I totally agree. A team that plays defense for 40 seconds (or whatever the decided time) should be rewarded. They shouldn't have to "play defense" for 3 minutes because the other team has a bunch of slow unathletic kids that are making a mockery of the game and boring everyone to tears trying to make it look like the game their great grandpa used to play so that they can try to win 13-11.
HS Shot Clock
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take the ball away from those "slow unathletic kids" and you don't have to play defense for three minutes. I have no problem with team that want to fly up and down the court but that does not mean that the other way is wrong. Its not a "mockery of the game" I have seen plenty of teams that could not "hold" the ball that long because they are not fundamentally sound enough to do so. The faster game will allow them to use their athletic ability to overcome those short comings. Why not let both sides do it they way they want, the way it is now?
So in baseball we should probably give batters a 4" barrel too because strikeouts and groundouts and popups are boring...you want entertained more go by 2K on Xbox 
I for one hope this doesn't change.
I for one hope this doesn't change.First of all, I did not say to ban a zone. I was just adding to this nonsense. My point was if a team would come out and pressure the ball and play defense, a team wouldn't be able to stall. In the two times I held the ball, both teams were in a zone. Both times, the defense stood and looked at us as we held the ball at half court. One of the two times, the team we were playing literally stood with their hands on their hips looking at us. So who is at fault? The offense for executing a strategy of pulling an opponent out of a zone? Or the defense for standing and not playing defense (when they were down 20)? My theory is if teams would play defense than teams wouldn't be able to stand and hold the ball. If a team is disciplined enough to hold the ball, then hold it if you want. Most teams don't hold the ball that long anyway. If a team holds the ball, then come out and apply pressure on defense to get the offense to shoot quicker or to force turnovers. Don't blame the offense for holding the ball when a defense won't defend. Coaches aren't here to entertain. Here to win games. Coaches don't keep jobs because they are entertaining.
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baseball is a terrible example of your point - they lowered the mound because scoring was too low.So in baseball we should probably give batters a 4" barrel too because strikeouts and groundouts and popups are boring...you want entertained more go by 2K on Xbox
You're making my point for me - the rules should force a team that wants to win to have to try on offense on a regular basis. I don't blame coaches for what they do. I would do the same thing. I think they shouldn't have the option to do that is all.
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Best part of baseball...no clock. Gotta get 3 outs, no avoiding it...but maybe they should ban the intentional walk?
A mockery of the game is playing out of control, unorganized basketball. Like I said, play defense and a team wouldn't have to play defense for 3 minutes. If my team was on defense for 3 minutes, I wouldn't call that defense. If I win 13-11, so be it. A shot clock does not in any way reward a defense. All it does it speed the game up. I can play defense right now for 40 seconds (just once at my age lol). Not to mention on the public school level (where we can't recruit) we have to play with the kids that attend our district. So some years we may be athletic enough to get up and down the floor. On other years, we may have to slow down and control the tempo at a slower pace. Like I said before, most teams look to score in less than 40 seconds anyway. When a team has a lead, they earned the lead. So if they want to hold the ball, then make your guys play defense.
I am not here for your entertainment. If you aren't entertained, then don't go.
If I have a lead, I obviously "tried" on offense. My point is if I have a lead, a big enough lead then I am going to make someone defend. I am going to burn the clock and take the highest percentage shots the defense allows.
Holy cow. I hope for my own sanity a jerk fan signed up to parody an arrogant coach. Otherwise, I'm left infer that the game is all about the coach. I always thought there were a few that felt that way, but I'm rather surprised to find one that feels so strongly about it that they are taking the time to publicly insist that's the case.
For my own well being, I'm just going to assume it's a jerk fan trying to be funny. ...
They only enjoy shooting and scoring, or attempting to? I'm shocked. Such a strange view for a kid or parent to have in 2016.
No, they enjoy actually playing instead of watching paint dry. The shot clock forces action and engagement
MLB put a pitch clock in the minor leagues and continues to take actions to speed up the pace of play.Best part of baseball...no clock. Gotta get 3 outs, no avoiding it...but maybe they should ban the intentional walk?
They should let a team say 'we want to intentionally walk the batter' and not go through the charade of throwing 4 balls.
So does pressure defense. But lemme guess...that's not fun?
Your logic makes no sense. The shot clock is all about rewarding the defense and punishing an offense that takes forever. Have you ever watched basketball at the collegiate or professional level?
Teams should be allowed to run whatever D and O they please. They just shouldn't be able to hold the ball forever and ever without doing anything. This isn't soccer.
They won't be allowed to if you guard them. We'll agree to disagree. I get your point, just don't agree.
