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Howard Schultz for President...Independent

I could vote for him if he runs as a democrat otherwise it's a vote for t rump just like you people that wouldn't vote for Clinton. By voting for an Independent you are voting for the scumbag.

If he runs as a Democrat I would vote for Trump. I heard that Clinton is thinking of running now in 2020 as she feels vindicated with all this stuff coming out on Russia. With Pelosi back in power and everybody saying that Russia put the fix in on the election the Dems have learned nothing and are back to being the Left leaning pro big business, screw the little guy that they were in the past.
 
I could vote for him if he runs as a democrat otherwise it's a vote for t rump just like you people that wouldn't vote for Clinton. By voting for an Independent you are voting for the scumbag.

By voting for an independent, Libertarian, Green, Constitution, or Socialist, you're trying to avoid voting for EITHER scumbag. Clinton isn't/wasn't the lesser of two evils. To quote Gary Johnson, the lesser of two evils is still evil; the only wasted vote is a vote you dont believe in.

Why should I vote Clinton if I dont believe in her?
 
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If he runs as a Democrat I would vote for Trump. I heard that Clinton is thinking of running now in 2020 as she feels vindicated with all this stuff coming out on Russia. With Pelosi back in power and everybody saying that Russia put the fix in on the election the Dems have learned nothing and are back to being the Left leaning pro big business, screw the little guy that they were in the past.
I believe Mueller is going to file a big report that says the Russia-Trump collusion story is nothing but a big left wing nothingburger,,,,going to be very hard for any democrat to fight back when Trump starts throwing it all back in their faces
 
I believe Mueller is going to file a big report that says the Russia-Trump collusion story is nothing but a big left wing nothingburger,,,,going to be very hard for any democrat to fight back when Trump starts throwing it all back in their faces
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I believe Mueller is going to file a big report that says the Russia-Trump collusion story is nothing but a big left wing nothingburger,,,,going to be very hard for any democrat to fight back when Trump starts throwing it all back in their faces
What have you seen to come to that conclusion? It may never get to Trump but it sure could get to people close to him. I don't know of anyone that has said TRUMP did all this stuff but many have said people in his campaign did. If Trump has legal issues here I'd bet on it being a money issues more than anything else.
 
If he runs as a Democrat I would vote for Trump. I heard that Clinton is thinking of running now in 2020 as she feels vindicated with all this stuff coming out on Russia. With Pelosi back in power and everybody saying that Russia put the fix in on the election the Dems have learned nothing and are back to being the Left leaning pro big business, screw the little guy that they were in the past.
Every time they waste time showing her on TV she has said no to the question of running again.
 
What have you seen to come to that conclusion? It may never get to Trump but it sure could get to people close to him. I don't know of anyone that has said TRUMP did all this stuff but many have said people in his campaign did. If Trump has legal issues here I'd bet on it being a money issues more than anything else.
The only thing to support outsideveers claim is that there has been NOTHING to say otherwise.
The only thing to support your claim is liberal breathlessness at nothing.
 
Every time they waste time showing her on TV she has said no to the question of running again.

All I know is after watching the Dems and listening to what that leadership has said and the insults they have hurled at Schultz it only reaffirms there is no way I could vote for any of them at this point. Even the Media has lost their minds on this. They are so worried about him splitting the Democratic ticket down the middle, instead they need to be focused on why that is.... They have not learned their lesson on why the lost the middle class yet. All they want to do is blame Russia for putting the fix in on the votes, which nobody has found any evidence yet that Russia changed a single vote during the election.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/30/politics/howard-schultz-2020-race-donald-trump/index.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/20...not-democrat-surprised-party-backlash-n964476
 
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The only thing to support outsideveers claim is that there has been NOTHING to say otherwise.
The only thing to support your claim is liberal breathlessness at nothing.
Once again you seem to think Mueller is going to tell all of us what he has on everybody he's been looking at. Like I said I can't say if anything gets to Trump himself but it sure could get very close. The probe was started to see if his 'campaign' did any colluding with Russia, not just Trump personally. We'll see where it all goes when Mueller is ready to tell us. That is if the new AG has any interest in allowing it to be made public, or even giving it ALL to congress with no redactions.
 
If he runs as a Democrat I would vote for Trump. I heard that Clinton is thinking of running now in 2020 as she feels vindicated with all this stuff coming out on Russia. With Pelosi back in power and everybody saying that Russia put the fix in on the election the Dems have learned nothing and are back to being the Left leaning pro big business, screw the little guy that they were in the past.
NO one has said the Russians made Trump win. They DO say the Russians DID mess with our election process, not at the ballot box but in trying to influence voters via social media. We'll never know how many votes that may have changed. We better be making sure they don't get into the voting system and actually change votes next time around.
 
