For this Class 4: District 5 v.s. District 8 Debate

[ChaoticFanatic]

Here are the current district points standings for both districts:

Class 4 District 5

1 Webb City 7-0 57.14 Neosho with Neosho Christian (1-6) 10/6

2 Carl Junction 6-1 51.9 Pittsburg (Kan.) (Pittsburg, KS) (4-1) 10/6

3 West Plains 5-2 49.31 Parkview (1-6) 10/6

4 Camdenton 6-1 48.98 Joplin (6-1) 10/6

5 Hillcrest 4-3 40.69 Rolla (4-3) 10/6

6 McDonald County 4-3 30.77 East Newton (0-7) 10/6

7 Bolivar 2-5 29.71 Marshfield (1-6) 10/6

8 Marshfield 1-6 18.9 Bolivar (2-5) 10/6


Class 4 District 8

1 Platte County 6-1 48.67 Winnetonka (1-6) 10/6

2 Kearney 6-1 48.24 Staley (7-0) 10/6

3 Smithville 7-0 47.76 Chillicothe (6-1) 10/6

4 Excelsior Springs 6-1 43.86 Grain Valley (5-2) 10/6

5 Lafayette (St. Joseph) 6-1 43 Bishop LeBlond (2-5) 10/6

6 Savannah 2-5 24.29 Maryville (5-2) 10/6

7 Winnetonka 1-6 21.5 Platte County (6-1) 10/6

8 Benton 1-6 19.95 Cameron (0-7) 10/6

 

[ChaoticFanatic]

Now just for fun and for the statistics and ratings that JNReturns loves so much...
Say the top 4 teams from each district were to combine into one super district.

The district standings at this point in the season would be as follows:

Class 4 Super District 5 & 8

1.) Webb City 7-0 57.14 Neosho with Neosho Christian (1-6) 10/6

2.) Carl Junction 6-1 51.9 Pittsburg (Kan.) (Pittsburg, KS) (4-1) 10/6

3.) West Plains 5-2 49.31 Parkview (1-6) 10/6

4.) Camdenton 6-1 48.98 Joplin (6-1) 10/6

5.) Platte County 6-1 48.67 Winnetonka (1-6) 10/6

6.) Kearney 6-1 48.24 Staley (7-0) 10/6

7.) Smithville 7-0 47.76 Chillicothe (6-1) 10/6

8.) Excelsior Springs 6-1 43.86 Grain Valley (5-2) 10/6

The numbers don't lie, right Joey?

 

[JNreturns]

Now just for fun and for the statistics and ratings that JNReturns loves so much...
Say the top 4 teams from each district were to combine into one super district.

The district standings at this point in the season would be as follows:

Class 4 Super District 5 & 8

1.) Webb City 7-0 57.14 Neosho with Neosho Christian (1-6) 10/6

2.) Carl Junction 6-1 51.9 Pittsburg (Kan.) (Pittsburg, KS) (4-1) 10/6

3.) West Plains 5-2 49.31 Parkview (1-6) 10/6

4.) Camdenton 6-1 48.98 Joplin (6-1) 10/6

5.) Platte County 6-1 48.67 Winnetonka (1-6) 10/6

6.) Kearney 6-1 48.24 Staley (7-0) 10/6

7.) Smithville 7-0 41. 7.76 Chillicothe (6-1) 10/6

8.) Excelsior Springs 6-1 43.86 Grain Valley (5-2) 10/6

The numbers don't lie, right Joey?

THe predictive power ranking numbers of Calpreps are more accurate than the clumsy scoring system used by MSSHA. I suppose you didn't notice that even using the Mo scoring system, District 8 has 5 teams over 43. District 5 does not. But let's forget that silly rating system and look at who would actually be in the super district. Five teams from D8 and three from D5 make the cut. Overall performance, strength of schedule to date give us this crew:

1. Webb 5 wins versus top quartile (C4 standard) schedule strength #2
2. Smithville 2 wins vs. top quartile. SS #5
3. CJ 2 wins vs. top quartile. 19.9 SS schedule strength #3
4. Platte County 2 wins v. top quartile schedule strength #1
5. Kearney 2 wins v. top quartile 17.7 SS #4
6. Lafayette 1 win v. top quartile 11.9 SS #6
7. Excelsior Springs 0 wins v. top quartile 5 SS#8
8 Camdenton 0 wins v. top quartile 6 SS #7

Numbers, performance, strength of schedule...no bro, they don't lie...but nice try,.

 

[Cards1968]

THe predictive power ranking numbers of Calpreps are more accurate than the clumsy scoring system used by MSSHA. I suppose you didn't notice that even using the Mo scoring system, District 8 has 5 teams over 43. District 5 does not. But let's forget that silly rating system and look at who would actually be in the super district. Five teams from D8 and three from D5 make the cut. Overall performance, strength of schedule to date give us this crew:

1. Webb 5 wins versus top quartile (C4 standard) schedule strength #2
2. Smithville 2 wins vs. top quartile. SS #5
3. CJ 2 wins vs. top quartile. 19.9 SS schedule strength #3
4. Platte County 2 wins v. top quartile schedule strength #1
5. Kearney 2 wins v. top quartile 17.7 SS #4
6. Lafayette 1 win v. top quartile 11.9 SS #6
7. Excelsior Springs 0 wins v. top quartile 5 SS#8
8 Camdenton 0 wins v. top quartile 6 SS #7

Numbers, performance, strength of schedule...no bro, they don't lie...but nice try,.

