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Until those private schools start accepting Special Needs kids and problem students that do not play sports at the same rate as they do the rest of their population, there is no way they are on a level playing field, even if they dont "cheat" and recruit athletes. Having their own division is the most logical move.. But if that isnt going to happen. Leave in the success factor but also make them play up one class regardless of success to make up a little of the unfair advantage they have built in.
 
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Until those private schools start accepting Special Needs kids and problem students that do not play sports at the same rate as they do the rest of their population, there is no way they are on a level playing field, even if they dont "cheat" and recruit athletes. Having their own division is the most logical move.. But if that isnt going to happen. Leave in the success factor but also make them play up one class regardless of success to make up a little of the unfair advantage they have built in.
You can go online and look at their faculty and staff list, most of them don't have a single special education teacher. I have said before, the success factor really isn't much help, it just pushes the problem further up the ladder. Having a student body size of 400 or 900 is irrelevant as long as you have the right few dudes.
 
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Until those private schools start accepting Special Needs kids and problem students that do not play sports at the same rate as they do the rest of their population, there is no way they are on a level playing field, even if they dont "cheat" and recruit athletes. Having their own division is the most logical move.. But if that isnt going to happen. Leave in the success factor but also make them play up one class regardless of success to make up a little of the unfair advantage they have built in.
A lot of them now do.

Private schools were truly going the extreme that many of you claim they are, they would win 75% of all championships. The claims aren't surprising given the participation awards in public schools.
 
A lot of them now do.

Private schools were truly going the extreme that many of you claim they are, they would win 75% of all championships. The claims aren't surprising given the participation awards in public schools.
Private schools having 2 special needs kids in school is rare public schools have more than 2 per grade. Move along snowflake
 
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Private schools having 2 special needs kids in school is rare public schools have more than 2 per grade. Move along snowflake

Oh you know this how? You don’t. You don’t have a clue.

Private schools have many advantages that public schools don't such as smaller class sizes and private tutoring.
 
Oh you know this how? You don’t. You don’t have a clue.

Private schools have many advantages that public schools don't such as smaller class sizes and private tutoring.
Sure, it's not hard to look up staffing and realize none have a spec ed teacher on staff. It's so hard to call 4 or 5 private schools and ask about their special education resources and be told they have none.

Get off the tit
 
It's working. Now the larger classes are figuring out what the class 1 and 2 schools were talking about the past 40 years. Easy to say 'keep them together' when you don't have to deal with it.
It is working for the smaller classes. Pushing them up just moves the issue to another group.

I don't think they should keep them together; I think they should separate them. For the playoffs, they could take the public schools back to 5 classes and then make 1 or 2 private classes.
 
It is working for the smaller classes. Pushing them up just moves the issue to another group.

I don't think they should keep them together; I think they should separate them. For the playoffs, they could take the public schools back to 5 classes and then make 1 or 2 private classes.
Exactly right.
 
Private schools and special education
Lutheran South - "Spartan Center" - 1 teacher. Basic studies course to a limited number of students.
Vianney - no special education teachers or curriculum listed
DeSmet - started inclusive education program in 2023 - 1 teacher
CBC - 2 learning specialist
St Pius - no special education teachers or curriculum listed
Cardinal Ritter - no special ed teachers or curriculum listed

Lutheran S - 58 zip codes
Vianney - 70 zip codes
DeSmet - over 70 zip codes
CBC - 97 zip codes
Ritter - over 100 grade schools and 38 zip codes
John Burroughs - students from 59 zip codes
 
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Private schools and special education
Lutheran South - "Spartan Center" - 1 teacher. Basic studies course to a limited number of students.
Vianney - no special education teachers or curriculum listed
DeSmet - started inclusive education program in 2023 - 1 teacher
CBC - 2 learning specialist
St Pius - no special education teachers or curriculum listed
Cardinal Ritter - no special ed teachers or curriculum listed

Lutheran S - 58 zip codes
Vianney - 70 zip codes
DeSmet - over 70 zip codes
CBC - 97 zip codes
Ritter - over 100 grade schools and 38 zip codes
John Burroughs - students from 59 zip codes
Wonder if "Therapy Services" are considered special ed.
 
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Sure, it's not hard to look up staffing and realize none have a spec ed teacher on staff. It's so hard to call 4 or 5 private schools and ask about their special education resources and be told they have none.

Get off the tit

It’s also easy to look up staff and see that they have specialist. I don’t need to call as I have done so already and have worked in both private and public schools.

