one. MV had a stud QB and solid group of WR. Monett 2 starting Corners where put out of the game in the first half of the game. One with an ankle injury and the other with a head injury. MV scored on a couple deep balls late in the game. They had a good O, not anemic.

Branch ran for over 300 that game too.

Mt.Vernon also scored on a KO return in that game.
 
08 Monett was good. Very 1 dimensional on O. D was legit, but couldnt handle getting hit in the mouth by Cassville.. or the cold and rain... either way, couldnt handle it.

16 Monett was very good. Had a 2000 yard rusher and the QB threw for over 1500 (cant remember exactly how much). The offensive line was real big and real physical! Their defense held Maryville (that was avg 49.9 a game) to 18 pts in the championship.

Give me the 2016 club

If I remember correctly, Branch ran for 2,700 yards and 37 TD. Don't remember how many receiving yards or TDs he had. QB threw for 2,100 yards, 24 TD, 5 INT and ran for 18 TD..
 
At full strength they would have been very hard to beat. They sustained 4 or 5 major injuries around week 4 or 5, but were still able make a run. Like I said, the injury bug bit them hard. Notice, I said class 3, not class 2. Cassville may have had the best team in the Big 8 last year, but losing 6 or 7 starters before the District championship game ruined it for them.

I don't remember that Aurora team having that many injuries in 2015.
 
The 16 team had a great back in Branch, but they were versatile. Could line up and play power football or spread you out. If you loaded up for Branch you got burnt.
 
I'm 100% positive you didn't see more games than I did of both teams and/or more game film. Also, we have had this discussion before at my house. It would have been a VERY interesting game.

16 team had a WR that was one of the fastest kids in the area (according to track) and 3 other fast WR/flex that caught a lot of balls. Also threw quite a few to Branch (running back). Alex was an outstanding TE but I'm not sure he even led the team in receiving. That was a very diverse offense that went anywhere from Power I to option to 5 wide. Branch ran for 37 TD and 2,700 yards I think. QB threw for 2,100 yards & 24 TD and ran for 18 TD.

08 was extremely one dimensional offensively, especially after they lost their starting QB for the season about midway through. Even prior to that they didn't pass much and it was pretty much a 1 back show for the running game. That being said, they were very athletic and tough and again, I think the game comes down to how well the 16 Oline handles pass rush from 08 Dline.

I forgot how big their numbers were! Crazy offensive production.

16 OLine would be able to handle 08 DL. Honestly, I dont think it is that close of a game. I say 35-14ish. I remember that D. Not real big, very fast and would hit you. 16 OL would take over after a while because they welcomed the physicalness and the size would win out.
 
08 Monett was good. Very 1 dimensional on O. D was legit, but couldnt handle getting hit in the mouth by Cassville.. or the cold and rain... either way, couldnt handle it.

16 Monett was very good. Had a 2000 yard rusher and the QB threw for over 1500 (cant remember exactly how much). The offensive line was real big and real physical! Their defense held Maryville (that was avg 49.9 a game) to 18 pts in the championship.

Give me the 2016 club

Lets not forget that Maryville's starting QB went down in the first quarter of this game. Numbers can be deceiving. Monett's front 7 in 16 was tough. Im not saying the 08 team would beat them every time, but I believe more often than not.
 
Lets not forget that Maryville's starting QB went down in the first quarter of this game. Numbers can be deceiving. Monett's front 7 in 16 was tough. Im not saying the 08 team would beat them every time, but I believe more often than not.

Maryville played at 100%, QB was definitely playing the whole game. Threw 3 ints.

Owensville lost their QB in the Qtr final game.
 
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I’m biased because I was in school for the 08 team! Like Bullit once told me, 08 had their shot didn’t get it done and 16 did
 
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Lets not forget that Maryville's starting QB went down in the first quarter of this game. Numbers can be deceiving. Monett's front 7 in 16 was tough. Im not saying the 08 team would beat them every time, but I believe more often than not.
It was the quarterfinal game AT Monett where the other teams qb went down in the first quarter
 
I'm 100% positive you didn't see more games than I did of both teams and/or more game film. Also, we have had this discussion before at my house. It would have been a VERY interesting game.

16 team had a WR that was one of the fastest kids in the area (according to track) and 3 other fast WR/flex that caught a lot of balls. Also threw quite a few to Branch (running back). Alex was an outstanding TE but I'm not sure he even led the team in receiving. That was a very diverse offense that went anywhere from Power I to option to 5 wide. Branch ran for 37 TD and 2,700 yards I think. QB threw for 2,100 yards & 24 TD and ran for 18 TD.

08 was extremely one dimensional offensively, especially after they lost their starting QB for the season about midway through. Even prior to that they didn't pass much and it was pretty much a 1 back show for the running game. That being said, they were very athletic and tough and again, I think the game comes down to how well the 16 Oline handles pass rush from 08 Dline.

I am sure that you did see more games than I did. If I have to choose, I am always going to go with the better defense. They (08) had the guys that could handle Branch. I do remember the one fast receiver you mentioned, but he dropped a lot of balls, and the QB had a nice arm, but lacked accuracy on long throws. I would be happy with 16 team trying to win games via the pass. That is why I would take the earlier team. JMO
 
I am sure that you did see more games than I did. If I have to choose, I am always going to go with the better defense. They (08) had the guys that could handle Branch. I do remember the one fast receiver you mentioned, but he dropped a lot of balls, and the QB had a nice arm, but lacked accuracy on long throws. I would be happy with 16 team trying to win games via the pass. That is why I would take the earlier team. JMO
16 team made the run they did because of the play of their QB
 
08 team had a ton of talent and speed, and don't forget those players won a state title in Wrestling, they were hard nosed. But players are just part of what makes a team.

What would the 08 team have done had they had the 16 coaching staff?
 
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