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Originally posted by wcowherd:
Specifically?

Playing rosburg and inordinate amount of time at the beginning of the year...So, wouldn't not playing him now an inordinate amount of time be an improvement?

Not letting cam B transfer from ND to mizzou for no apparent reason...You can't honestly believe he had no reason. If the kid could have helped, and was what Anderson wanted, he'd be in Como. But he's not. You nag like a woman about this one. He obviously had issues with him, either as a student, person, or player...but doesn't feel the need to go public with it.

Rotations are mind boggling at times...Comes with coaching a young/inexperienced team that doesn't give the effort the head coach wants.

Struggling mightily at the defensive end even though most of the teams Mizzou plays are not more athletic...Dude, you've got an axe to grind b/c, in your mind, they sold themselves short by "hiring a D-II coach". If you can't see the lack of talent they have, in comparison to what they go against almost nightly, you don't need to speak on the topic any longer. Or at least don't need to be taken seriously when speaking about it.

I keep harping on this but no one seems to understand this point: I don't care that mizzou is bad this year. What I care about is that Kim Anderson has not made this team one sliver better than they were at the beginning of the year. The stats back that up.
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They seem to be turning it over less, or at least cutting down on the unforced turnovers. I'm too lazy to look that up too though. Post sure seems a lot better. Actually has a clue of what to do during a possession, instead of just standing in the way. If you're results/stats oriented, you're probably going to struggle to find any hope. What games I've seen, you can see some things getting better. Some things aren't. And the book is out that the guards can't really shoot, or create...which is a bit of a problem when running the hi-low. Hard to shine a turd, in some regards. Why I think you'll see some major roster rollover the next year or two.
 
There appears to be no reason, rumored or otherwise, why cam B was not allowed at mizzou, other than St. Anderson didn't approve of his morals.

I love the no talent excuse. This team has 6(!) 4* players and the rest of the scholarship players are 3* players. Stars matter, especially in aggregate. This team has talent, especially compared to the likes of ole miss and umkc and Purdue and auburn and A&M. It's totally delusional to think otherwise.

Mizzou did embarrass itself by hiring a D2 coach. There's a reason P5 schools don't do that. That's not the reason I dislike head coach true son milk toast Kim Anderson. The reason I don't like him is because he hasn't helped this basketball team. You're projecting how you think I feel about him, which says nothing about me and everything about you.

Fewer turnovers is nice. What's not nice is being ranked 179th in the country with the 206th best offense and the 161st ranked defense. Can't expect more with only 6 4*'s on your team, right?
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Originally posted by wcowherd:
There appears to be no reason, rumored or otherwise, why cam B was not allowed at mizzou, other than St. Anderson didn't approve of his morals...Ok, that should be good enough. He thinks he was a turd. Move on. That kid isn't going to make or break Mizzou basketball under Kim Anderson. I've got the confidence KA sees the long-term, and not the short-term. A kid he thinks is a turd didn't say his decision to try and win another game or two. In a season he had to know wasn't going to go well.

I love the no talent excuse. This team has 6(!) 4* players and the rest of the scholarship players are 3* players. Stars matter, especially in aggregate. This team has talent, especially compared to the likes of ole miss and umkc and Purdue and auburn and A&M. It's totally delusional to think otherwise...Agree to disagree. Stars are projections. In basketball, once you get past the top 50 hardly any offer any real contribution at a power 5 early on. And before you toss out three examples over the last five years, keep in mind there's about 150 more every year that don't.

Mizzou did embarrass itself by hiring a D2 coach. There's a reason P5 schools don't do that. That's not the reason I dislike head coach true son milk toast Kim Anderson. The reason I don't like him is because he hasn't helped this basketball team. You're projecting how you think I feel about him, which says nothing about me and everything about you...Does a power five school that hires a D-I assistant embarrass itself as well? Because, that's what he is as well...And that's what you say, but I seriously don't believe you. Your panties are in a wad b/c they "hired a D-II guy". The reason I don't believe you is, I really think you're smarter (honest statement) than to evaluate improvement 20 or so games in. The kids on the team that played for FFH have never been coached. The ones that didn't are playing with a completely different set of teammates. And then you have the frosh. Add to that, they're just not a terribly talented bunch.

