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Expect2Win

Expect2Win

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and apparently a lot of other people are not, either.

There is a lot to take away from this study. The one thing that jumps out at me is this statistic from the story linked.

Seventy-nine percent of the public sampling said science has made life easier for most people, but that figure is down four points from what it was in 2009.

Who are the 21 percent who do not think that science has made life easier for most people?

http://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/survey-shows-scientists-public-odds-over-climate-gmos-more-n296231
 
Originally posted by Duck_walk:
BG, Miller, Drop, SteveD, WCS......stop me when I get to 21%
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Duck you work with the public, think about how stupid the averge person is...now realize that half of them are dumber than that. Easy to get to 21%.
 
After actually looking at the survey...holy cow the evolution number.

Also shocked at how many people are scared of GMOs. I would have guessed the % ok with GMOs was more in the 50-60% range. We're lucky we don't have a bunch of really dumb laws given that gap in knowledge.
 
Originally posted by Neutron Monster:
After actually looking at the survey...holy cow the evolution number.

Also shocked at how many people are scared of GMOs. I would have guessed the % ok with GMOs was more in the 50-60% range. We're lucky we don't have a bunch of really dumb laws given that gap in knowledge.
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1. Lack of full disclosure of GMO's
2. Veer hates GMO's.
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Why are you shocked this country is filled with idiots. They gave us a second term for Bush and Obummer. Good grief just go to your local Walmart and you'll see where these numbers are coming from.
 
Originally posted by Duck_walk:
BG, Miller, Drop, SteveD, WCS......stop me when I get to 21%
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Not so with me. I believe in climate change. I don't believe man causes it, has control of it, or that impending peril is to result from it.
 
Originally posted by Neutron Monster:
The 21% are the people who can't figure out how to DVR Matlock or Diagnosis: Murder.
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The 79 percent are made of people changing their light bulbs and toilets to save the Earth.
 
Originally posted by millerbleach:

Originally posted by Duck_walk:
BG, Miller, Drop, SteveD, WCS......stop me when I get to 21%
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Not so with me. I believe in climate change. I don't believe man causes it, has control of it, or that impending peril is to result from it.
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If you had been born 50 years earlier, you would have been the guy making fun of the people using indoor toilets instead of just using the outhouse that was good enough for the founders.
 
Speaking of toilets,

We have the new toilets in our house that use less water per flush. Saving water right? Only problem is you have to flush them multiple times if you actually GO to the bathroom in them.
 
Originally posted by ag-man:
Speaking of toilets,

We have the new toilets in our house that use less water per flush. Saving water right? Only problem is you have to flush them multiple times if you actually GO to the bathroom in them.
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TMI
 
Originally posted by ag-man:
Speaking of toilets,

We have the new toilets in our house that use less water per flush. Saving water right? Only problem is you have to flush them multiple times if you actually GO to the bathroom in them.
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I know, when I've gone overseas, a number of places have different flush buttons for #1 and #2. You use less water for the former.
 
Originally posted by wcowherd:
Are you talking about people that want to save money on their utility bill?
Posted from Rivals Mobile
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He picked like the two dumbest examples you could come up with. Two things that literally pay for themselves.
 
Originally posted by Expect2Win:
I think the trend away from science is scary also.
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It's amazing how much people take for granted that is science. They just want to deny the stuff that has implications they don't like.

It's great that the TV turns on and that antibiotics work, but DON'T TALK TO ME ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING ITS A HOAX
 
The best thing is when the morons say science does nothing for them....

While arguing their point on Facebook.....on their smart phone.
 
Originally posted by ag-man:
Speaking of toilets,

We have the new toilets in our house that use less water per flush. Saving water right? Only problem is you have to flush them multiple times if you actually GO to the bathroom in them.
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Liberal solutions to problems they imagine.
 
Originally posted by Neutron Monster:


Originally posted by wcowherd:
Are you talking about people that want to save money on their utility bill?

