KU offers half of Trinity's Team
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Now THAT would be a good fit
they were competitive against the sooners? Got nothin to lose cause they cant be much worse
Youth football! (Same as coach Patterson
)Your point is well taken, though. As a rule I don’t typically criticize coaches; I just don’t particularly like the whole Trinity situation (as fully admitted to by Patterson in the STL media):
A youth football coach taking his hand-picked STL area youth football team to whatever private school was willing to pay him the most (“There was no recruiting; these boys were going to go wherever I went no matter what”)
I have to agree! The whole recruiting thing was irritating!!! Then to have Crusader denying it and defending it til we played them, then not one word after it. In fact I'm wondering if he unjoined here.Youth football! (Same as coach Patterson
Your point is well taken, though. As a rule I don’t typically criticize coaches; I just don’t particularly like the whole Trinity situation (as fully admitted to by Patterson in the STL media):
A youth football coach taking his hand-picked STL area youth football team to whatever private school was willing to pay him the most (“There was no recruiting; these boys were going to go wherever I went no matter what”)
There seems to be a lot of negative feelings about Trinity. If Lamar has won 7 consecutive championships, why does anyone care about a school that has won none? It's not like Trinity players getting scholarship offers means they're taking them from Lamar's players.
Colleges shouldn't be able to give offers till after kids senior season. That way the kids have to put in work and not have everything handed to them.
And BTW, for the record: I do not begrudge ANY of these kids getting their offers; I hope they make the most of them...
I do, however, feel like CERTIAN coaches are using these kids to further their own careers (and I don’t mean in the most basic sense of a coach using the talent he has to win...)
I do, however, feel like CERTIAN coaches are using these kids to further their own careers (and I don’t mean in the most basic sense of a coach using the talent he has to win...)
I've been reading the posts over the last few weeks to catch up on Missouri HS football, and it definitely looks like there's a lot of hostility toward two of the smallest schools in the state. A lot of the comments were pretty personal and nasty. Especially considering they're kids. Even THIS thread has brought out meanness from screenshots of those coaches' twitter accounts. No one other than Lamar has even won State in 7 years, so I'm really trying to understand why their fans here would be upset.
Do you feel that the two schools' scholarship offers for their players is their coaches taking advantage of them?
Screenshots of the coaches twitter accounts? They have promotional artwork and are utilizing the players offers as marketing ("scholarship High", "you can go anywhere from here". "The movement" "bag gang"). These are all ways to promote their program and get more players in the future, so don't act like it is an injustice to post it.
It's pretty obvious that Trinity and Lutheran North recruit players. Even with those kids they can't beat Lamar, but their coaches have to be doing something that Lamar's coach isn't to be able to get his kids scholarships. 50-something straight wins speaks for itself. They even have 12 kids that were named 1st team all state. There are obviously a ton of people on here that are Lamar fans. Does anyone know what the situation is there regarding scholarships to college?
They're both private schools and they're absolutely selling themselves (i.e. recruiting). I'm guessing their Twitter accounts are public, so there's nothing wrong with using them as examples of it. If recruiting is illegal, why are they allowed to do it? My only point is that none of it has won them a state championship.
There’s always been holes in the recruiting process and or rule. And haven’t won one YET, but if Lamar wasn’t in the way it would be a different story.
And I always think of the classic saying. “Two wrongs don’t make a right.”
Do private schools in the other classes in Missouri fair better in terms of championships won? After checking the recruiting sites online, it appears that there aren't small schools here that have anywhere near the number of players getting offered scholarships at the rate these two schools are. State Championships aside, I can see why they're selling that aspect to parents and kids. Personally, like someone stated here earlier, the whole nickname thing for their program is a little tacky for my taste. Lamar's doing something right and they don't need to advertise themselves on social media with amateurish nicknames to do it. If I really wanted to win a ring, moving there would make sense though. I imagine they attract pretty good players even though they're not a private school.
Offers to underclassmen are worthless. It’s the written offer that a player gets from a school his senior year on August 1st that’s is a binding offer between the school and player. MU had offered over 150 kids this year when you look at the rivals database, but those where verbal offers.
A tradition of winning will draw more kids to a particular school than all of the recruiters. I saw this happen at Blue Springs many years ago.
It hadn't occurred to me until you just said that, but Lamar probably has just as many offers for their underclassmen and seniors as the private schools do. With all those State Championships and college offers, I can see why families move to Lamar.