Fewer turnovers is nice. What's not nice is being ranked 179th in the country with the 206th best offense and the 161st ranked defense. Can't expect more with only 6 4*'s on your team, right? Not from this collection. Who are the 4*s? Not doubting they're there, but it's a bit easier to identify with their level of experience. Throwing out numbers doesn't do much for me in basketball, after about the top 50 or so. This isn't football where you need contributions from 30+ people. Not many contribute early.
Posted from Rivals MobileI don't think he's performing some miracle by any stretch, but you're looking for statistical evidence of improvement. Some number, or some result that says..."hey, these guys are getting better." As crazy as it may seem, basketball (like many other things) just isn't black and white. You might have to actually be able to evaluate what you're watching to be able to see improvement. Again, I don't think you believe half the crap you say...I just think you have the numbers that you believe backs your claim that they're not improving. Which in turn, fuels your "D-II hire" stuff.
 
Why should that be enough? I work with people who I don't see eye to eye with. I'm sure my boss does too. Usually, provided you're not being disruptive or in trouble with the law and you're good at your job, you get to stay. By all accounts cam was not a distraction at ND and he's not in trouble with the law and he certainly would've been Mizzou's best offensive weapon this season. Kim can do what he wants, but I'm not giving him a pass for it.

The 4* players are easy enough to find on rivals. I can't link on my phone. I think they're j3, wright, tiki, Wes Clark, Gant, and post. All of them have shown they can play, even post who I thought was worse than rosburg but he's actually not bad. Of course, KA can't seem to find time to play him when it counts, but that's back to his dumb rotations. All those teams I listed have significantly less talent if you believe stars matter than mizzou.

As for the outside the top 50 you don't continue argument, a) you have no stats to back that up, b) that's an arbitrary baseline, c) I can think of a litany of examples from the recent mizzou past that would be counter examples, and d) that's clearly untrue due to the fact that a lot of P5 schools don't sign 4*'s and they aren't all trotting out juniors and seniors. Furthermore, the argument has always been that this mizzou roster is devoid of talent. You really have to believe that rivals just totally screwed up to believe that's the case.

Yes Kim Anderson is a (former) mizzou assistant. He also was an assistant during the time when mizzou was on the downturn during norm. Is that supposed to be a positive? He also hasn't done that since 99. Wouldn't his more relevant experience be what he's been doing that past ~14 years?

If I'm wrong about KA, you'll have more than enough evidence to show me how wrong I was. But in the unlikely event that im right, that will be quite the day on mosports.
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Originally posted by SadButTrue:

Originally posted by wcowherd:
Specifically?

Playing rosburg and inordinate amount of time at the beginning of the year.

Not letting cam B transfer from ND to mizzou for no apparent reason.

Rotations are mind boggling at times.

Struggling mightily at the defensive end even though most of the teams Mizzou plays are not more athletic.

Bullit, I don't get your "baby with the bath water comment." I specifically said that I think Kim should be given a chance to sink or swim and not be fired this season. Made you can clear up what you meant. Also, I watch almost ever game this team has played. I've missed 2 thus far. I hope like hell they win every game. So, respectfully, when you say I should get behind this team and root them on as if I'm not already doing so, you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

And perhaps cards or anyone could explain what my "agenda" is. I don't know Kim Anderson. I'm sure he's the most wonderful guy in the world. That has very little relevance as to whether he is doing a good job with the basketball team and whether he should be Mizzou's basketball coach. My agenda is I want mizzou to have the best basketball program it can. What would my ulterior motives be?

I keep harping on this but no one seems to understand this point: I don't care that mizzou is bad this year. What I care about is that Kim Anderson has not made this team one sliver better than they were at the beginning of the year. The stats back that up.

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Why don't you go spew your venom on Power Mizzou.com, You are outnumbered here in the support for Coach Anderson. So shut the he!! up.
Your ulterior motives would be staying ahead of me in post count...
 
Originally posted by Drop.Tine:
Originally posted by SadButTrue:

Originally posted by wcowherd:
Specifically?

Playing rosburg and inordinate amount of time at the beginning of the year.

Not letting cam B transfer from ND to mizzou for no apparent reason.

