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Is going to be an interesting candidate to watch. Not sure I thought we'd see William Jennings Bryan running for the Republican nomination in 2016.

All in on no cuts to Medicare and anti-free trade. Quite a contrast to the rest of the field.
 
Dang it! I swear I didn't read this before I posted about him in the Dr. Carson thread!
I could handle him. I have often enjoyed listening to him in the debates.
 
I recognized the name, but didn't know much about him. He actually has strong name recognition for a 2 term congressman and 1 term Secretary of State. I realize there were the 3 failed Presidential runs, which made his name more recognizable, but it's interesting to look at the actual list of offices he held.
 
I really admired Huckabee during his first presidential run despite disagreeing with his social views. However his tone changed when he went Fox on us. He became cynical and negative like the rest. I could not vote for him.
 
Duck_walk said:
I really admired Huckabee during his first presidential run despite disagreeing with his social views. However his tone changed when he went Fox on us. He became cynical and negative like the rest. I could not vote for him.
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I think he's running as the same candidate he was in 2008. That's why I am intrigued to see how his campaign goes.

I can't think of a Republican who is less likely to get billionaire donor $$$ than him. It's a test for the power of the rural, evangelical, lower middle class/middle class white vote in the Republican Party.
 
Expect2Win said:
I recognized the name, but didn't know much about him. He actually has strong name recognition for a 2 term congressman and 1 term Secretary of State. I realize there were the 3 failed Presidential runs, which made his name more recognizable, but it's interesting to look at the actual list of offices he held.
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On of the more fascinating politicians in US history. A major factor in the post-Reconstruction pre-WWI United States. His opposition to big business was a major factor in the Republicans consolidating control of the business wing (control they maintain to this day). It also helped solidify the poor, rural Southern white vote for Democrats (vote they lost in the 1960s-1990s.)

This is what is totally fascinating about Huckabee - these groups are not natural allies. In fact, it's hard to come up with a Republican whose political beliefs could be further from the business wing.
 
Neutron Monster said:
I think he's running as the same candidate he was in 2008. That's why I am intrigued to see how his campaign goes.

I can't think of a Republican who is less likely to get billionaire donor $$$ than him. It's a test for the power of the rural, evangelical, lower middle class/middle class white vote in the Republican Party.
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Really odd how you guys are touting the Fox News/Evangelical/White guy. He won't get as many votes as Carson......who you dismiss.....from evangelicals or in general.
 
millerbleach said:
Really odd how you guys are touting the Fox News/Evangelical/White guy. He won't get as many votes as Carson......who you dismiss.....from evangelicals or in general.
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"Carson said that he found the "concept of for profits for the insurance companies" absurd. He continued, "The first thing we need to do is get rid of for-profit insurance companies. We have a lack of policies and we need to make the government responsible for catastrophic health care"
 
Veer2Eternity said:
"Carson said that he found the "concept of for profits for the insurance companies" absurd. He continued, "The first thing we need to do is get rid of for-profit insurance companies. We have a lack of policies and we need to make the government responsible for catastrophic health care"
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Veer, for someone who thinks Dr. Carson has no chance, you seem to be intimidated by him. Why else would you keep posting something you perceive to be negative, that he said 20 years ago?
 
ag-man said:
Veer, for someone who thinks Dr. Carson has no chance, you seem to be intimidated by him. Why else would you keep posting something you perceive to be negative, that he said 20 years ago?
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Just pointing out how he's a typical republiberalcan.

Maybe for once the GOP can run a conservative? BY DEED not word.
 
millerbleach said:
Really odd how you guys are touting the Fox News/Evangelical/White guy. He won't get as many votes as Carson......who you dismiss.....from evangelicals or in general.
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I think you overstate Carson and understate huckabee. Huckabee is an excellent campaigner and he won Iowa 8 years ago. He is likely to do well there again. I think his real stumbling potential is money.

What's interesting about Mike is he is not at all running a tea party/right wing fantasy campaign. He's running as a unique candidate when compared to every single other person in the primary.

