Yes, that's what I gather, is that you are implying that Lamar's athletes, being non-recruits from a public school, work harder than recruited, private school student-athletes. Is that not what you are saying? Seeking clarification. Yawn.
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I don't know if they do or not, but just going by the results on the field, if you go out and put together an all star team with as many D-1 Athletes as Trinity and LN has, and you still cannot beat a rural small town of hard working boys, then I would say it is pretty clear somebody is not putting in the work or effort....
Lamar's players have just as many scholarship offers and kids being recruited as private schools do. It appears that their success on the field has translated into success at the next level. To be fair, Lamar plays other public schools all year and none of them have won for 3-4 years. If it were simply about lack of work and effort, then it's safe to say that no one has matched Lamar's for at least 7 years.
I think that's a credit to the hard working rural small town boys more than a discredit to the lazy urban big city boys. Don't you?
There are distinct differences in the culture of these programs, and that is why there is a perceived difference in the level of talent in each.
The perennial champion does so with a true team culture that has been proven year after year. Players and coaches don't talk about "offers" or even any kind of stats or individual accolades for that matter during the season. IT's always on to the next week, 7 more days of football. The skill players are smart enough to know that when they score untouched or barely touched it has as much or more to do with the scheme and ability of their teammates as it does their own ability. Every player has their job, from the multi-year starter to the scout team human tackling and blocking dummies, and everyone does everything they can to perform at a high level. Everything they do is done in a modest and humble way and they almost always give credit where it is due, and put others before themselves. The style of play is basic, very physical, super effective, and rooted in "old school" football philosophy with a few modern tweaks each year to match the personnel.
The "more talented" teams clearly have great athletes and lots of individuals worthy of the accolades they receive. You hear more about their accomplishments because they are quick to tell you about anything positive they have done. They have trendy on field celebrations and love to emulate the style of play they see on Saturdays and Sundays. They put as much or more effort in their pre-game chants and displays as they actually do warming up and getting ready to play. There is a palpable level of arrogance or swagger in their communications and actions both on and off the field. Their style is much less physical and much more speed and agility dependent.
Both of these cultures can be viewed as successful. I applaud the STL coaches if they are indeed getting their kids these "offers" and they result in a kid getting a shot at the next level and financial help for a college education. My hunch is that even though they make it sound like they are saving kids from the streets, a large part of these kids are from good homes, and are going to be successful regardless of what high school they play for. Still, I admire their efforts to get these kids looked at, and the work they do promoting them.
There is absolutely no doubt about which one I want my sons playing for......
The perennial champion does so with a true team culture that has been proven year after year. Players and coaches don't talk about "offers" or even any kind of stats or individual accolades for that matter during the season. IT's always on to the next week, 7 more days of football. The skill players are smart enough to know that when they score untouched or barely touched it has as much or more to do with the scheme and ability of their teammates as it does their own ability. Every player has their job, from the multi-year starter to the scout team human tackling and blocking dummies, and everyone does everything they can to perform at a high level. Everything they do is done in a modest and humble way and they almost always give credit where it is due, and put others before themselves. The style of play is basic, very physical, super effective, and rooted in "old school" football philosophy with a few modern tweaks each year to match the personnel.
The "more talented" teams clearly have great athletes and lots of individuals worthy of the accolades they receive. You hear more about their accomplishments because they are quick to tell you about anything positive they have done. They have trendy on field celebrations and love to emulate the style of play they see on Saturdays and Sundays. They put as much or more effort in their pre-game chants and displays as they actually do warming up and getting ready to play. There is a palpable level of arrogance or swagger in their communications and actions both on and off the field. Their style is much less physical and much more speed and agility dependent.
Both of these cultures can be viewed as successful. I applaud the STL coaches if they are indeed getting their kids these "offers" and they result in a kid getting a shot at the next level and financial help for a college education. My hunch is that even though they make it sound like they are saving kids from the streets, a large part of these kids are from good homes, and are going to be successful regardless of what high school they play for. Still, I admire their efforts to get these kids looked at, and the work they do promoting them.
There is absolutely no doubt about which one I want my sons playing for......
Well I can only talk about Monett, but I would have loved to seen that much talent going to Monett.....