Rotations are mind boggling at times.

Struggling mightily at the defensive end even though most of the teams Mizzou plays are not more athletic.

Bullit, I don't get your "baby with the bath water comment." I specifically said that I think Kim should be given a chance to sink or swim and not be fired this season. Made you can clear up what you meant. Also, I watch almost ever game this team has played. I've missed 2 thus far. I hope like hell they win every game. So, respectfully, when you say I should get behind this team and root them on as if I'm not already doing so, you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

And perhaps cards or anyone could explain what my "agenda" is. I don't know Kim Anderson. I'm sure he's the most wonderful guy in the world. That has very little relevance as to whether he is doing a good job with the basketball team and whether he should be Mizzou's basketball coach. My agenda is I want mizzou to have the best basketball program it can. What would my ulterior motives be?

I keep harping on this but no one seems to understand this point: I don't care that mizzou is bad this year. What I care about is that Kim Anderson has not made this team one sliver better than they were at the beginning of the year. The stats back that up.

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Why don't you go spew your venom on Power Mizzou.com, You are outnumbered here in the support for Coach Anderson. So shut the he!! up.
And you say I am negative!
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He's the negative one. All 3 things I said are positive.
 
Originally posted by wcowherd:
Why should that be enough? I work with people who I don't see eye to eye with. I'm sure my boss does too. Usually, provided you're not being disruptive or in trouble with the law and you're good at your job, you get to stay. By all accounts cam was not a distraction at ND and he's not in trouble with the law and he certainly would've been Mizzou's best offensive weapon this season. Kim can do what he wants, but I'm not giving him a pass for it...Because it's KA's call. My view is, he thinks the little Cam would have added in wins didn't outweigh the negatives. Agree or not, his call.

The 4* players are easy enough to find on rivals. I can't link on my phone. I think they're j3, wright, tiki, Wes Clark, Gant, and post. All of them have shown they can play, even post who I thought was worse than rosburg but he's actually not bad. Of course, KA can't seem to find time to play him when it counts, but that's back to his dumb rotations. All those teams I listed have significantly less talent if you believe stars matter than mizzou...I think you're right. So three frosh, and two sophs? Cycle back through the Rivals 4 starts MU has had over the years and let me know which ones were a big factor in year one or two. The list that wasn't is much longer than the list that was.

As for the outside the top 50 you don't continue argument, a) you have no stats to back that up, b) that's an arbitrary baseline, c) I can think of a litany of examples from the recent mizzou past that would be counter examples, and d) that's clearly untrue due to the fact that a lot of P5 schools don't sign 4*'s and they aren't all trotting out juniors and seniors. Furthermore, the argument has always been that this mizzou roster is devoid of talent. You really have to believe that rivals just totally screwed up to believe that's the case...Don't need stats. Reason I used top 50 is I mistakenly thought that was the break for 4/5 star on Rivals. There was some talk on the bball board on this a year ago or so. There were literally a handful of players over a two year span from 50-150 that were major contributors as frosh. It just doesn't happen as often as it doesn't happen.

Yes Kim Anderson is a (former) mizzou assistant. He also was an assistant during the time when mizzou was on the downturn during norm. Is that supposed to be a positive? He also hasn't done that since 99. Wouldn't his more relevant experience be what he's been doing that past ~14 years? I think he's been both a head coach, and a "D-I" coach. Just never a D-I head coach. Neither was Snyder when MU hired him. His resume certainly isn't as sterling as others, but who knows who really would've taken the job. Alden didn't make much of that public (for good reason, never want your current choice knowing he was your fourth choice). FFH had scared a few off with the roster depletion, that much is certain.

If I'm wrong about KA, you'll have more than enough evidence to show me how wrong I was. But in the unlikely event that im right, that will be quite the day on mosports...You may very well be right. After three or four seasons, he might get fired. It's not like I see much on the court to really make me think he'll win. But his history suggests differently. If he is able to get his types of players for the hi-low, I think he'll do well. Maybe not Final 4 and National Championships good, but competitive in conference and making the tourney good.
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Originally posted by wcowherd:
There appears to be no reason, rumored or otherwise, why cam B was not allowed at mizzou, other than St. Anderson didn't approve of his morals.