Posted from Rivals Mobile
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He picked like the two dumbest examples you could come up with. Two things that literally pay for themselves.
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I just prefer to have the things I pay for work. I guess you libs just want to try to convince people your save the Earth schemes are good ideas since they are "cheap". If your great innovations work so well, why do you have to eliminate the competition to your better mouse traps?
 
Originally posted by wccards21:
The best thing is when the morons say science does nothing for them....

While arguing their point on Facebook.....on their smart phone.
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Anyone who would say science has done nothing for them would be too retarded to use any I call BS on this one.
 
Anybody who believes not taking care of the planet we live on because the earth has existed fine for any numbers of years is not thinking clearly. Who cares if it takes another 1000 years for us to make the planet unlivable or 1000000 years we should still respect and take care of this planet.
 
Originally posted by vbsideout:

Anybody who believes not taking care of the planet we live on because the earth has existed fine for any numbers of years is not thinking clearly. Who cares if it takes another 1000 years for us to make the planet unlivable or 1000000 years we should still respect and take care of this planet.
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Not to mention we've only been able to reap this level of destruction for a minuscule portion of human existence.

There were only a billion people 200 years ago, and nearly all of them lived in rural areas in places where they were living off the land.

Saying "we've existed for millions of years" or something like that misses the point; humans were at the mercy of the world for the vast majority of our existence. It is only recently that we have had the technology to damage the ecosystems of the earth.
 
You mean to tell me people weren't driving cars around with dinosaurs? King Tut didn't have his own "Pope-Mobile" ?
 
Neutron?

Is this the only place you visit where you are consistently lumped in with the "you libs" crowd?
 
Re: Neutron?


Originally posted by Expect2Win:
Is this the only place you visit where you are consistently lumped in with the "you libs" crowd?
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No. There's a simplistic viewpoint among many that there are two possible places on the political spectrum - conservative and liberal. And there are a number of people who believe the goal is to agree with one side or the other on ever single thing. So, if they see you disagree with a couple of their core positions, you must be all the way over on the other side.

No one who is an actual liberal would ever call me one. I don't think Buck or Duck would ever mistake me for one.
 
Re: Neutron?

Originally posted by Neutron Monster:

Originally posted by Expect2Win:
Is this the only place you visit where you are consistently lumped in with the "you libs" crowd?
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No. There's a simplistic viewpoint among many that there are two possible places on the political spectrum - conservative and liberal. And there are a number of people who believe the goal is to agree with one side or the other on ever single thing. So, if they see you disagree with a couple of their core positions, you must be all the way over on the other side.

No one who is an actual liberal would ever call me one. I don't think Buck or Duck would ever mistake me for one.Well said.

It takes a huge lack of intellect to have to follow this world view.

I don't agree with much the GOP does so the republiberalcans call me liberal. Go figure..

GOP=big spenders
GOP= deadbeats (don't pay for spending)
GOP=butting in others business
GOP= big talk no walk (social issues)

They follow the Reagan model and he was a super Lib.

Facts.
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Re: Neutron?

Veer:
Using your definition of liberal, how many conservatives can you name? You are not the definer of words. If a person fails to be as conservative as you want does not make them liberal.

NM:
Positions on issues define liberal and conservative. Liberals believe the government is the answer to problems. Conservatives believe people are the answer to problems. Liberals believe government programs help people. Conservatives believe government programs trap people. Do you dissagree with those boundaries and where do you fall in those definitions?
 
Originally posted by millerbleach:
Originally posted by Neutron Monster:


Originally posted by wcowherd:
Are you talking about people that want to save money on their utility bill?

Posted from Rivals Mobile
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He picked like the two dumbest examples you could come up with. Two things that literally pay for themselves.
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I just prefer to have the things I pay for work. I guess you libs just want to try to convince people your save the Earth schemes are good ideas since they are "cheap". If your great innovations work so well, why do you have to eliminate the competition to your better mouse traps?
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Let's take your two examples. CFL lights and LED lights are market based solutions to terribly inefficient incandescent lamps and toilets that use less water are super common overseas and are making their way over to the U.S. Because people hate paying for water.