You bring up an very interesting point. We had a coach in the 70's who believed so strongly in team that no stats were kept. Yes many kids went on and played in College, but if you asked to see who lead the team in tackles they did not have them. He believed it was a team effort. So not a lot of records from those days, just two state titles.
Before HUDL and Internet highlights, the only way kids got recruited was by colleges having local relationships with coaches, feedback from trusted media members and from kids visiting college camps. It's extraordinarily rare for schools to find and offer players from small schools away from major cities in 2017, which is what makes Lamar's ability to place their kids on college teams via scholarships so impressive, In college recruiting, there's usually such a thing as being TOO humble. In a state not nationally recognized as a football hotbed, it's such a rarity that I admit I've fixated on Lamar more than I expected I would. Whatever they're doing down there is unique. I'd love to follow their kids to see how successful they've been at the next level. Their team is so well insulated that even fans here online won't share inside info. I wouldn't want to break with tradition either (since it works), so I totally get why.
LoL I've been on the 'inside' and am not sure what info you think we're hiding!!! I'm pretty sure any question you might have can be answered. Come down and take a look for yourself at how we do things.
My motto has always been 'Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard'
I have followed this program through this entire run. There is a two hour local radio program every Friday during the season where 20-30 area coaches get interviewed on their thoughts for the previous and upcoming games. I have never heard Coach Bailey mention individual (or team for that matter) statistics one single time. It is always what the team or he needs to do better and sometimes (though rarely) what they did well. Most coaches can rattle off how many yards or tackles their top kids had. There are two sideline stat keepers at Lamar games, and I am pretty sure Coach doesn't even consult them for anything during the season. I have heard media people have to contact the stat keepers directly for info for their stories. Coach just doesn't worry about stats, he worries about football and what needs to happen to get the win. Stats do play a role in postseason honors, which Lamar players get in tremendous frequency.
Ever wonder why the vast majority of Lamar games are around 50-7? He doesn't care what the score is as long as they have a healthy lead and he gets the young guys in. Most opponents this year left their starters in against second and third string personnel groups for Lamar, I guess to somehow save face. Coach leaves the group in, especially defensive groups, to see how they hold up to the pressure. In my mind those are priceless reps to those young kids and work wonders for building a program. So what if the other team scores once or twice? And there is no need to win by more than 30 or so, so rest the starters and let them help coach the young guys. Brilliant!!
I think it was 2013 when Lamar was on the verge of breaking the national single season scoring record. They had a potent offense that year, and the defense then wasn't as lock down as it has been the last few years, so you saw higher scores. I was at that state championship game, and they could have easily broken the record. It just wasn't a priority. Kinda like stats. It's only the media and armchair experts like us who care about them.
BINGO.....this is Lamar and Coach Bailey's philosophy in a nut shell!! There's nothing were hiding!!
There is a good balance to strike and it seems that whatever Lamar is doing is working for them. Funny thing is it might not work for others? You just never know about teenagers.
Those that dont like scott or thad choose not to play. Had several good athletes i graduated with not play because they didnt like coach bailey. Those that do play do it his way and will run through a brick wall for him because he would do the same for the team. With scott its either all in every day or get out. He always gives 100% and expects the same from everybody else. While all this has built a great program as a football only athlete only having maybe 6 weeks off a year from that drive burned me out by the time i hung up my cleats after the maryville game
You are not alone in feeling like that!! There have been a number of guys that have said that same thing. Yes, it's a great feeling to win, but you have no idea what these boys go thru unless you've been thru it. It's quite intense and you are to give nothing less than 110%. It's not always pretty, nor is it easy.
At the home games the skill players come out and warm up first,when the line players come out , the skill players stop and come cheer them out onto the field! The players are held accountable in the Brotherhood also ! A few years ago I think 3 starters were cut from the team during the playoffs for team violations !!
That was last year; they played Trinity down three starters due to suspension from the team.
Actually 6 players (two starters, C and DT) were cut for disciplinary reasons just prior to the state semifinal. In an unrelated incident, another player that was a promising sophomore was cut the next day. Earlier in that year a freshman was cut for disciplinary actions at the parent's request. Neither of the last two played this year but the 2 underclassmen of the initial six were back this year and started.
Coach's team policy is more stringent than the school district's. 2 kids were cut this year, so they must be learning. A few years ago the team mantra was "Building Better Men". Couldn't be more true.