I've said it before - he is really, really far from my beliefs, but I do think he is principled and I understand why people vote for him.

Carson, on the other hand, is the flavor of the month with no real shot at winning anything. He will have a good polling wave at some point and then fall off the map.
 
ag-man said:
Veer, for someone who thinks Dr. Carson has no chance, you seem to be intimidated by him. Why else would you keep posting something you perceive to be negative, that he said 20 years ago?
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We both know what he said 20 years ago is what he believes in his heart as a doctor. The 180 he has taken now is simply to run for office and "fit in". That's not being a man of principle. That's the opposite.
 
Duck_walk said:
We both know what he said 20 years ago is what he believes in his heart as a doctor. The 180 he has taken now is simply to run for office and "fit in". That's not being a man of principle. That's the opposite.
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Now Duck,
We all know people change in 20 years. My gosh, Obama evolved his thinking on gay marriage in just a year or two. ;)
 
ag-man said:
Now Duck,
We all know people change in 20 years. My gosh, Obama evolved his thinking on gay marriage in just a year or two. ;)
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He flipflopped like the talk about Hillary recently.

Was he for it before he was against it?
 
ag-man said:
Now Duck,
We all know people change in 20 years. My gosh, Obama evolved his thinking on gay marriage in just a year or two. ;)
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Gay marriage, who cares? That is the most overdiscussed, irrelevant topic in politics.

Universal health care and eliminating for profit health insurance is a core belief that you don't "evolve" your thinking about. That's like saying you "changed your mind on abortion". Come on man.
 
Duck_walk said:
Gay marriage, who cares? That is the most overdiscussed, irrelevant topic in politics.

Universal health care and eliminating for profit health insurance is a core belief that you don't "evolve" your thinking about. That's like saying you "changed your mind on abortion". Come on man.
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So you can change your mind on gay marriage but not abortion? I guess I don't understand your thought process?
 
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So you can change your mind on gay marriage but not abortion? I guess I don't understand your thought process?
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A lot of people have been fine with gay people living as couples for a long time. It's not some earth shattering change to say gay marriage is OK. If u say women who get abortions are murderers and then you switch to, "I'm fine with the woman's right to choose...." that's one hell of a sudden transition, a 180. Similarly, if you say the government should control healthcare and for profit health insurance is the devil and now you are saying universal health care will ruin the world, that's not an evolution , that's a 180 change to please others.
 
Neutron Monster said:
On of the more fascinating politicians in US history. A major factor in the post-Reconstruction pre-WWI United States. His opposition to big business was a major factor in the Republicans consolidating control of the business wing (control they maintain to this day). It also helped solidify the poor, rural Southern white vote for Democrats (vote they lost in the 1960s-1990s.)

This is what is totally fascinating about Huckabee - these groups are not natural allies. In fact, it's hard to come up with a Republican whose political beliefs could be further from the business wing.
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Can you imagine someone having 3 failed presidential campaigns in this day. They are the ultimate one and dones these days.
I will spend more time learning about him next week.
 
Veer2Eternity said:
"Carson said that he found the "concept of for profits for the insurance companies" absurd. He continued, "The first thing we need to do is get rid of for-profit insurance companies. We have a lack of policies and we need to make the government responsible for catastrophic health care"
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That has absolutely nothing to do with what I said though.

I have said many times the real cause of high medical expenses is insurance but I wouldn't ban it. Having government healthcare is not the answer either. Making people pay for their own would greatly reduce prices and unnecessary tests and treatments. Competition would be reintroduced and that too would reduce prices.

You really have it bad for Carson to make a 20 year old comment a response to a post about the viability of Huckabee.
 
Neutron Monster said:
I think you overstate Carson and understate huckabee. Huckabee is an excellent campaigner and he won Iowa 8 years ago. He is likely to do well there again. I think his real stumbling potential is money.

What's interesting about Mike is he is not at all running a tea party/right wing fantasy campaign. He's running as a unique candidate when compared to every single other person in the primary.