How about you stop being a tit. Something tells me you are nothing more than a keyboard warrior
 
It’s also easy to look up staff and see that they have specialist. I don’t need to call as I have done so already and have worked in both private and public schools.

How about you stop being a tit. Something tells me you are nothing more than a keyboard warrior
The reality is public schools are required to take any and all students in their districts.

Private schools have the ability to turn away any student for any reason they see fit.

They aren't the same.

Split them up.
 
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It’s also easy to look up staff and see that they have specialist. I don’t need to call as I have done so already and have worked in both private and public schools.

How about you stop being a tit. Something tells me you are nothing more than a keyboard wawarrior
I hate to break it to ya. But some of us like tits!
 
The reality is public schools are required to take any and all students in their districts.

Private schools have the ability to turn away any student for any reason they see fit.

They aren't the same.

Split them up.

It won’t change anything. Most of the crybabies will still find something that isn’t fair
 
It’s also easy to look up staff and see that they have specialist. I don’t need to call as I have done so already and have worked in both private and public schools.

How about you stop being a tit. Something tells me you are nothing more than a keyboard warrior
Having one and having an entrie department are different and many have none. You working at them doesn't make you an expert you have access to the same information the rest of humanity can get with a phone call.

Only one triggered here is you, name calling is the best way to know who can't have a real discussion. Oh and the ole used and abused keyboard warrior comment. Let's see here I could join your dick measuring contest here and invite you to come find out in person but that has 2 results both not worth shit. 1 you don't show or 2 you show and then press assault charges. I tend to stay out of no win situations so I'll decline. Funniest part is everyone knows where I am every Friday night including you. Everyone knows where I am every championship weekend including you. One last thing anyone on here who actually knows me would tell you I'm the nicest person in the world until you give me reason not to be and you that once given that reason you would regret it. So let's stay out of our feelings have a discussion disagree if we need to but avoid any other BS that neither of us really wants.
 
Having one and having an entrie department are different and many have none. You working at them doesn't make you an expert you have access to the same information the rest of humanity can get with a phone call.

Only one triggered here is you, name calling is the best way to know who can't have a real discussion. Oh and the ole used and abused keyboard warrior comment. Let's see here I could join your dick measuring contest here and invite you to come find out in person but that has 2 results both not worth shit. 1 you don't show or 2 you show and then press assault charges. I tend to stay out of no win situations so I'll decline. Funniest part is everyone knows where I am every Friday night including you. Everyone knows where I am every championship weekend including you. One last thing anyone on here who actually knows me would tell you I'm the nicest person in the world until you give me reason not to be and you that once given that reason you would regret it. So let's stay out of our feelings have a discussion disagree if we need to but avoid any other BS that neither of us really wants.
Makes me far more of an except than your nazi ass. Clearly you are triggered otherwise you would be throwing out your little childish insults so take your own advise.
 
Makes me far more of an except than your nazi ass. Clearly you are triggered otherwise you would be throwing out your little childish insults so take your own advise.
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Oh you know this how? You don’t. You don’t have a clue.

Private schools have many advantages that public schools don't such as smaller class sizes and private tutoring
as someone that raised TWO special needs kids and did make the calls and researched, I will simply tell you, just like others have stated, that you are wrong. If you found a private school that works with Special Needs, you found the exception not the rule.
 
They should go back to a multiplier for private schools, but instead of 1.35 it should change every year based on overall athletic success across all private schools.

Take the total number of State Championships won by private schools in a fiscal year and divide it by the total number of expected State Championships won by private schools across all classes in all sports. For example, if Class 3 Boys Golf has 70 teams and 7 of them are private schools, the expected number of State Championships won yearly in this classification in this sport would be 0.1 state championships.

This would be for athletics only as high performance by private schools in academic competitions such as quiz bowl would be expected and it doesn't seem fair to punish an academically sound private school like Thomas Jefferson or College Heights for having success in this every year.

For the sake of simple math, I will use more rounded, arbitrary numbers here whereas the actual numbers would probably need to be rounded to the nearest hundredth or so. Let's say that in year 1 of this experiment, private schools won 21 championships out of an expected 10 championships.

21/10 = 2.1

Therefore the multiplier for the next year would be 2.1 for private schools.

In year two, it's harder for private schools so they only win 14 out of an expected 10 state championships.

14/10 = 1.4

Now, you take the 1.4 and multiply it by the existing 2.1 and get your new multiplier of 2.94

In year three, it's even harder with the new multiplier and private schools only win 11 out of an expected 10 championships

11/10 = 1.1
1.1*2.94 = 3.23 (rounded)

In year four, private schools only win 9 out of an expected 10 championships.