This is thread just proves you have no idea what your talking about.
 
Re: Neutron?


Originally posted by millerbleach:
Veer:
Using your definition of liberal, how many conservatives can you name? You are not the definer of words. If a person fails to be as conservative as you want does not make them liberal.

NM:
Positions on issues define liberal and conservative. Liberals believe the government is the answer to problems. Conservatives believe people are the answer to problems. Liberals believe government programs help people. Conservatives believe government programs trap people. Do you dissagree with those boundaries and where do you fall in those definitions?
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This answer encapsulates what I mean to a tee.

Think about this: one can take a conservative position on one issue, a liberal position on another, and a middle of the road position on another. How does one describe that person?

The world is not binary in the way that your post implies that it is. It is an amalgamation of issues on which one can take positions all across the political spectrum.

Further, the fully "conservative" viewpoint is basically incoherent, which is what Veer gets at repeatedly. At least liberals are consistently honest in what they want.
 
Originally posted by Drop.Tine:
Originally posted by Neutron Monster:
After actually looking at the survey...holy cow the evolution number.

Also shocked at how many people are scared of GMOs. I would have guessed the % ok with GMOs was more in the 50-60% range. We're lucky we don't have a bunch of really dumb laws given that gap in knowledge.
Click to expand...
1. Lack of full disclosure of GMO's
2. Veer hates GMO's.
party0005.r191677.gif




Why are you shocked this country is filled with idiots. They gave us a second term for Bush and Obummer. Good grief just go to your local Walmart and you'll see where these numbers are coming from.
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Link or another lie.
 
Re: Neutron?

Originally posted by millerbleach:
Veer:
Using your definition of liberal, how many conservatives can you name? You are not the definer of words. If a person fails to be as conservative as you want does not make them liberal.

NM:
Positions on issues define liberal and conservative. Liberals believe the government is the answer to problems. Conservatives believe people are the answer to problems. Liberals believe government programs help people. Conservatives believe government programs trap people. Do you dissagree with those boundaries and where do you fall in those definitions?
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The issues are simple:

The GOP spends but doesn't pay for it. Check.
GOP had COMPLETE control of gubmin from 2000-2006 and all those hot button social issues are still hot button issues...They're playing you guys and you just keep giving money and voting for the charlatans.

GOP is liberal BY DEED.
 
Kenny don't hide

Originally posted by Veer2Eternity:
Originally posted by Drop.Tine:
Originally posted by Neutron Monster:
After actually looking at the survey...holy cow the evolution number.

Also shocked at how many people are scared of GMOs. I would have guessed the % ok with GMOs was more in the 50-60% range. We're lucky we don't have a bunch of really dumb laws given that gap in knowledge.
Click to expand...
1. Lack of full disclosure of GMO's
2. Veer hates GMO's.
party0005.r191677.gif




Why are you shocked this country is filled with idiots. They gave us a second term for Bush and Obummer. Good grief just go to your local Walmart and you'll see where these numbers are coming from.
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Link or another lie.
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Re: Neutron?

Originally posted by Neutron Monster:


Originally posted by millerbleach:
Veer:
Using your definition of liberal, how many conservatives can you name? You are not the definer of words. If a person fails to be as conservative as you want does not make them liberal.

NM:
Positions on issues define liberal and conservative. Liberals believe the government is the answer to problems. Conservatives believe people are the answer to problems. Liberals believe government programs help people. Conservatives believe government programs trap people. Do you dissagree with those boundaries and where do you fall in those definitions?
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This answer encapsulates what I mean to a tee.

Think about this: one can take a conservative position on one issue, a liberal position on another, and a middle of the road position on another. How does one describe that person?

The world is not binary in the way that your post implies that it is. It is an amalgamation of issues on which one can take positions all across the political spectrum.

