Someone in the house give us a report. Twitter says Hartville played some 4 corners?
Would shot clock have been a factor?
Congrats to Hartville, great win!
Would shot clock have been a factor?
Congrats to Hartville, great win!
Hartville topples Greenwood
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Not sure it was 4 corners but Hartville was very deliberate. Shot clock would probably have changed several possessions. For the most part felt like they were looking for the perfect shot not just stalling. They also did a great job defensively taking Pinegar away and keeping Aminu off the offensive glass.
I saw some video, it looked like Greenwood fouled on purpose, in a TIE GAME, with less than 10-15 seconds left...is this correct? Was there confusion about the score?
This is why I will never favor the shot clock in high school. Strategy can, and should, help win a game.
I watched a sectional game on the internet. There were multiple clock issues with it not starting or running during a free-throw. You can't add another clock and expect it to go well.
Officials signal when to start the play clock in football. So many variables in basketball.
If the shot hit the rim or not. If the possession of the ball actually changed. Shot clock starts and stops during live play (unlike football). Just a few off the top of my head. College officials can stop the game, look at video and make a determination and reset game and shot clock if need be. How will high school officials do this?
Now I know you may say they (referees) already have that problem, which is true. Why add to it?
Basketball officials signal when to start the clock too. Junior college does not have replay but the officials seem to catch shot clock issues and reset issues like if the ball hit the rim and such things.
They’re college officials for a reason. College officials, during play, signal the shot clock operator when to start/reset? I did not know that. What is the signal?
High School basketball without a shot clock is why all the white players in the NBA are from Europe.
It you’re too scared to ball you stall.
It you’re too scared to ball you stall.
If you don’t have the stock, you better work the clock.
A shot clock is not that hard to operate if you reset it to the full time on a missed shot. You push a button and hold it until a team gains possession or the team inbound after a made shot. The excuse of not having qualified operators is not a legitimate reason to not have one. A 40 or 45 second shot clock would still allow for strategy and would not dramatically change most games, it would actually require more strategy at the end of quarters and the end of games.
Agreed. A game in the 20's is nothing I want to watch, even if it does allow an unathletic team to win.
I don’t think a Coach cares if you attend or not. My goal was to put my players in a position to win the game
Don't blame you one bit. Just would like to see the rules change to where us spectators get to watch basketball, and not paint dry.
You would rather watch a running clock 85-22 game. Than a 17-16 last second buzzer beater?
I, for a long time, was a pretty active proponent of the shot clock. I’ve since given up on it, and HS basketball in general, and moved on in life.
I once attended a meeting with a fairly large group of high school basketball coaches where the shot clock, among other topics, was discussed. The room quickly devolved into two camps.
The camp that had never played or coached at the college level was mixed on the issue. The camp that had played or coached at the college level was uniformly, and quite adamantly, in favor of the shot clock. There wasn't a single coach on that side that I saw who thought the high school game was better off without the shot clock.
I think most people, once they’ve experienced first hand, basketball played with a shot clock quickly realize it’s a better game, and a completely different game.
Basketball with a shot clock is the game being played at every level in every corner of the world except in high school in this country. You actually have to put the ball into the basket, develop a strategy to do it, and to keep your opponent from doing the same.
Basketball without a shot clock can very easily become a game of Keep Away if one side would rather play that game instead of basketball.
This entire thread is an eye opening example of why it will never happen until it becomes a uniform rule within NFHS. I'm one of those that thinks most coaches, if given a chance, would probably also eliminate back court. It’s just much easier to teach kids how to play Keep Away than how to play basketball. It’s infinitely easier to run around in circles with the ball than it is to put the round ball in a round basket ten feet off the ground.
IMO it’s fake basketball, and kids and parents and fans and everyone else with any sense recognizes this. It’s why summer basketball is so appealing. Despite whatever other issues it might have, no one is standing around waiting for the clock to run out in summer basketball.
I for a long time used to tell parents to be careful about getting caught up in summer basketball. It can quickly become a money pit. Not so much anymore. If you play summer basketball at least you get a chance to actually play basketball.
Beyond that, the excuses about we can’t afford a shot clock or we can’t find anyone to run a shot clock are bogus. A lot of summer basketball tournaments these days play with a shot clock and they have high school or college kids running them.
If you’re telling me that a public school can’t find an employee capable of handling the intricacies of running a shot clock then you have bigger issues than basketball.
With all that said, I’m over it these days. Its an interesting argument, but I decided a long time ago to take the shot clock loss and move on.
I once attended a meeting with a fairly large group of high school basketball coaches where the shot clock, among other topics, was discussed. The room quickly devolved into two camps.
The camp that had never played or coached at the college level was mixed on the issue. The camp that had played or coached at the college level was uniformly, and quite adamantly, in favor of the shot clock. There wasn't a single coach on that side that I saw who thought the high school game was better off without the shot clock.
I think most people, once they’ve experienced first hand, basketball played with a shot clock quickly realize it’s a better game, and a completely different game.
Basketball with a shot clock is the game being played at every level in every corner of the world except in high school in this country. You actually have to put the ball into the basket, develop a strategy to do it, and to keep your opponent from doing the same.
Basketball without a shot clock can very easily become a game of Keep Away if one side would rather play that game instead of basketball.
This entire thread is an eye opening example of why it will never happen until it becomes a uniform rule within NFHS. I'm one of those that thinks most coaches, if given a chance, would probably also eliminate back court. It’s just much easier to teach kids how to play Keep Away than how to play basketball. It’s infinitely easier to run around in circles with the ball than it is to put the round ball in a round basket ten feet off the ground.
IMO it’s fake basketball, and kids and parents and fans and everyone else with any sense recognizes this. It’s why summer basketball is so appealing. Despite whatever other issues it might have, no one is standing around waiting for the clock to run out in summer basketball.
I for a long time used to tell parents to be careful about getting caught up in summer basketball. It can quickly become a money pit. Not so much anymore. If you play summer basketball at least you get a chance to actually play basketball.
Beyond that, the excuses about we can’t afford a shot clock or we can’t find anyone to run a shot clock are bogus. A lot of summer basketball tournaments these days play with a shot clock and they have high school or college kids running them.
If you’re telling me that a public school can’t find an employee capable of handling the intricacies of running a shot clock then you have bigger issues than basketball.
With all that said, I’m over it these days. Its an interesting argument, but I decided a long time ago to take the shot clock loss and move on.
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It’s just much easier to teach kids how to play Keep Away than how to play basketball. It’s infinitely easier to run around in circles with the ball than it is to put the round ball in a round basket ten feet off the ground.
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IMO - Coaches today want that style so there is less responsibility on the Coach. Hell, roll the ball out, dribble as fast as you can, throw an out of control shot up with no rebounders, look at referee for a bailout and do it all over again going the other way
I like a fast-paced game. But I also like, when having the lead and wanting to eat some clock and go to a layup game, having that option. If making a zone team come out and pick us up M2M or watch the clock dissolve isn’t strategy, then I don’t know what is. Takes some coaching and special kids to play fast and then shift gears and slow things down. And do them both well.
I didn't say they signal when to reset the shot clock, they do the game clock. They do keep their eye on it and stop play if not done correctly on the shot clock.
Pro and college went to it decades ago because they are in the entertainment business. And watching somebody stall in a half court offense, trying to win a game 15-14 is as boring as it gets. Even if it's what all the coaching geniuses are doing.
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