I could vote for him if he runs as a democrat otherwise it's a vote for t rump just like you people that wouldn't vote for Clinton. By voting for an Independent you are voting for the scumbag.
I'm kinda in the same camp Sad. The numbers on an independent's chances of winning are not good. He could sure enough take enough votes to make sure Trump wins. He has some good ideas from what I've heard so far. You can't tax rich folks into oblivion to pay for medicare and free college for all. He also has a point about trying to eliminate the health insurance industry. That would put MILLIONS of people out of a job. Not to mention that insurance companies own dang near everything in this country in some fashion. You can get a policy with some company name on it you think is independent but when you get the paper work it will show one of about 3 or 4 of the giant company's name on it. I lived next door to retired school teach turned state rep for years and he told me he had NO idea how much insurance companies own in this state and the country until he went to Jeff City.
 
I'm kinda in the same camp Sad. The numbers on an independent's chances of winning are not good. He could sure enough take enough votes to make sure Trump wins. He has some good ideas from what I've heard so far. You can't tax rich folks into oblivion to pay for medicare and free college for all. He also has a point about trying to eliminate the health insurance industry. That would put MILLIONS of people out of a job. Not to mention that insurance companies own dang near everything in this country in some fashion. You can get a policy with some company name on it you think is independent but when you get the paper work it will show one of about 3 or 4 of the giant company's name on it. I lived next door to retired school teach turned state rep for years and he told me he had NO idea how much insurance companies own in this state and the country until he went to Jeff City.

How come most people think he would only take votes away from Democrats? Some of what he says reminds me of a republican? The Dems have moved so far to the left and the Pubs are so far to the right that I don't fit in either one.

I want better border security with Mexico, because if they are going to let these caravans cross their country unchecked to our border that means we need to beef up ours. If that means adding more fence or barrier so be it, but I think we need to ask those watching over the border what they need to actually do their job everyday. But I don't agree with the Pelosi democrats that by better protecting our borders that we are being inhuman.

Once the border is secure, I would like to see those already here illegally be able to work towards a path of citizenship in a reasonable time, if they don't want to become citizens then the need to leave.

I don't want to tax the crap out of the rich but I would like to see the tax code improved and our budget balanced, even if that means raising the taxes. Put higher taxes on corporations that don't pay a living wage or ship jobs overseas, We only give them tax cuts for actually investing in their employees that work and live here be it higher wages or health insurance.

limit the profit of health insurance companies, anything over that needs to be reinvested in driving down health care premiums for all. We have so many profiting in the healthcare business this would be a start in helping drive down prices. It is not rocket science to run a health insurance business, take peoples premiums make sure those premiums are protected and there when they need them, pay yourself a decent wage for doing that.
 
How come most people think he would only take votes away from Democrats? Some of what he says reminds me of a republican? The Dems have moved so far to the left and the Pubs are so far to the right that I don't fit in either one.

I want better border security with Mexico, because if they are going to let these caravans cross their country unchecked to our border that means we need to beef up ours. If that means adding more fence or barrier so be it, but I think we need to ask those watching over the border what they need to actually do their job everyday. But I don't agree with the Pelosi democrats that by better protecting our borders that we are being inhuman.

Once the border is secure, I would like to see those already here illegally be able to work towards a path of citizenship in a reasonable time, if they don't want to become citizens then the need to leave.

I don't want to tax the crap out of the rich but I would like to see the tax code improved and our budget balanced, even if that means raising the taxes. Put higher taxes on corporations that don't pay a living wage or ship jobs overseas, We only give them tax cuts for actually investing in their employees that work and live here be it higher wages or health insurance.

limit the profit of health insurance companies, anything over that needs to be reinvested in driving down health care premiums for all. We have so many profiting in the healthcare business this would be a start in helping drive down prices. It is not rocket science to run a health insurance business, take peoples premiums make sure those premiums are protected and there when they need them, pay yourself a decent wage for doing that.
Why don't you just run for prez. You know as much as the clown in office right now. That's not a compliment by the way.
 
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Why dont you post something constructive instead of picking at people?

He is like Duck basically cannot think on their own, they need Pelosi to tell them what they think. After I called Duck out about offering any insight of his own he just quit posting...If it cannot be copied and pasted or thrown out as an insult they have nothing to offer.
 
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Why don't you just run for prez. You know as much as the clown in office right now. That's not a compliment by the way.
I would say bullet knows more and would make a better Pres. In fact almost everybody on this board would be better. My lord the man is calling out his hand picked Republican confirmed intelligence people claiming he knows more about national security than them. He is simply not qualified to run this country and at some point will be responsible for getting Americans killed
 
I would say bullet knows more and would make a better Pres. In fact almost everybody on this board would be better. My lord the man is calling out his hand picked Republican confirmed intelligence people claiming he knows more about national security than them. He is simply not qualified to run this country and at some point will be responsible for getting Americans killed
How many Americans were Killed while Bush and Obama were in office compared to Trump???
 