 

[ChaoticFanatic]

THe predictive power ranking numbers of Calpreps are more accurate than the clumsy scoring system used by MSSHA. I suppose you didn't notice that even using the Mo scoring system, District 8 has 5 teams over 43. District 5 does not. But let's forget that silly rating system and look at who would actually be in the super district. Five teams from D8 and three from D5 make the cut. Overall performance, strength of schedule to date give us this crew:

1. Webb 5 wins versus top quartile (C4 standard) schedule strength #2
2. Smithville 2 wins vs. top quartile. SS #5
3. CJ 2 wins vs. top quartile. 19.9 SS schedule strength #3
4. Platte County 2 wins v. top quartile schedule strength #1
5. Kearney 2 wins v. top quartile 17.7 SS #4
6. Lafayette 1 win v. top quartile 11.9 SS #6
7. Excelsior Springs 0 wins v. top quartile 5 SS#8
8 Camdenton 0 wins v. top quartile 6 SS #7

Numbers, performance, strength of schedule...no bro, they don't lie...but nice try,.

Yet again, you just say calpreps is a better rating system with no solid facts.

If there was another website that gave more of an advantage to district 8, you would cite that one.

I just took the only system that matters in the state of Missouri and not California, and look what was found... oh district 5 has the top 4 seeds.

Period.

It's okay Joey, we're all waiting for another rebuttal that doesn't make sense and is 90% opinion based and full of your perception of events rather than reality.

 

[bhunt95]

this all gets settled on the field. Both you sound like couple of idiots

 

[ChaoticFanatic]

this all gets settled on the field. Both you sound like couple of idiots

Thank you for your opinion sir.

And yes, at the end of the day it gets settled on the field.

But I have just as much right to speak my opinion on this forum as you or anyone else.

I respect your opinion.

It's actually "a couple of ", by the way.

 

[ChaoticFanatic]

this all gets settled on the field. Both you sound like couple of idiots

Oh, and "both of".

 

[bhunt95]

Texting rules when using phone. short & sweet

 

[ChaoticFanatic]

It's okay. All is forgiven.

 

[JNreturns]

Yet again, you just say calpreps is a better rating system with no solid facts.

If there was another website that gave more of an advantage to district 8, you would cite that one.

I just took the only system that matters in the state of Missouri and not California, and look what was found... oh district 5 has the top 4 seeds.

Period.

It's okay Joey, we're all waiting for another rebuttal that doesn't make sense and is 90% opinion based and full of your perception of events rather than reality.

lol. Kearney and Platte County are better than West Plains and Camdenton. Period. In fairness West Plains, Camdenton, Excelsior are about equal. But West Plains lost to Lebanon...so Camdenton, despite losing to them by one point, is the bottom dweller of the super district. The rest of the season will prove it.

 

[JNreturns]

Yet again, you just say calpreps is a better rating system with no solid facts.

If there was another website that gave more of an advantage to district 8, you would cite that one.

I just took the only system that matters in the state of Missouri and not California, and look what was found... oh district 5 has the top 4 seeds.

Period.

It's okay Joey, we're all waiting for another rebuttal that doesn't make sense and is 90% opinion based and full of your perception of events rather than reality.

The facts ALL come from games performed in Mizzoura.... You are comparing a seeding protocol to a performance based rating system. Two different things. And the performance based rating system is superior, more accurate, and based on many more facts than the other system.

 

[JNreturns]

this all gets settled on the field. Both you sound like couple of idiots

Do yourself a favor, get out the old tapes of Maryville, and watch their good teams play. They aren't going anywhere this year.

 

[BoosterBosko]

this all gets settled on the field. Both you sound like couple of idiots

Thank you for your opinion sir.

And yes, at the end of the day it gets settled on the field.

But I have just as much right to speak my opinion on this forum as you or anyone else.

I respect your opinion.

It's actually "a couple of ", by the way.

Actually, you two sound pretty well educated and are having an actual debate. Wanna know who DOES sound like a couple of idiots? Stef and Coach Nickerson yelling at each in the street! Fighting like children over the last cookie!

 

[J. Kane]

Actually, you two sound pretty well educated and are having an actual debate. Wanna know who DOES sound like a couple of idiots? Stef and Coach Nickerson yelling at each in the street! Fighting like children over the last cookie!

 

[Rock Hard Corn Frog]

While an interesting discussion it is unlikely to be settled even on the field. If the champs of each district meet in the semis it will only likely show which champ of the district is better not which district is deeper or stronger. Now if say the district 8 champ gets through the district winning close games and the district 5 champ rolls through the district then you can probably read something into a semifinal result.