I love the no talent excuse. This team has 6(!) 4* players and the rest of the scholarship players are 3* players. Stars matter, especially in aggregate. This team has talent, especially compared to the likes of ole miss and umkc and Purdue and auburn and A&M. It's totally delusional to think otherwise.

Mizzou did embarrass itself by hiring a D2 coach. There's a reason P5 schools don't do that. That's not the reason I dislike head coach true son milk toast Kim Anderson. The reason I don't like him is because he hasn't helped this basketball team. You're projecting how you think I feel about him, which says nothing about me and everything about you.

Fewer turnovers is nice. What's not nice is being ranked 179th in the country with the 206th best offense and the 161st ranked defense. Can't expect more with only 6 4*'s on your team, right?
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That should at least be your new sig if not a t-shirt...
 
When will you be on the sidelines with a clipboard?

Clearly you would be doing a much better job, Willy.
 
A&M's Danuel House: "we sensed the game was over during warmups in the second half."

So much for KA connecting to his players.
 
Good grief man I why are you watching?! Just to whine and look like a fool!?

You're like duck when Cardinal season rolls around. Arm chair coaches.
 
Because I love mizzou and with each passing game when the team gets worse and worse I can feel KA burying mizzou in a hole it's going to take years to climb out of.
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You may be the dumbest smart kid I've ever read on here. Take that how ever you want.

Eagles and I have both told you regardless of the Coach your beloved team was going to be a dumpster fire. The fact you don't listen is on you.

You can either sit here and ***** for the remainder of the season or go do something else with your time. Good grief man you look like a kid who can't have the cookie in the jar because his parents told him no.

How about you tune into some MU wrestling, or does that not entice you since it doesn't draw the money?
 
Yeah, wrestling doesn't interest me.

Lumping yourself in with Eagles is laughable. He makes good points. You haven't made one on topic point in this entire thread.

Again, since you can't seem to get it through your head, my problem isn't that mizzou is terrible. My problem is that the team is regressing, Anderson has completely lost this team, the defense and hustle he was supposed to bring is totally absent, and his recruiting is terrible. There has been 0 improvement from the beginning of the year to this point, even though Anderson was billed as a master strategist and motivator.

I don't really expect you to be able to comprehend this. You haven't the first 10 times I've made this point.
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Originally posted by Veer2Eternity:

Originally posted by Drop.Tine:
Good grief man I why are you watching?! Just to whine and look like a fool!?

You're like duck when Cardinal season rolls around. Arm chair coaches.
https://mosports.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=252&tid=178666361&mid=178666361&sid=946&style=2

Drop you are the biggest homer on this board. If your team does it, nothing to see here. If it's a coach you like, it'll be fine.

Otherwise...meh.
You're right, that was a great call. Idiot.
 
Originally posted by Drop.Tine:
Originally posted by Veer2Eternity:

Originally posted by Drop.Tine:
Good grief man I why are you watching?! Just to whine and look like a fool!?

You're like duck when Cardinal season rolls around. Arm chair coaches.
https://mosports.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=252&tid=178666361&mid=178666361&sid=946&style=2

Drop you are the biggest homer on this board. If your team does it, nothing to see here. If it's a coach you like, it'll be fine.

Otherwise...meh.
You're right, that was a great call. Idiot.
^^Armchair coach. Bet you'll be the daddyball coach that has the kids do Oklahoma drill every day.
 
Originally posted by Veer2Eternity:


Originally posted by Drop.Tine:


Originally posted by Veer2Eternity:



Originally posted by Drop.Tine:
Good grief man I why are you watching?! Just to whine and look like a fool!?

You're like duck when Cardinal season rolls around. Arm chair coaches.
https://mosports.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=252&tid=178666361&mid=178666361&sid=946&style=2

Drop you are the biggest homer on this board. If your team does it, nothing to see here. If it's a coach you like, it'll be fine.

