Please complete the information and support your argument with factual information. "You people" are you Ross Perot?
I knew MU was bad, but all players of color quit??
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Too late. I sure hope you put the hard top on that sweet jeep. It's getting cold!
Another really funny, educated response. Does it hurt when your knuckles drag?
If we're going with the most literal definition of of the word "educated", I'd bet that I'm factually more "educated " than you are...
...but like that really matters to you
Sounds like Wolfe must have also been on the grassy knoll in '63. From what l saw up at the game Thursday night, their ALL already on strike!
Im sorry, "when your knuckles drag"? Are you serious? You get in an argument which obviously is way beyond your IQ level and then use a derogatory slur like that. Keepin it classy and clueless since 2002 congratulations.......
Your statement might as well have read "If you are someone who has the same opinion as me, it is relevant." There's no denying there is racism on MU campus. The concern is when you start making demands (however legitimate they may be) and not willing to talk (or play football) until they are met. This isn't a clear situation where you get exactly what you want. This is a much more complex ordeal that is, now, undoubtedly being expedited and put on the top of UMs problems to work on.
I'm sure UM system (including Wolfe) will work on the issue. This isn't enough for the students, I get it, but to simply get rid of Wolfe and enforce demands given by Concerned Student 1950 will only make the issue worse. Getting rid of Wolfe will not result in the obliteration of racism from MU. It is a slow process that is generational. No matter who resigns and what demands are met, there will still be a campus that has rural-raised farm boys and girls who were brought up in a manner which is not accepted anymore.
I'm well informed enough to know a Grad student that is involved in it.
This has all started because grad students are pissed off because the University cut their perks... They were getting nowhere with their demands to get paid more, tutions breaks, health insurance, etc. So some decided to bring race into the equation so it would get more public reaction.
Storming his car during homecoming parade. What did you expect his protection detail to do. Not protect him?
Yes, there is race problems. But it should not be exploited for the real reasons this is going on.
Huh? Rural raise farm boys and girls who were brought up in a manner which is not accepted? Now that's a revelation. Thanks for clearing up the issue.
Huh? Rural raise farm boys and girls who were brought up in a manner which is not accepted? Now that's a revelation. Thanks for clearing up the issue.
Known as a "Red Herring".
Posted by a Black man that attended the University of Missouri:
Alright, usually I don't care enough about anything to make ridiculous posts like this one, but here we go. I believe the hunger strike and boycott going on at Mizzou is way out of line given the circumstances. As a star of the fraternal variety and a sexy black man, I feel like I can give a somewhat neutral voice of reason to all this. First, I think the black population at Mizzou should realize that a campus with over 30,000 students is not going to have perfect race relations, there are just too many people you have to try and control. People are going to say and do ignorant stuff every now and then. Getting really upset just feeds into what this very small minority of people wants. I'm not completely certain about this, but I'm pretty sure every person that's been caught doing anything remotely racist since I've been here has been kicked out. With that being said, I'm not sure what else the administration can do, especially the president of the entire UM system (if anyones job should be on the line it should be the chancellor because he has more of a direct influence as to what goes on at the Columbia campus). I have yet to encounter or hear of anyone who has been denied basic rights or physically harmed because of their race at Mizzou, in which case could potentially warrant a hunger strike. Going on a hunger strike just because you are unhappy with the administration, diminishes the significance of the act. People on hunger strikes around the world are in serious danger and truly see this as their only option. Black students at Mizzou have a lot of better options. It's not the president of the UM system who needs to change, I'm pretty sure he's not that racist. It's the small minority of students who cause the problems that need to change. However, as we all know the only person we can control is ourselves. With that said, I think the best thing black students can do is stop isolating themselves from everyone else. Every activity or organization doesn't necessarily have to be labeled a black thing. I think some of the issues are the way they are because black students are labeling themselves as black before labeling themselves as students or even people for that matter. This has to be pretty intimidating for anyone looking from the outside in. I'm not saying that black people don't have the right to be proud of who they are, we've come a long a way and have every right to be. I'm just saying that people tend to fear and not appreciate groups that only interact with themselves. So I encourage all black students at Mizzou to go out and meet a white person, shit, even an Asian will do. The moment we stop acknowledging race as the primary make up of an individual is when shit will start to actually get better.