Could you imagine the
theres nothing in lamar to move here for. 15 years ago we did but lost our biggest employer in 08 and our second largest in 15
Nobody is moving to Lamar. If anything, unless if their kids play football? People are moving OUT of Lamar. There’s hardly any jobs at all. Unless of course if like working at Walmart or McDonald’s. Google is a wonderful tool sir..... use it!!!
Thanks for the info. I didn't see anything on Lamar players getting offers to play in college or on Rivals or 247 and had mistakenly assumed the other two schools were getting grief here because their kids were getting offers and Lamar wasn't. I didn't Google the jobs. Only the HS football team. It's great that Lamar's kids are winning championships AND getting their players scholarships to college by doing it the right way and not recruiting kids or even bragging about it online. There's another thread here about the Lucas kid not having offers and he's the POY in their classification, so I figured none of Lamar's kids had scholarships if he didn't.
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I understand. I took your assumption of people moving to Lamar as a “why they are winning” But some kids get offers, just not to big colleges.
That is the big rub for public school teams - such as Lamar- when the Trinity and Lutheran North teams are so obvious with recruiting, and public schools play whoever grew up there ! Coach Bailey is a HUGE supporter of TEAM play - thus the Tiger nickname "THE BROTHERHOOD" It just makes you question recruiting in general when a bunch of handpicked D1 recruits get outplayed by basically a no named team - then that teams graduates seem to be TOTALLY overlooked by better schools because those players are only 6' tall !! I don't ever expect to see coach Bailey promoting individual players over others on one of his teams !
Do you feel that the two schools' scholarship offers for their players is their coaches taking advantage of them?[/QUOTE]
No .... Not the isolated 'offers'. That's all well and good.
But, as we watch the lack of character and life skills on parade with these kids [nationally] in NCAA/NFL/NBA--- kids who were built up to be nothing more than -possible- professional athletes? There is a GREAT flaw in the coaching of these young men if they aren't leaving with anything outside of big-dollar dreams. That's my biggest push back. These two schools are in the 'business' of building bionic teams and beyond the impact it has on anyone else? I have my own doubts it is even very positively impacting most of those directly involved. Statistics just aren't with all of these kids putting that many eggs in one basket.
No .... Not the isolated 'offers'. That's all well and good.
But, as we watch the lack of character and life skills on parade with these kids [nationally] in NCAA/NFL/NBA--- kids who were built up to be nothing more than -possible- professional athletes? There is a GREAT flaw in the coaching of these young men if they aren't leaving with anything outside of big-dollar dreams. That's my biggest push back. These two schools are in the 'business' of building bionic teams and beyond the impact it has on anyone else? I have my own doubts it is even very positively impacting most of those directly involved. Statistics just aren't with all of these kids putting that many eggs in one basket.
From what I've read here, Lamar football really just exploded 10 years ago. That they hadn't won State (or maybe even Districts) prior to that. Whatever changes were made seem to have come with their HC going there and by all accounts it's worked for them.
I just moved to St. Louis after living in Georgia and Florida and what I saw at public and private HS in both states doesn't look much different than what looks like is happening in St. Louis. From what I've seen, schools like Lamar, that are in rural areas that have been hit really hard by job loss (which leads to all manner of other social issues) are extraordinarily rare, when it comes to people not leaving the town for a more flashy school or one that promotes athletics as a way to get to college. Not so much the sense of community aspect as the way HS coaches view athletics as a way to pay for kids' college education.
A lot of folks in this forum love to freak out when someone has a different viewpoint than theirs is, but I don't know many parents that wouldn't do everything they could to give their kids the best chance for success possible. My kids had the goals of playing football in college and because I had the ability to move and enroll them in schools whose coaches were committed to assisting their players toward that.
For some folks, that small town community atmosphere and bonding is more important. A guy suggested I Google Lamar because I only had been reading about their football and that town is just incredibly different from St. Louis, in terms of the number of public school options alone. Private schools are another issue entirely because I don't think that's even an option in Lamar.
Parents in St. Louis and parents in Lamar are doing what they think is best for their kids based, in part, on the options available to them but mostly because their situations dictate what they see as goals. I don't see either group of parents as moral superior to the other. Winning championships is great and getting college scholarships is great, depending on what your goals are. From what I've heard, Lamar's players are getting just as many offers to play in college as Lutheran and Trinity and they've been able to win State while they do it. Lutheran and Trinity have just posted theirs on social media, so it looks much different.
