free markets
Less gubmint intrusion
people that didnt' lie and commit adultery with nasties.
It's bizarro world.
Less gubmint intrusion
people that didnt' lie and commit adultery with nasties.
It's bizarro world.
I remember when the GOP was for
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We are for free markets,,,,,if Japan will drop all tariffs against US products then Trump will do the same.
Time for USA to stop being raped on the world stage
You have to tone down the hyperbole, dude. You're saying the richest nation in the history of the earth, the most powerful nation in the history of the earth is being "raped" on the world stage? That's asinine.
So don't trade with japan.
You're being obtuse boy.
Enjoy your recession and it's all trumps.
Phew.
I agree with Mark Cuban. Buy everything this weekend. Because American companies are going to be jacking up their prices and blaming tariffs as an excuse.
That can be said about both parties.
Dems use to want companies to keep Jobs here
Strong borders deporting illegal immigrants
Lying on national TV and smoking those cigars.
I’m not for corporate Dems.
I’m not for maga republicans.
But both sides are NOT the same no matter how much you want them to be. If the GOP could eliminate every union in America they would do it immediately. If they could eliminate free or reduced school lunches they would jump at the chance.
Do you see Ted Cruz answering this question in this manner????
I’m not for maga republicans.
But both sides are NOT the same no matter how much you want them to be. If the GOP could eliminate every union in America they would do it immediately. If they could eliminate free or reduced school lunches they would jump at the chance.
Do you see Ted Cruz answering this question in this manner????
Just because you find a Tweet you like doesn't make is so. I am sure you remember when Trump put all these tariffs in place his first term, all those Dems said the sky would be falling and that is all you heard on the news. Well guess what Biden gets elected and did he or the dems remove any of those tariffs that they said would hurt the the US economy no he did not and in fact he increased many of them!! Did the Dems scream then did the news say doom or gloom?
Lumber Tariffs in November of 2021 a time that we all remember housing prices were soaring Biden increased tariffs on Canada lumber from 8% to 18%!! and not hardly a news organization covered or screamed at Biden for taking it to the American people, Heck I cannot find a post anywhere on Mosports where @Toots_mcgee posted a Tweet about how bad that decision was back then....has your mind changed on Tariffs or does it just matter which party is in charge on if you are against them or for them and are willing to call that party out?
Here is an interesting thing on Biden administration during inflation nobody really talks about!!
Despite having campaigned against Donald Trump's trade policies, Biden has largely continued in his predecessor's protectionist footsteps — not just with Canadian lumber, but with many products from China and a host of other nations. Now with rising concerns about inflation, many economists and business leaders are arguing that an effective way to combat spiking prices is to cut these tariffs, which amount to a gigantic tax — as high as $51 billion a year — on American consumers and businesses that rely on imports.
Lumber Tariffs in November of 2021 a time that we all remember housing prices were soaring Biden increased tariffs on Canada lumber from 8% to 18%!! and not hardly a news organization covered or screamed at Biden for taking it to the American people, Heck I cannot find a post anywhere on Mosports where @Toots_mcgee posted a Tweet about how bad that decision was back then....has your mind changed on Tariffs or does it just matter which party is in charge on if you are against them or for them and are willing to call that party out?
Here is an interesting thing on Biden administration during inflation nobody really talks about!!
Despite having campaigned against Donald Trump's trade policies, Biden has largely continued in his predecessor's protectionist footsteps — not just with Canadian lumber, but with many products from China and a host of other nations. Now with rising concerns about inflation, many economists and business leaders are arguing that an effective way to combat spiking prices is to cut these tariffs, which amount to a gigantic tax — as high as $51 billion a year — on American consumers and businesses that rely on imports.
I was not aware of Biden raising the tariff or I clearly would have blasted him. You just said it was hardly covered by the media. Duh. I’m against tariffs in most cases unless it is an extreme situation. You won’t find any posts of mine in the past 24 years on mosports where I root for tariffs.
Well that has always been my point Toots, Your party screams the loudest and honestly so does the news when the Pubs or Trump does something, but for some reason when Biden or the Dems do it, they either don't cover it or just try and justify it. This is what irks me so bad about Tribalism in politics. You can tell me all you want that you are not a corporate Dem but once they are in power you go into cruise control and stop trying to hold their feet to the fire same with the Pubs. You both try to gloat and own the other party or those in the party. It needs to be Americans holding our elected officials to fire. In the end we all probable agree more on things then we don't if you take away the dang labels....
They say it is because we have huge sanctions against them so at this point we are pretty much not trading with them.
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Veer not sure how old you are, but if you are a history buff like I am I love to study history.
While Tariffs can increase the cost on goods in the United states it can also lead to job lose.
I am sure you have heard of the Dillion Round in the 1960's that resulted in significant tariff concessions., then later JFK had the Kennedy Round in the mid-1960's that further reduced tariffs and expanded trade.
Those who supported those reductions said it was done to foster economic growth and global cooperation. But if you know history I am sure you remember the 70's.... the early 80's and now. Some wonder by removing Tariffs in the 60's you could see a decline in manufacturing while many point to foreign competition....but there really was no foreign competition until we reduce and eliminated many Tariffs.