Otherwise...meh.
You're right, that was a great call. Idiot.
^^Armchair coach. Bet you'll be the daddyball coach that has the kids do Oklahoma drill every day.
How about you stick to taking gym selfies #cantputthebarup

Also on note, my kid doesn't want to play football, he won't be forced to. Some of us don't want to live through our kids.....
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This post was edited on 2/9 7:25 AM by Drop.Tine
 
Originally posted by Drop.Tine:
Originally posted by Veer2Eternity:


Originally posted by Drop.Tine:


Originally posted by Veer2Eternity:



Originally posted by Drop.Tine:
Good grief man I why are you watching?! Just to whine and look like a fool!?

You're like duck when Cardinal season rolls around. Arm chair coaches.
https://mosports.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=252&tid=178666361&mid=178666361&sid=946&style=2

Drop you are the biggest homer on this board. If your team does it, nothing to see here. If it's a coach you like, it'll be fine.

Otherwise...meh.
You're right, that was a great call. Idiot.
^^Armchair coach. Bet you'll be the daddyball coach that has the kids do Oklahoma drill every day.
How about you stick to taking gym selfies #cantputthebarup

Also on note, my kid doesn't want to play football, he won't be forced to. Some of us don't want to live through our kids.....
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This post was edited on 2/9 7:25 AM by Drop.Tine
And here come the personal attacks. Tsk tsk tsk.

My kid doesn't play HS football. What was your point again?
 
Originally posted by Drop.Tine:
How about you stick to taking gym selfies #cantputthebarup

Also on note, my kid doesn't want to play football, he won't be forced to. Some of us don't want to live through our kids.....
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This post was edited on 2/9 7:25 AM by Drop.Tine
Hey Drop let me ask you this do you think your kid at his age even has a clue as to what he wants or even likes? I mean if your child says I don't ever want to eat anything green because I don't like it you are not going to force them to even try it? I am by no means advocating forcing a child to play sports. But given a choice most kids will not go out and try something new. As a parent you always have a right to raise your kids how you see fit. I just believe in having your kids try something is not a bad thing, be it football, baseball, basketball, wrestling or even hunting cooking whatever, just once to see if they might like it. There is nothing wrong with that and I don't think that is living thru your child. I think that is just helping them be a well rounded kid and future adult. Now if they don't like it after trying it I don't think you force them, but again I think kids need to try things and as a parent that is our job to open up a world of possibilities to them. Otherwise they will live a sheltered life never truly knowing if they might have liked it and excelled at it be whatever. Now at what age they should try again that is always up to the parents.
 
Originally posted by bullitpdq68:

Originally posted by Drop.Tine:
How about you stick to taking gym selfies #cantputthebarup

Also on note, my kid doesn't want to play football, he won't be forced to. Some of us don't want to live through our kids.....
laugh.r191677.gif


This post was edited on 2/9 7:25 AM by Drop.Tine
Hey Drop let me ask you this do you think your kid at his age even has a clue as to what he wants or even likes? I mean if your child says I don't ever want to eat anything green because I don't like it you are not going to force them to even try it? I am by no means advocating forcing a child to play sports. But given a choice most kids will not go out and try something new. As a parent you always have a right to raise your kids how you see fit. I just believe in having your kids try something is not a bad thing, be it football, baseball, basketball, wrestling or even hunting cooking whatever, just once to see if they might like it. There is nothing wrong with that and I don't think that is living thru your child. I think that is just helping them be a well rounded kid and future adult. Now if they don't like it after trying it I don't think you force them, but again I think kids need to try things and as a parent that is our job to open up a world of possibilities to them. Otherwise they will live a sheltered life never truly knowing if they might have liked it and excelled at it be whatever. Now at what age they should try again that is always up to the parents.
Little Drop won't be sheltered. He probably already shots a gun and can field dress a deer with a pocket knife.
 
Originally posted by SadButTrue:

Originally posted by bullitpdq68:


Originally posted by Drop.Tine:

How about you stick to taking gym selfies #cantputthebarup

Also on note, my kid doesn't want to play football, he won't be forced to. Some of us don't want to live through our kids.....
laugh.r191677.gif