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I would say bullet knows more and would make a better Pres. In fact almost everybody on this board would be better. My lord the man is calling out his hand picked Republican confirmed intelligence people claiming he knows more about national security than them. He is simply not qualified to run this country and at some point will be responsible for getting Americans killed

Yeah I cannot disagree with any of that, if you ask him he is the smartest man in the room. Pelosi took it to him in the shutdown, He is use to throwing money at people to get things done....and well that would have worked with Pelosi if he was a lobbyist but he is the president.

I really wanted the Dems to learn a lesson on why they lost the election, which is because the lost the middle class. They support things like NAFTA and other job killing agenda's. Obama came out against Nafta but caved once in office, he had a chance to go after true health care reform but instead only offered forced mandatory insurance for all as he caved to the big insurance companies.

I knew as soon as the Dems started pointing the finger at the Russians as the reason why they lost the election they would not change and did not want to change. They all have their heads in the sand, that is why I like Schultz he realizes that the Dems are flawed....along with the Pubs.
 
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I would say bullet knows more and would make a better Pres. In fact almost everybody on this board would be better. My lord the man is calling out his hand picked Republican confirmed intelligence people claiming he knows more about national security than them. He is simply not qualified to run this country and at some point will be responsible for getting Americans killed
Clinton Bush and Obama for 24 years listening to our security experts in foreign intelligence experts to determine our policy toward North Korea and their nuclear programs . All three presidential policies toward North Korea were complete and total failures and allowed North Korea to become a nuclear state with ballistic missiles . Obviously all of the experts for 24 years didn't have a clue to what they were doing .

I don't see how President Trump could do any worse no matter what he does
 
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The Dems have moved so far to the left and the Pubs are so far to the right that I don't fit in either one.

I want better border security with Mexico, because if they are going to let these caravans cross their country unchecked to our border that means we need to beef up ours. If that means adding more fence or barrier so be it, but I think we need to ask those watching over the border what they need to actually do their job everyday. But I don't agree with the Pelosi democrats that by better protecting our borders that we are being inhuman.

Once the border is secure, I would like to see those already here illegally be able to work towards a path of citizenship in a reasonable time, if they don't want to become citizens then the need to leave.

I would like to know what ways you think Pubs have moved to the right. I personally think they have moved left. They aren't nearly as responsible fiscally as they were and are more open to liberal social policy. They couldn't even take healthcare back from the socialist form Obama established.
 
How come most people think he would only take votes away from Democrats? Some of what he says reminds me of a republican? The Dems have moved so far to the left and the Pubs are so far to the right that I don't fit in either one.

I want better border security with Mexico, because if they are going to let these caravans cross their country unchecked to our border that means we need to beef up ours. If that means adding more fence or barrier so be it, but I think we need to ask those watching over the border what they need to actually do their job everyday. But I don't agree with the Pelosi democrats that by better protecting our borders that we are being inhuman.

Once the border is secure, I would like to see those already here illegally be able to work towards a path of citizenship in a reasonable time, if they don't want to become citizens then the need to leave.

I don't want to tax the crap out of the rich but I would like to see the tax code improved and our budget balanced, even if that means raising the taxes. Put higher taxes on corporations that don't pay a living wage or ship jobs overseas, We only give them tax cuts for actually investing in their employees that work and live here be it higher wages or health insurance.

limit the profit of health insurance companies, anything over that needs to be reinvested in driving down health care premiums for all. We have so many profiting in the healthcare business this would be a start in helping drive down prices. It is not rocket science to run a health insurance business, take peoples premiums make sure those premiums are protected and there when they need them, pay yourself a decent wage for doing that.
Why just limit the profit of insurance companies?? If we are going to go that direction we should limit the profits and wages of hospitals, doctors, drug companies, nurses, anyone connected to healthcare
 
What have you seen to come to that conclusion? It may never get to Trump but it sure could get to people close to him. I don't know of anyone that has said TRUMP did all this stuff but many have said people in his campaign did. If Trump has legal issues here I'd bet on it being a money issues more than anything else.
Well when Mueller issued his indictments against all the Russians for trying to influence the election he specifically said that no Americans were knowingly involved .

I would think that's a good start to nothingburger recipe
 
Why just limit the profit of insurance companies?? If we are going to go that direction we should limit the profits and wages of hospitals, doctors, drug companies, nurses, anyone connected to healthcare

Actually you should not need insurance just to afford to go to the doctor, what people don't understand is insurance is what actually drives health cost up. I think you need catastrophic insurance. But just to see the doctor about a cold should not cost over $200. But insurance drives that cost up.
 
Well when Mueller issued his indictments against all the Russians for trying to influence the election he specifically said that no Americans were knowingly involved .