In the meantime Smithville might be very good but Kearney and Stanley are playing better competition, West Plains play all conference games so we don't know the relative strength of the Ozark Confernece. I've seen CJ play in person. They are as good this year as they have ever been.

 

[ChaoticFanatic]

Yet again, you just say calpreps is a better rating system with no solid facts.

If there was another website that gave more of an advantage to district 8, you would cite that one.

I just took the only system that matters in the state of Missouri and not California, and look what was found... oh district 5 has the top 4 seeds.

Period.

It's okay Joey, we're all waiting for another rebuttal that doesn't make sense and is 90% opinion based and full of your perception of events rather than reality.

lol. Kearney and Platte County are better than West Plains and Camdenton. Period. In fairness West Plains, Camdenton, Excelsior are about equal. But West Plains lost to Lebanon...so Camdenton, despite losing to them by one point, is the bottom dweller of the super district. The rest of the season will prove it.

I never said that Kearney and PC weren't better than West Plains and Camdenton. That's very possible. I could agree that more than likely Kearney is better than both and PC would be a toss up. Simply pulling out a rating system for this debate. That's what you're known for so I'm looking to convey information in a way that you can understand.

 

[ChaoticFanatic]

While an interesting discussion it is unlikely to be settled even on the field. If the champs of each district meet in the semis it will only likely show which champ of the district is better not which district is deeper or stronger. Now if say the district 8 champ gets through the district winning close games and the district 5 champ rolls through the district then you can probably read something into a semifinal result.

In the meantime Smithville might be very good but Kearney and Stanley are playing better competition, West Plains play all conference games so we don't know the relative strength of the Ozark Confernece. I've seen CJ play in person. They are as good this year as they have ever been.

Agreed. In reference to this debate(which I know doesn't matter in the big scheme of things), I would find it hard to believe that the best team in district 8 could make it past the second round of districts in district 5

 

[FootballCoach8]

Calpreps/Maxpreps is a better rating system than MSHSAA district points.

MSHSAA is all about wins. Including the 'strength of schedule' is all about wins. Beat Blue Springs 20 points, beat Crystal City 20 points. It does not matter. Yes you get points for playing up, whatever. It's all about wins.

Calpreps/maxpreps is all about who you beat and who you lose to. Lose to Blue Springs not so bad. Lose to Crystal City you're one of the worst teams in the state. Everything is based on statistical data.


That being said. Webb is probably still the best team in either district. State championship game will basically be the semifinal game on that side of the bracket. Much like class 2.

 

[Mike*Honcho]

I agree, Calpreps/Maxpreps are much better than the MSHSAA point system. But when trying to evaluate roughly equal teams then CP/MP can and will fail.

For example, Calpreps predicts Blue Springs would lose to LS West and Rockhurst, but would beat Park Hill and Fayetteville (AR). Those games have already happened and all 4 turned out the other way.

It also says BS would lose to Staley. Possible? Sure, but I'd take BS by 10.

 

[Rock Hard Corn Frog]

Honestly after tonight both districts were taken down a little. Kearney and Camdenton were both blown out, Smithville lost and West Plains has struggled against Parkview.

 

[ChaoticFanatic]

Well Camdenton was 4th in district standings anyways.
Seeds 1-3 won in District 5, but both seeds 2 & 3 lost for District 8 tonight.

Good thing the district is so good and so deep.

Down goes Kearney
Down goes Smithville
Down goes Camdenton

should be interesting to see the Class 4 rankings after this week. They shouldn't change as far as teams in the rankings except there is a possibility that the Lakers might drop out of the top 10. They should at least.

 

[ChaoticFanatic]

A wild night for Class 4, that's for sure

 

[Webbzone]

Keep in mind injuries. Tonight CJ handed it Pittsburg by 20. Pittsburgs stud QB and backup QB didn't play. Not sure how CP/MP can accurately assess the value of the win or loss for either team.

 

[bhunt95]

Team on no one's radar. probably 4th best in district.

Will st.joe Lafayette end up being the second seed in the district 8?

 

[ChaoticFanatic]

Team on no one's radar. probably 4th best in district.

Will st.joe Lafayette end up being the second seed in the district 8?

It's a possibility. It's so hard to gauge how good Lafayette is though because of their schedule.

We shall see.

 

[bhunt95]

It's a possibility. It's so hard to gauge how good Lafayette is though because of their schedule.

We shall see.

Lafayette is like a lot of St Louis teams they have some amazing athletes but does not play well as a team

 

[Mike*Honcho]

Lafayette is like a lot of St Louis teams they have some amazing athletes but does not play well as a team

I haven't seen them in person but I've been told that when they are on they are explosive (like scoring 54 in a win over Chillicothe) and when they are off they can lose badly (like their 35-0 loss to Smithville). In other words, they may be able to take out one of the big boys in the district but they probably can't do it two weeks in a row.