But those are some interesting reads there are some good books on those also. You would have thought that Kennedy being a Dem would never have supported such a move but honestly him removing tariffs was the beginning of the fall of the Blue collar working man.
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Indeed I am a history guy. Tariffs are a terrible move (historically) and generally only serve to widen the gap between the rich and the poor.
We are being taxed for things that people actually need in addition to 'wants'.
What's the end game here for the rich? that's the question we should be asking.
Phew.
Is there a party in the US political system who would outlaw unions and collective bargaining if they could?
History Buffs know we tried mass tariffs in 1828, and it crashed the economy. We tried again in 1930, and it crashed the economy.
Trump I and Biden didn’t do what Trump II is doing, thus the markets did not collapse. This is self-harm at an unprecedented level.
Trump I and Biden didn’t do what Trump II is doing, thus the markets did not collapse. This is self-harm at an unprecedented level.
While I tend to agree that many true Pubs would love to see this, those MAGA pubs would never do that. My dad in fact is proud to call himself MAGA and is still in the Union and was a leader in the Union, in fact if you go to the union halls today you would see more Maga hats then Harris or Biden.
Trump has brought in the labor vote because the Dems have let down the Unions by allowing companies to offshoring of jobs.
The trend of offshoring jobs, particularly in manufacturing and later in services like customer support and information technology, became particularly noticeable during the presidency of Bill Clinton (1993–2001). The 1990s saw the signing of trade agreements like the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) in 1994, which made it easier for companies to move operations to countries with lower labor costs, such as Mexico and China. Additionally, Clinton's administration supported the expansion of global trade and the integration of China into the World Trade Organization (WTO) in 2001, which further facilitated outsourcing.
So then what are your thoughts on what I posted? If Tariffs are bad then why after removing most of the Tariffs in the 60's did we suffer in the 70's? Should we have had Stag flation?
Opec oil embargo was the major driver of the economic malaise of the 70s (IMO).
What about the 50's and 60's? Let's not leave out history that does not fit our narrative.... All history needs to be studied and included.
I agree it helped there was more at work... Again there are some good reads on this.
United States did not have mass tariffs in the 1950s and 1960s. In fact, that period was marked by a general trend toward lowering tariffs and promoting free trade.
Here’s some context:
• Post-WWII Trade Policy: After World War II, the U.S. helped establish a global economic order that encouraged trade liberalization, including the creation of the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT) in 1947.
• Tariff Reductions: Through several rounds of GATT negotiations—especially the Kennedy Round (1964–1967)—the U.S. actively reduced tariffs on a wide range of goods. These efforts were part of a broader strategy to foster global economic recovery and cooperation during the Cold War.
• Trade Expansion Act of 1962: This gave the president more authority to negotiate tariff reductions, further reflecting the U.S.’s pro-trade stance during that time.
So, rather than mass tariffs, the 1950s and 1960s were a time of progressive tariff reductions and trade liberalization.
Here’s some context:
• Post-WWII Trade Policy: After World War II, the U.S. helped establish a global economic order that encouraged trade liberalization, including the creation of the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT) in 1947.
• Tariff Reductions: Through several rounds of GATT negotiations—especially the Kennedy Round (1964–1967)—the U.S. actively reduced tariffs on a wide range of goods. These efforts were part of a broader strategy to foster global economic recovery and cooperation during the Cold War.
• Trade Expansion Act of 1962: This gave the president more authority to negotiate tariff reductions, further reflecting the U.S.’s pro-trade stance during that time.
So, rather than mass tariffs, the 1950s and 1960s were a time of progressive tariff reductions and trade liberalization.
The 1950 and 60’s also had the highest tax rates for rich Americans in our country’s history, strong unions and massive growth of our middle class.
There was a chicken in every pot.
There was a chicken in every pot.
Exactly. It’s not a coincidence that the golden time that everyone wants to hearken back to was when top marginal tax rates were the highest and income inequality was the lowest.
I have never seen anybody so against trying to bring back higher jobs then you Toots.. you don't have to support the orange man but come on we as a country need to bring back manufacturing.
who is going to buy the mobile phones built in the USA? Bill Gates and 10 other people?
It isn’t going to happen, bro. And that’s not even what Trump is trying to do. He is just working on getting more power and riches for himself and other billionaires. He is so anti-union it’s not funny.
Union people who voted for this idiot were completely fooled and weren’t paying attention.
Biden did way better for manufacturing than you give him credit. If he hadn’t lost his wits during the campaign he would have won again.
It isn’t going to happen, bro. And that’s not even what Trump is trying to do. He is just working on getting more power and riches for himself and other billionaires. He is so anti-union it’s not funny.
Union people who voted for this idiot were completely fooled and weren’t paying attention.
Biden did way better for manufacturing than you give him credit. If he hadn’t lost his wits during the campaign he would have won again.
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This is what people need to step back and consider.
Why is this supposed 4-d chess player doing what he's doing?
Scary times. If that guy invokes the Insurrection Act and puts martial law in place will the MAGAts finally wake up?
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