Further, the fully "conservative" viewpoint is basically incoherent, which is what Veer gets at repeatedly. At least liberals are consistently honest in what they want.
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And you didn't answer the question. How can you not be a liberal when you see more government programs and legislation to be the answer to our problems? You continually howl about "nothing getting done".
 
Originally posted by wcowherd:

Let's take your two examples. CFL lights and LED lights are market based solutions to terribly inefficient incandescent lamps and toilets that use less water are super common overseas and are making their way over to the U.S. Because people hate paying for water.

This is thread just proves you have no idea what your talking about.
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You think government mandated products are market based! And you say I have no idea!!!!!

Ifg these products were as great as you say, the government wouldn't have to mandate them and outlaw the alternatives.
 
Re: Neutron?

That's not what I think is the answer to every problem; this is my point about people like you reading what I post and reading things into it that are not there.
 
Originally posted by millerbleach:
Originally posted by wcowherd:

Let's take your two examples. CFL lights and LED lights are market based solutions to terribly inefficient incandescent lamps and toilets that use less water are super common overseas and are making their way over to the U.S. Because people hate paying for water.

This is thread just proves you have no idea what your talking about.
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You think government mandated products are market based! And you say I have no idea!!!!!

Ifg these products were as great as you say, the government wouldn't have to mandate them and outlaw the alternatives.
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Your post has a fundamental idea in it that is just wrong - the free market always results in the "right" outcome. People make really lousy choices all the time that can be prevented with little/no other consequences. One of the things the government can do very well is encourage better behavior by eliminating choices which are terrible answers for everyone. Think of things like:

- Having a food and drug supply which is safe from pathogens
- Having building codes that limit housing fires
- Not allowing banks to offer predatory loans or to discriminate against minorities
- Limiting pollution

This is a good use of government. The key thing is it has to be about correcting where the market actually fails, not just focused on promoting outcomes we find more desirable.

Also, to the extent you can promote better behavior with positive nudges, that should be done first. For example, allowing for autoenrollment in 401(k)s with a participant opt out available is a better idea than mandating that people must save X% of pay. Think about taxing gasoline as well - it encourages people to buy more efficient automobiles without having a mandate that you can't sell an automobile that only gets 8 miles per gallon. These are better options than banning or mandating things.
This post was edited on 2/5 9:47 AM by Neutron Monster
 
Neither product is mandated...You can still (stupidly) buy incandescent light bulbs or toilets that use an inordinate amount of water if you want.
 
Originally posted by Neutron Monster:


Your post has a fundamental idea in it that is just wrong - the free market always results in the "right" outcome. People make really lousy choices all the time that can be prevented with little/no other consequences. One of the things the government can do very well is encourage better behavior by eliminating choices which are terrible answers for everyone. Think of things like:

- Having a food and drug supply which is safe from pathogens
- Having building codes that limit housing fires
- Not allowing banks to offer predatory loans or to discriminate against minorities
- Limiting pollution

This is a good use of government. The key thing is it has to be about correcting where the market actually fails, not just focused on promoting outcomes we find more desirable.

Also, to the extent you can promote better behavior with positive nudges, that should be done first. For example, allowing for autoenrollment in 401(k)s with a participant opt out available is a better idea than mandating that people must save X% of pay. Think about taxing gasoline as well - it encourages people to buy more efficient automobiles without having a mandate that you can't sell an automobile that only gets 8 miles per gallon. These are better options than banning or mandating things.
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"Encourage positive behavior" and "positive nudges"!! I can't imagine how you would say it if you WERE a government solution guy.
 
Originally posted by wcowherd:
Neither product is mandated...You can still (stupidly) buy incandescent light bulbs or toilets that use an inordinate amount of water if you want.
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Really? Where? I need a couple toilets and can't find any of the "stupid" ones. I also am running low on my high light low efficiency bulbs.

While it is possible to buy an incandescent bulb you can't get 100, 75, 60, or 40 watt bulbs.
New toilets can only use 1.6 gallons max. The use to be 13 gallons. My well will be fine either way so I prefer to flush the first try.
 
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