THANK YOU. Blaming the team on offense for holding the ball? I am glad you see my point. If someone is holding the ball on us, we will apply pressure to make the offense shoot a low percentage shot or turn the ball over. I don't sit back and say we need a shot clock so teams don't stall. Play some defense.
So defend and earn the ball back. Don't rely on a shot clock to help you.
You are comparing an apple to an orange. Two different sports, two different sets of rules. A team don't score X amount of runs and then we get to switch sides. The offense is going to hit until the defense stops them 3 times.
I was addressing a point from above. I agree there is a difference because stalling in baseball is not really a tactic in most cases, it's just a slow pitcher.
So defend and make me attempt a shot or make me turn it over. Don't rely on a shot clock to bail you out.
I know you're not joking, but that's absurd. What do the players get out of this in terms of education or enjoyment?
The stall offense is horrendous and it should be legislated out of basketball.
I don't know of any schools that rehire coaches on education and enjoyment (although I believe they should take that into consideration and not just focus on wins and losses). As I have said time and time again. If you don't like for a team to stall, then make them play. Make them take a shot or turn the ball over by playing DEFENSE. Don't rely on a rule to bail you out when you are just there for education and enjoyment.
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The shot clock bails teams out who aren't good defensively. If we are good enough defensively, then we will force a team to shoot or turn it over long before a shot clock horn goes off. We don't need a shot clock to bail us out.
I guess it is the world we live in now. Need a crutch to help us out instead of making it happen.
Standing at watching a team hold the ball and then wait for time to run down is a crutch.
I have no problem with a coach stalling now. It's legal. Coaches have to do their job to try to win.
That's why I want a shot clock - make it so that they have to come up with a strategy that is better for the game for the players.
I have no idea why someone who likes basketball is excited by the idea of watching teams not play basketball.
Here's my take. It's much more difficult to stall than to apply pressure defense so a team doesn't stall. You don't like it as a fan. I understand that. I love great defensive games. Games where teams are well disciplined and well coached. My take is if a team is stalling, then pressure the heck out of them so they have to shoot or turn the ball over. Like I said, in my opinion the shot clock bails a defense out because they know the clock with run down. I want player who get after it on the defensive end and force bad offense and turnovers. I don't want to see an offense hurry up to beat a clock every 40 seconds or so. Not to mention, as I have said before I don't know of many teams who run offense past 40 seconds anyway. So a shot clock isn't needed. If a coach holds the ball like I seen last night, almost pulled off an upset of a #1 seed team in districts. His team was beat 30 the two previous times they played. He slowed the game down and held the ball. Lost by 11 but gave his kids a chance to win because the two previous times they played they lost by 30. So I don't see how the game is all about a coach when in this case he gave his less talented, not as skilled players a chance to win. If he plays the same style as he did the previous two games, they probably get the same result in a 30 point loss. In this case he gave his players confidence in their play by changing style of play for one game to keep the game close enough to give them a shot at the end of the game. His players end their season with an 11 point loss vs a 30 point beat down. If there is a shot clock, they probably get beat 30 because his team is less talented. So in this case there is education and learning behind slowing the game down. In life these kids will have to do a job someday and will have to follow a philosophy. They will need to be disciplined in following a plan. His players did just that last night. It beats getting beat by 30. It's not a fan favorite but his job is to find a way to win and he almost did just that because there was not a shot clock.
You are looking at it from a fan's point of view. I understand and respect that. But from a coaches point of view it makes sense to hold the ball at times when you may not have a chance to win due to undersized, less athletic, or less skilled. In high school athletics we have to play the kids that are enrolled in our school. We can't recruit our style. Therefore sometimes we have to play uptempo and sometimes we have to slow it down.
I know some players like the idea of whatever strategy gives them the best chance to win. The learning experience for a player who don't like the idea of holding the ball would be if my coach tells me to do it, than I will. In life, a boss will tell them to do something they may not want to do but they will have to do it.
We aren't going to agree. U like the shot clock in HS basketball and I don't. I have my reasons from a coaches standpoint of the best chance to be successful. You said u are looking at it from a fan and a player's point of view.
If we ever play and u are in the gym, I will make sure we hold the ball. I will use whatever strategy I can to give my players the best chance to be successful. If it's the transition style offense we will do it. If it's hold the ball, then by all means we will hold it. I don't think it's right to have a rule that tells me I can't use a strategy that may make my team successful. A shot clock in HS basketball I will never vote yes. We are here to win games not please the fans. This is HS athletics not college or NBA. Kids, not professional athletes. Professional athletes are paid to entertain. HS athletes are playing to learn discipline, work ethic, teamwork, and how to be successful along with several other life skills.
Have a great day and best of luck to you.