I've said it before - he is really, really far from my beliefs, but I do think he is principled and I understand why people vote for him.

Carson, on the other hand, is the flavor of the month with no real shot at winning anything. He will have a good polling wave at some point and then fall off the map.
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Once again you are reitterating your disdain for non establishment candidates. Your choice.
 
Duck_walk said:
Gay marriage, who cares? That is the most overdiscussed, irrelevant topic in politics.

Universal health care and eliminating for profit health insurance is a core belief that you don't "evolve" your thinking about. That's like saying you "changed your mind on abortion". Come on man.
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Maybe to you but both abortion and homosexuality are moral things. Healthcare is a practical thing. There would be nothing immoral about government healthcare! It is a choice about individual responsibility and personal freedom.
 
That quote by veer is an example of my point in the other thread - Carson is running as a caricature of
Expect2Win said:
Can you imagine someone having 3 failed presidential campaigns in this day. They are the ultimate one and dones these days.
I will spend more time learning about him next week.
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Admittedly I hoped one of Romney, gore, or Kerry ran this year so we could see how donors and voters treat failed former candidates.
 
millerbleach said:
That has absolutely nothing to do with what I said though.

I have said many times the real cause of high medical expenses is insurance but I wouldn't ban it. Having government healthcare is not the answer either. Making people pay for their own would greatly reduce prices and unnecessary tests and treatments. Competition would be reintroduced and that too would reduce prices.

You really have it bad for Carson to make a 20 year old comment a response to a post about the viability of Huckabee.
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What's really funny is you are describing the rationale for supporting the obamacare individual market.
 
millerbleach said:
Really odd how you guys are touting the Fox News/Evangelical/White guy. He won't get as many votes as Carson......who you dismiss.....from evangelicals or in general.
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Um, huckabee won Iowa in 08. You really think Ben Carson will win major primary state? I'll lay money down that he won't.
 
New to this board? As long as Ron Paul is still breathing, that is who he will want to be president.
 
wcowherd said:
Um, huckabee won Iowa in 08. You really think Ben Carson will win major primary state? I'll lay money down that he won't.
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The field is too large to predict ANY candidate will win ANY primary. I would wager if it were reasonable to expect it could be collected that Carson will beat Huckabee in Iowa though. I think Santorum won Iowa last time but wouldn't expect that this time. 2008 is irrelevant.
 
There is no reason to debate the candidates at this time because the supreme court has made sure that the people only get to vote on who the richest 1% want us to choose which will be H. Clinton who clearly has more money than any other Dem and whoever the Koch brothers and their cronies decide to back. Then we can pick between the 2 poisons we want.
 
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millerbleach said:
The field is too large to predict ANY candidate will win ANY primary. I would wager if it were reasonable to expect it could be collected that Carson will beat Huckabee in Iowa though. I think Santorum won Iowa last time but wouldn't expect that this time. 2008 is irrelevant.
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I feel pretty confident in saying that Bush will win a primary state.

Yes, history is irrelevant. Good call.

It's too bad. I'd get to prove you wrong and collect your money.
 
millerbleach said:
The field is too large to predict ANY candidate will win ANY primary. I would wager if it were reasonable to expect it could be collected that Carson will beat Huckabee in Iowa though. I think Santorum won Iowa last time but wouldn't expect that this time. 2008 is irrelevant.
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I would wager money that huckabee crushes Carson in Iowa. There is almost no better state, electorally, for Huckabee than Iowa. Closed caucus with over 50 percent evangelical white voters. More rural and older than the national averages for R voters. That is the dream state for Huck.

Santorum is also proof of why Huckabee will beat Carson - Santorum and Huckabee have the same voter base! Iowa is won by white evangelicals.
 
wcowherd said:
I feel pretty confident in saying that Bush will win a primary state.

Yes, history is irrelevant. Good call.

It's too bad. I'd get to prove you wrong and collect your money.
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I could see bush not winning a state. he won't win Iowa. If he loses NH to walker or Rubio he will be in a tough spot.
 
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