This post was edited on 2/9 7:25 AM by Drop.Tine
Hey Drop let me ask you this do you think your kid at his age even has a clue as to what he wants or even likes? I mean if your child says I don't ever want to eat anything green because I don't like it you are not going to force them to even try it? I am by no means advocating forcing a child to play sports. But given a choice most kids will not go out and try something new. As a parent you always have a right to raise your kids how you see fit. I just believe in having your kids try something is not a bad thing, be it football, baseball, basketball, wrestling or even hunting cooking whatever, just once to see if they might like it. There is nothing wrong with that and I don't think that is living thru your child. I think that is just helping them be a well rounded kid and future adult. Now if they don't like it after trying it I don't think you force them, but again I think kids need to try things and as a parent that is our job to open up a world of possibilities to them. Otherwise they will live a sheltered life never truly knowing if they might have liked it and excelled at it be whatever. Now at what age they should try again that is always up to the parents.
Little Drop won't be sheltered. He probably already shots a gun and can field dress a deer with a pocket knife.
I find it really interesting how threads take so many twists and turns. I believe this thread started out as someone calling for Kennys opinion on how Kim Anderson is going to rebuild MUs basketball program and the last post is calling out his hunting/skinning abilities. Its almost like a virtual game of telephone...
 
Originally posted by wcowherd:

Lumping yourself in with Eagles is laughable. He makes good points.
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Is it narcissistic behavior that I re-read this about every five minutes???
 
Originally posted by Eagles_Ball:

Originally posted by wcowherd:

Lumping yourself in with Eagles is laughable. He makes good points.
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Is it narcissistic behavior that I re-read this about every five minutes???
No, because it's the first time he has admitted anyone but himself has made a good point. You should make a shirt.
 
I think the article is crap too. His first point is that KA is inexperienced. Is that somehow not his fault that he's making rookie mistakes?

His second and last point is that recruiting has caught up with mizzou. I don't disagree (although I do disagree that none of these players are KA's), but that doesn't absolve KA of not improving this team.
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KA inherited a train wreck. Mizzou isn't faultless here. They should have canned Haith when he was connected with the slimy Miami booster. I'd rather have a losing season than a winning season under a sketchy coach like Haith, Quin, et al.

Do you think any other top notch candidate was coming to Columbia to coach this team? They had absolutely nothing coming back this season.

This is an odd thread with you bashing Mizzou and DT holding up for the Tigers!
 
As long as our players aren't breaking the law and are for the most part staying out of trouble, then winning is the only thing that matters to me. KA has talked more about making these players into men more than any college coach I have ever heard. I guess that's what I would say too if I had won a game in a month.

Listen, no one is saying KA inherited a great situation. That's not the point. KA was brought in to improve the defense, effort level, and be an X's and O's mastermind. There's been no evidence of that, and quite a lot of evidence to the contrary.

Finally, Kenny is proping up mizzou. He's proping up KA. I love mizzou and I hate the direction our program is going.
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Originally posted by wcowherd:
As long as our players aren't breaking the law and are for the most part staying out of trouble, then winning is the only thing that matters to me. KA has talked more about making these players into men more than any college coach I have ever heard. I guess that's what I would say too if I had won a game in a month.

Listen, no one is saying KA inherited a great situation. That's not the point. KA was brought in to improve the defense, effort level, and be an X's and O's mastermind. There's been no evidence of that, and quite a lot of evidence to the contrary.

Finally, Kenny is proping up mizzou. He's proping up KA. I love mizzou and I hate the direction our program is going.

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I really think that everyone is being too hard on Coach Anderson. Like people have said before, he took over a train wreck! Haith put entirely too much stock into transfers and not building a team from recruits. KA had great success at UCM, granted that is D2, but that shouldn't matter when it comes to discipline, fundamentals, and motivating players. As Ive said before, if in 3 seasons MU has shown no signs of improvement, this is a failed experiment. Give KA some time.
 
You mention discipline, fundamentals, and motivating players. Do you see any evidence that he's improved any of that at mizzou?

I don't have any power to hire and fire unfortunately. Anderson is going to get what he's going to get no matter my opinion.
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Originally posted by wcowherd:
You mention discipline, fundamentals, and motivating players. Do you see any evidence that he's improved any of that at mizzou?

I don't have any power to hire and fire unfortunately. Anderson is going to get what he's going to get no matter my opinion.

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I think there has been some sign of that. MU has had several close losses or had leads only to watch them slowly melt away. It can be a little tough to keep some players motivated during a 13 game losing streak.
 
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