Alright, usually I don't care enough about anything to make ridiculous posts like this one, but here we go. I believe the hunger strike and boycott going on at Mizzou is way out of line given the circumstances. As a star of the fraternal variety and a sexy black man, I feel like I can give a somewhat neutral voice of reason to all this. First, I think the black population at Mizzou should realize that a campus with over 30,000 students is not going to have perfect race relations, there are just too many people you have to try and control. People are going to say and do ignorant stuff every now and then. Getting really upset just feeds into what this very small minority of people wants. I'm not completely certain about this, but I'm pretty sure every person that's been caught doing anything remotely racist since I've been here has been kicked out. With that being said, I'm not sure what else the administration can do, especially the president of the entire UM system (if anyones job should be on the line it should be the chancellor because he has more of a direct influence as to what goes on at the Columbia campus). I have yet to encounter or hear of anyone who has been denied basic rights or physically harmed because of their race at Mizzou, in which case could potentially warrant a hunger strike. Going on a hunger strike just because you are unhappy with the administration, diminishes the significance of the act. People on hunger strikes around the world are in serious danger and truly see this as their only option. Black students at Mizzou have a lot of better options. It's not the president of the UM system who needs to change, I'm pretty sure he's not that racist. It's the small minority of students who cause the problems that need to change. However, as we all know the only person we can control is ourselves. With that said, I think the best thing black students can do is stop isolating themselves from everyone else. Every activity or organization doesn't necessarily have to be labeled a black thing. I think some of the issues are the way they are because black students are labeling themselves as black before labeling themselves as students or even people for that matter. This has to be pretty intimidating for anyone looking from the outside in. I'm not saying that black people don't have the right to be proud of who they are, we've come a long a way and have every right to be. I'm just saying that people tend to fear and not appreciate groups that only interact with themselves. So I encourage all black students at Mizzou to go out and meet a white person, shit, even an Asian will do. The moment we stop acknowledging race as the primary make up of an individual is when shit will start to actually get better.
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This is no different than how the media and many people have treated many of the "race incidents" that have occurred since Ferguson. Instead of waiting for any actual factual evidence to be presented they have already made up their mind and refused to accept what the evidence indicates actually happened.
There are racists...clearly on the Mizzou campus (and every campus for that matter), but they are claiming systemic oppression....meaning they actually believe that rules/laws are in place governed/enforced by the university and law enforcement against people of color in general. Since Im not in the know and may be missing something, but what systemic oppressions is this particular sample of the student body suffering? Are there specific classes that are not available to them? Scholarships (<<<thats funny)? Fraternities? Sororities? Public transportation?
Could the president have handled this better? Of course...we can all monday morning QB. But how? Did he get law enforcement/campus police involved? I honestly don't know...but I know they shouldn't be demanding his job who many that know him believe to not be racist at all.
Its truly sad that some of these students have to endure acts of racism. And I wish they would catch the dumb a** racists that act like that, but these "demands" for an increase in race-based hiring, admittance of "white privilege", and governing bodies made up solely of "people of color" is one of the most prejudice things Ive seen. Its right up there with equal opportunity employment. When race supersedes qualifications....
He had several opportunities to meet with the group well before this. He's had plenty of time to address the situations the students are complaining about and didn't do anything. He was filmed a couple days ago interacting with students sympathetic to the cause and came across like a total putz.
Like I said, I'm not in favor of this protest, but to say that Wolfe has helped the situation is just not accurate. He's feckless and a weak leader.
There's a great ignore feature on here. Maybe someone can teach you how to use it.