I just moved to St. Louis after living in Georgia and Florida and what I saw at public and private HS in both states doesn't look much different than what looks like is happening in St. Louis. From what I've seen, schools like Lamar, that are in rural areas that have been hit really hard by job loss (which leads to all manner of other social issues) are extraordinarily rare, when it comes to people not leaving the town for a more flashy school or one that promotes athletics as a way to get to college. Not so much the sense of community aspect as the way HS coaches view athletics as a way to pay for kids' college education.
A lot of folks in this forum love to freak out when someone has a different viewpoint than theirs is, but I don't know many parents that wouldn't do everything they could to give their kids the best chance for success possible. My kids had the goals of playing football in college and because I had the ability to move and enroll them in schools whose coaches were committed to assisting their players toward that.
For some folks, that small town community atmosphere and bonding is more important. A guy suggested I Google Lamar because I only had been reading about their football and that town is just incredibly different from St. Louis, in terms of the number of public school options alone. Private schools are another issue entirely because I don't think that's even an option in Lamar.
Parents in St. Louis and parents in Lamar are doing what they think is best for their kids based, in part, on the options available to them but mostly because their situations dictate what they see as goals. I don't see either group of parents as moral superior to the other. Winning championships is great and getting college scholarships is great, depending on what your goals are. From what I've heard, Lamar's players are getting just as many offers to play in college as Lutheran and Trinity and they've been able to win State while they do it. Lutheran and Trinity have just posted theirs on social media, so it looks much different.
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Get a private school league within the state than I will fully support parents moving to another town or school district. Otherwise? I don’t support that part of it. If literally everyone else plays by the same rules, compared to public schools that don’t get to pick who plays for them, than the private school needs a different league. Thanks though for the input. I mean it you are a lot better than crusader. I’d even settle with them sitting a year. Fair playing fields matter. Lamar is a annomoly, not many schools over come the private school advantages most years. (See Valle Catholic for example.)
A lot of states separate public and private schools. Illinois doesn't and there really isn't a tremendous amount of movement toward doing it. In Lamar's case, I don't understand where the hard feelings and venom about it comes from, to be honest. Lamar has won 7 years in a row and has the longest winning streak in the state. The issue of private schools doesn't affect Lamar directly (from parents choosing private over public) because there aren't any private schools there or indirectly (because Lamar beats everyone anyway). Several people here have pointed out that Lamar has just as many D1 offers for their kids as the private schools, so that's not the issue either. I'm not trying to force anyone to change their views or justify what they like or don't like. It just looks like a non-issue because it's a choice someone 5+ hours away chose for their kids. At the end of the day, it's people's opinions and everyone is free to have their own. I can't say I wouldn't send my kid to a private school here if I thought it gave my kid a better situation. I mean, people in Lamar stay there because they feel being there gives their kids what they see as the best situation for them. Just different strokes, that's how I see it.
It comes from working hard, and possibly having a year end, because a team was built overnight and beat them. No streak such as Lamar’s should end based on recruiting and what murder private schools get away with. If Lamar’s streak ends, I think everyone involved with the town would like to see a team like Ava do it, hard working public school. I’ve already stated the moral and right vs wrong argument. Are you sure you are not crusader?
It's interesting that you see your opinion as an "argument". You're the 3rd or 4th person that's mentioned Crusader in responses to my posts and I have to assume that it's because he's the only person on this forum that said anything in opposition to everyone's views. I simply don't consider a family's decision based upon their own personal circumstances regarding what school they send their kids to and why they do it, to be a moral one. There's room for people to decide for themselves what's best and that's part of what makes America great. My personal preference is to root for the kids and enjoy the game. I don't have any interest in fighting people I don't know online over hypotheticals or judging them because they're different from me and exercise their right to choose something different than myself. You're free to disagree (of course), but I'm not here to make personal attacks like I've seen on multiple posts on this message board. All I can suggest is that people ignore me if you find my opinions contrary to your own. People don't generally get worked up about other people's choices unless they're truly threatened by them. I don't see how private schools are a threat to Lamar's football team.
Your just wrong but that’s ok. This argument is old. I’m done having it. No St. Louis school is safer than another. They are switching to these two schools for football purposes. It’s recruiting.