9/10 = 0.9
0.9*3.23 = 2.91 (rounded)

The multiplier now goes back down to balance things out for the next year.

Using a method such as this, one of two things will eventually happen and it's a win-win situation:

A. We reach an equilibrium point as indicated above where private schools can fairly compete against public schools.

B. The largest private schools (Metro Catholic 5 + Rockhurst) collectively outpace the expected number of state championships each year because they have nowhere "up" to go in terms of classification. This pushes the multiplier up to 50 and McAuley Catholic (39*50 = 1950) is now competing against Charles Lindbergh (1751) in Class 5 Basketball after Class 6 becomes the 32 largest private schools. We could continue like this or it could force the hand of the private schools and they could eventually reorganize on their own.
 
Makes me far more of an except than your nazi ass. Clearly you are triggered otherwise you would be throwing out your little childish insults so take your own advise.
I would love to know how you having the same information as the rest of us makes you more of an expert. Do tell!
Oh boy "NAZI" now there is a term overused by those commonly referred to as snowflakes. Great job on the username sir.
However please refrain from using it so easy as it diminishes the meaning and for the horror in which they inflicted upon the Jewish people it is not only steals from the meaning but is also disrespectful to the Jewish people.

You should look in a mirror when writing these as you are the triggered one with the name calling and childish insults.

I bid you good day and pray you find some morality and maturity at some point. One would think those would be a requirement to work at such a pristine institution as a private school but I guess not.
 
They should go back to a multiplier for private schools, but instead of 1.35 it should change every year based on overall athletic success across all private schools.

Take the total number of State Championships won by private schools in a fiscal year and divide it by the total number of expected State Championships won by private schools across all classes in all sports. For example, if Class 3 Boys Golf has 70 teams and 7 of them are private schools, the expected number of State Championships won yearly in this classification in this sport would be 0.1 state championships.

This would be for athletics only as high performance by private schools in academic competitions such as quiz bowl would be expected and it doesn't seem fair to punish an academically sound private school like Thomas Jefferson or College Heights for having success in this every year.

For the sake of simple math, I will use more rounded, arbitrary numbers here whereas the actual numbers would probably need to be rounded to the nearest hundredth or so. Let's say that in year 1 of this experiment, private schools won 21 championships out of an expected 10 championships.

21/10 = 2.1

Therefore the multiplier for the next year would be 2.1 for private schools.

In year two, it's harder for private schools so they only win 14 out of an expected 10 state championships.

14/10 = 1.4

Now, you take the 1.4 and multiply it by the existing 2.1 and get your new multiplier of 2.94

In year three, it's even harder with the new multiplier and private schools only win 11 out of an expected 10 championships

11/10 = 1.1
1.1*2.94 = 3.23 (rounded)

In year four, private schools only win 9 out of an expected 10 championships.

9/10 = 0.9
0.9*3.23 = 2.91 (rounded)

The multiplier now goes back down to balance things out for the next year.

Using a method such as this, one of two things will eventually happen and it's a win-win situation:

A. We reach an equilibrium point as indicated above where private schools can fairly compete against public schools.

B. The largest private schools (Metro Catholic 5 + Rockhurst) collectively outpace the expected number of state championships each year because they have nowhere "up" to go in terms of classification. This pushes the multiplier up to 50 and McAuley Catholic (39*50 = 1950) is now competing against Charles Lindbergh (1751) in Class 5 Basketball after Class 6 becomes the 32 largest private schools. We could continue like this or it could force the hand of the private schools and they could eventually reorganize on their own.
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Are we to believe that Incarnate Word has no advantage in girls basketball? They just randomly have the best players every year since 2010?
 
Are we to believe that Incarnate Word has no advantage in girls basketball? They just randomly have the best players every year since 2010?
That is precisely my point about the success factor npt being totally effective. IW is moved up to the largest classification and still rolls through teams like $&!# through a goose. Moving them up hasn't leveled them off at all.
 
Until those private schools start accepting Special Needs kids and problem students that do not play sports at the same rate as they do the rest of their population, there is no way they are on a level playing field, even if they dont "cheat" and recruit athletes. Having their own division is the most logical move.. But if that isnt going to happen. Leave in the success factor but also make them play up one class regardless of success to make up a little of the unfair advantage they have built in.
Or like Carthage, they could have 45% of the students be immigrant demographics that don’t really participate in anything but their mere presence in enrollment causes the kids who do to have to compete at least one if not two classifications higher.
 
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