Is this a screw job?

[Mister_Wizard]

Carl Junction leads Rogersville in the state sectionals 43-42 with 1.6 seconds to play. CJ has six team fouls. Rogersville is inbounding under the CJ basket.

The baseball pass is on the money, Rogersville catches near the top of the key. A shot is attempted. A foul is called.

Here's where it gets ugly. The referees allow the Rogersville shooter to go to the line for a 1-and-1, but no other players can be on the blocks for a rebound. The ref goes to the scorers table and has them announce "there is no time left on the clock". 1-and-1 is signaled, and the player switches the first to tie the game, and then swishes the second and the Wildcats celebrate. Game over.

Huh? If he gets a 1-and-1, then he was either fouled before or after the shot. And if a foul is called, how can there be no time left???

Big time screw job in my opinion, protest should be filed if ever there was such a thing allowed to do.

 

[AC100]

Also Coach Brocks tells Bebee to miss his 2nd free throw. If he tries to make it and misses off of the rim the clock would have run out. Instead the kid tries to miss and throws the ball off of the back board and does not touch the rim so Rogersville gets the ball with no time running.

 

[Mister_Wizard]

And, rogersville with no timeouts, so after the free throw flub Brock calls timeout and gives rogersville a chance to draw up a play.

Certainly some regrets about the way the coaching decisions played out.

But with the foul occurring before the shot (shooter awarded a 1-and-1), then either he was fouled with 0.0 on the clock - game over - or fouled with 0.1 or or greater so there should've been time remaining.

The refs blew this one big time.

 

[Mister_Wizard]

Correct, a foul call is a judgment thing so I'm not going to go there. Pretty weird though that if there was a foul, it was surely during the shot which should've sent the kid to the line for 3 free throws, if it was indeed a foul.

But a 1-and-1? The ref said he was fouled before the shot. So I'm very surprised that the clock could read 0.0.

Btw, technically they had the scoreboard operator put 0.1 on the clock but told the PA guy to announce "there is no time left in the game." So pretty strange to see 0.1 on the clock but nobody ready to rebound.

 

[AC100]

Correct, a foul call is a judgment thing so I'm not going to go there. Pretty weird though that if there was a foul, it was surely during the shot which should've sent the kid to the line for 3 free throws, if it was indeed a foul.

But a 1-and-1? The ref said he was fouled before the shot. So I'm very surprised that the clock could read 0.0.

Btw, technically they had the scoreboard operator put 0.1 on the clock but told the PA guy to announce "there is no time left in the game." So pretty strange to see 0.1 on the clock but nobody ready to rebound.

Normally you can murder someone in that spot and no foul is called.

 

[Mister_Wizard]

Good video from channel 16 just now. Clearly shows we smacked the shooter on the 3 point attempt with .8 on the clock in the background. So no doubt in my mind he deserved the free throws, and no doubt he was shooting. Of course, if the ref says it was before the shot when he went up in the crowd, then definitely you are talking between one second and 1.6 that was originally on the clock.

You can also easily hear the whistle before the scoreboard light comes on.

So good job to call the foul and it was before time expired.

But totally messed up IMO to shoot a 1-and-1 with no time left.

I have no confidence that CJ would've pulled off a miracle in one second, but frankly Rogersville did.

 

[AC100]

This shows Brock should take the blame here. Telling the kid to miss and then calling time out didn't work.

 

[msubearssuperfan1]

 

[conservative]

repeat>>>>>Carl outsmarted themselves.

 

[wahoolives]

Having the kid miss the free throw is the right play, just the execution wasn't very good. Calling timeout to let them set up a play is a decision that you see coaches make both ways, sometimes a coach isn't comfortable with his defense. Personally probably don't call timeout to let them draw up a play but if the kid hits the rim on the freethrow or there isn't a foul are we still questioning the coaches decision. You can't question based on outcome.

 

[Mister_Wizard]

My beef is with the referees' decision. To shoot a 1-and-1, a player has to be fouled when he isn't in the act of shooting. This foul cannot occur after time has ran out or it can't be called. Thus, there has to be time on the clock.

And in this case, the refs stated that he was fouled before the shot (which was of course before the buzzer).

Can you imagine if he missed the front end of the 1-and-1 resulting in a loss? Rogersville fans would then have their own major gripe for the same point - there had to have been time left for us to try to tip in an offensive rebound.

I really can't figure out why the refs made the decision they did.

 

[wahoolives]

Talked to someone at the game they said .1 was on the clock so the red light would be off on the backboard.

 

[341A]

My beef is with the referees' decision. To shoot a 1-and-1, a player has to be fouled when he isn't in the act of shooting. This foul cannot occur after time has ran out or it can't be called. Thus, there has to be time on the clock.

And in this case, the refs stated that he was fouled before the shot (which was of course before the buzzer).

Can you imagine if he missed the front end of the 1-and-1 resulting in a loss? Rogersville fans would then have their own major gripe for the same point - there had to have been time left for us to try to tip in an offensive rebound.

I really can't figure out why the refs made the decision they did.

I wasn't there and don't know what happned but I do know per NFHS rules If there is a foul called so close to the expiration of time that the timer can not be stopped before it expires and the officials do not have definite knowledge of how much time should be left then then the free throws will be attempted with no time.

 

[Mister_Wizard]

It doesn't take a wizard to know that had the shot went in, it would've counted, and since the foul occurred before the shot, they could've easily said that .5 or .8 or something would be put back on the clock.

But I'm appreciative and respectful of the above post stating per Rules because at least that supports the kid shooting the 1-and-1.