I would think that's a good start to nothingburger recipe
On those specific indictments. I'll wait the for the final report the final report.
 
I would like to know what ways you think Pubs have moved to the right. I personally think they have moved left. They aren't nearly as responsible fiscally as they were and are more open to liberal social policy. They couldn't even take healthcare back from the socialist form Obama established.

To many times Pubs want to tell other people how they should be living their life when if you pulled back the curtain you would see that they have just as many sins and flaws and should worry more about themselves. I think a true Republican should believe in freedom for all with limited laws and limited government intervention in your right to practice what you want as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others, just as the founding fathers envisioned free of religion persecution and laws.
 
To many times Pubs want to tell other people how they should be living their life when if you pulled back the curtain you would see that they have just as many sins and flaws and should worry more about themselves. I think a true Republican should believe in freedom for all with limited laws and limited government intervention in your right to practice what you want as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others, just as the founding fathers envisioned free of religion persecution and laws.

Those are Libertarians today. You described the libertarian platform almost word for word.
 
To many times Pubs want to tell other people how they should be living their life when if you pulled back the curtain you would see that they have just as many sins and flaws and should worry more about themselves.
Too vague. Specifics please.
Name ways the Pubs have moved right.
I would argue they have moved left.
 
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Too vague. Specifics please.
Name ways the Pubs have moved right.
I would argue they have moved left.

Whatever side you want to say is fine by me but they no longer practice what the preach.

And how is that to vague? Is that not what they do, Stay out of others lives if it does not infringe on you!!!
 
Whatever side you want to say is fine by me but they no longer practice what the preach.

And how is that to vague? Is that not what they do, Stay out of others lives if it does not infringe on you!!!
Since you won't name anything let me guess. Keep in mind i'm guessing not accusing.
Transgenders? Homosexuals? Abortion?

I wouldn't think wanting Tranys to use the restroom of their biology would be "telling people how to live" unless you have no problem with a man using the restroom with you wife.
Saying homosexuals shouldn't be a protected class isn't butting in is it?
Wanting each state to make their own abortion policy (eliminating Roe vs Wade) is not telling people how to live, it's giving each state more choice.

I wouldn't call any of those a move to the right though.If you meant something else, i'm sorry.
 
Since you won't name anything let me guess. Keep in mind i'm guessing not accusing.
Transgenders? Homosexuals? Abortion?

I wouldn't think wanting Tranys to use the restroom of their biology would be "telling people how to live" unless you have no problem with a man using the restroom with you wife.
Saying homosexuals shouldn't be a protected class isn't butting in is it?
Wanting each state to make their own abortion policy (eliminating Roe vs Wade) is not telling people how to live, it's giving each state more choice.

I wouldn't call any of those a move to the right though.If you meant something else, i'm sorry.

I think personally you should use the restroom that you are plumbed for. I think if you don't want to make a cake for something you don't support you should have that right within certain reason...yes that is vague but it would be hard to say what is legal and not, but as a business owner you should have some rights.

I have to ask what do you mean by Homosexuals shouldn't be a protected class? Do you want to be able to shoot them as you drive by, and for that to be legal?

I believe the federal government needs to keep Roe VS Wade legal, not because I believe abortion is correct, but because the conservatives have offered no other alternative besides it is wrong!! If they want to overturn it and make abortion illegal but then make sure every unwanted child will be either adopted or be given enough money to make sure they are taken care then I would be all for looking into it. But to say hey abortion needs to be illegal but we don't give two $h#ts about all the extra unwanted kids that will be brought into this world is just stupid. You want to tell somebody what they should do before a child is born, but after you want to be left alone and not worry about it. If they want to figure out a way to make sure all those kids are taken care of then great let's look at alternatives, but they need to invest all the way not just stick a toe in the water.
 
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I think personally you should use the restroom that you are plumbed for. I think if you don't want to make a cake for something you don't support you should have that right within certain reason...yes that is vague but it would be hard to say what is legal and not, but as a business owner you should have some rights.

I have to ask what do you mean by Homosexuals shouldn't be a protected class? Do you want to be able to shoot them as you drive by, and for that to be legal?

I believe the federal government needs to keep Roe VS Wade legal, not because I believe abortion is correct, but because the conservatives have offered no other alternative besides it is wrong!! If they want to overturn it and make abortion illegal but then make sure every unwanted child will be either adopted or be given enough money to make sure they are taken care then I would be all for looking into it. But to say hey abortion needs to be illegal but we don't give two $h#ts about all the extra unwanted kids that will be brought into this world is just stupid. You want to tell somebody what they should do before a child is born, but after you want to be left alone and not worry about it. If they want to figure out a way to make sure all those kids are taken care of then great let's look at alternatives, but they need to invest all the way not just stick a toe in the water.
Abortion just isnt wrong, it's out and out murder. No other name for it.
 
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