See this just proves it just because a person has a different opinion than yours, you are quick to discredit him, it seems to me that this is what is wrong with this country right now and why we have issues and not just race. It's you either agree 100% with my opinion or yours does not matter and I am not listening. What happened to the middle ground and trying to work to solve the real issues. It is not going to happen until everybody is actual willing to come to table and listen.
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He is black, he went to MU, and wrote an educated post. Why would we not listen to him?
Yeah, that's not my problem with what he wrote. I think it's a real problem when people assume stuff, especially when it runs directly counter to what I wrote.
The are getting paid to play (scholarships), cancel the scholarships, send them a bill for school, move them out of the dorms and move on.
That would be a great way for Mizzou to be killed in the press and on the recruiting trail.
Runyouover insinuated that unless you are black and went to MU then your opinion is invalid. I was simply posting something that meets that criteria and had an educated point of view. And presented it with a sense of humor. No matter how credible his opinion is....he makes good points. Could Wolfe have handled it better by simply asking what can I do to help. Sure. But did they expect him to do it in the middle of a homecoming parade in the middle of a street? And did they expect the police to not remove them? (but I guess they can claim excessive force now).
GP had no choice but to stand with his players and neither did the other players. It would have been social/media suicide.
Now Jonathan Butler can go back to complaining about being a grad student and these concerned students can go back to being systematically oppressed.
GP had no choice but to stand with his players and neither did the other players. It would have been social/media suicide.
Now Jonathan Butler can go back to complaining about being a grad student and these concerned students can go back to being systematically oppressed.
Most universities group their grad students into their group rate for professors and other workers. Mizzou didn't do that. Most universities do not have a problem with grad health insurance, and actually have good benefits. Mizzou has terrible, terrible grad school benefits, and it's a real problem that will hopefully be addressed.
It's also not accurate to say that being a grad student is like having an internship. An internship you report to a group leader who leads your work, and that's it. As a grad student, you go to class, you teach, and (if you have a real grad school experience) you are responsible for your grad work. Having done both, having an internship is much less work than being a grad student, and should be compensated accordingly.
They should do away with all that . Make professors teach and put in a full 8-10 hour day like the rest of us.
Someday people will do something when Absolutily nobody can afford s college education
Someday people will do something when Absolutily nobody can afford s college education
Go to a different school then if their benefits are so bad.
Problem solved
Everyone can go home now
Problem solved
Everyone can go home now
GO TO ANOTHER GRAD PROGRAM!!!!!!!!!!! QUIT COMPLAINING OR GET A DAMN REAL JOB!
Why are you so angry?
For my profession, Mizzou had facilities unlike any other college in the world. So for me, the benefits outweighed the downside. For a lot of disciplines, that isn't true, and it's a real problem when trying to get great grad students, who do most of the actual research in universities.
And I did get a job, a very good job. Any other suggestions?
That's not a problem. That's people being smart enough to go somewhere that they feel they are getting their fair value. They don't sit and cry about it. They changed their situation. It's called being an adult. Crazy concept, I know.
It explains why I moved 4 hours away from home. I went somewhere that gave me my fair share for what my education and work habits bring to the company.
If it's so bad, there are probably a few other universities around the region with graduate programs.....just a guess.
I think you misunderstand. It's a problem for the university. The university is judged on the quality of its research, which is performed in large part by grad students. If the university is not attracting good grad students, it's hard to get good research, and the university suffers.
Mizzou will come of this worse off, not better (and not just athletically...)
I think if there are no more incidents to follow in the near future there will be some harm but not nearly as much as there would have been if the President hadn't jumped on his sword. If there had been a game forfeited Saturday it would have done massive damage to the school and football program.
Recruiting is a shark eat shark business though so you can bet other teams will try to exploit this.
I would say if Missouri wins Saturday it would go a long ways toward putting this behind them. If they continue to lose this will come up until they do win.
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