Football classifications
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Agree it's a silly points system.
"Creative scheduling" can get you in .
Just play the IL schools (are there any left?) if you're a class 1 team.
Then pick a few struggling programs in class 3 and voila. First seed.
16 districts with 3 to 4 teams in each with the current bracket system would be the best. Better geographically, better for branding. A 1 vs 4 game doesn't sound as defeating as 1 vs 8. Even if the results would be the same.
not if they make c1 32 or 48.
How complicated is it to say ' OK we have X number of teams playing 11 man. We have 6 classes. Let's take x/6 and call it a day'.
I'm all for playing the games..... not a fan of the seedings and leaving teams out to play a week 10 game. I don't mind the current system at all. I would prefer the old 4 team districts of old though... only one team advances.
2 arguments that will stand the test of time.....What came first, the chicken or the egg and what is the best system for determining MO HS FB playoffs?
Why don't they just split the classes evenly? Is there a valid rationale for making some classes smaller?
Even numbers? There's byes in every playoff system.
MO just makes it so difficult, we all agree TX football is the best football in the country. We should just copy their model and move on from this topic
I think the issue is the enrollment differential on a percentage basis is too big for class 1 if you just divide everyone evenly. It makes more sense for class 6 to grow. On a percentage basis the difference between 100 and 200 is much higher than the difference between 1200 and 1600.
Around 200. Not enough in my opinion.
Go to 7 classes and decrease 8 man to 120-125. I seen Iowa just decreases their cap to 100. Cap class 1 at 48 if Missouri ever exceeds 336 teams.
Modify the championship factor to top out at 3 classes instead of 2.
Districts would be 5-6 teams, eliminating the 2v7 and 1v8 matchups.
MMA match pitting the head coaches. They pay per view it and build new office buildings with the profits.
Well crap Don't Tell MSHSAA, or hell that is what we will go to just so they can have another revenue stream. Schools will now be hiring a different breed of coaches......
Eliminate state, give championship to private schools that have the most kids not paying full tuition.
Texas has two division per class based on a teams winning the last two years.
So basically they have two Champs in each class besides class 6. They have 11 overall state Champs. Is that something we really want todo. I can hear the end of season bitching Division II in class 3 was way harder than Division I in class 3, so now we have doubled the number of state champs.
It makes great sense for them as they have a population of nearly 30 million whereas ours is one-fifth of that.
Exactly and they keep adding more teams to the playoffs so more get to participate, that is why they now have two divisions, each class. For us I think the current system works great. At week 10 you have eliminated over half the teams in each class.
Another one I think about is Clinton beating Buffalo. Didn't play Varsity football last year for various reasons and a struggling program wins a game in districts. Not saying they will turn it around anytime soon, but that could be a little bit of momentum for them. I will never understand why people are against letting it be decided on the field and not a computer system. I know the complaint is the 1-8 games, but there were only 4 1-8 matchups in classes 1-5.
Ok, so the state with the best high school football, you all think has the stupidest playoff system?
We can take that system and apply it to our population. Weeks 1 and 2 you play whoever you want, then weeks 3-10 you play your district opponents. Take the top 2 teams from those 8 into a playoff system and re-seed at the final 4 so you can hopefully get the best two teams against each other, instead of the championship game actually taking place in week 12 at a district championship level.
We can take that system and apply it to our population. Weeks 1 and 2 you play whoever you want, then weeks 3-10 you play your district opponents. Take the top 2 teams from those 8 into a playoff system and re-seed at the final 4 so you can hopefully get the best two teams against each other, instead of the championship game actually taking place in week 12 at a district championship level.
Iowa used a system similar to this in the 90's...it ELIMINATED Conference Football and brought a halt to many long-standing conference rivalries...I didn't really like it for that reason.
I get that, but that is why I would say you have weeks 1 and 2 for rivalries that you still need to play. And you can still have a conference, you would play most of them in the district format anyway and even if you don't, you can use something like the current points system that everyone here seems to like so much, to determine a conference champion.
I understand why people want to keep conferences. I personally couldn't care any less about them, but the current system lets you keep conferences, and the games get decided on the field with no exceptions. If it's going to start week 9, so be it, as long as there is at least an option for those with a first round loss to have a week 10 game if they want one.
Conferences are a big reason what you are suggesting will never happen. But it makes interesting discussion on a message board.
You might think this could always work out like that...but it seldom does. Even if you're the same size and really close in proximity to conference rivals...you often get assigned to different districts...start pinning out 8 teams in a district on a big wall map...and you'll quickly see what I mean.
Sometimes even if schools are only a few students apart in enrollment size...one goes up and the other goes down a class.
TRUST ME...conference football will cease to exist if you go to this format...I saw it happen first hand.
Texas - 19 state champions
2022
6A Division 1: Duncanville 28 – North Shore 21
6A Division 2: DeSoto 42 – Vandegrift 17
5A Division 1: Aledo 52 – College Station 8
5A Division 2: South Oak Cliff 34 – Port Neches-Groves 24
4A Division 1: China Spring 24 – Boerne 21
4A Division 2: Carthage 42 – Wimberley 0
3A Division 1: Franklin 17 – Brock 14
3A Division 2: Gunter 42 – Poth 7
2A Division 1: Hawley 54 – Refugio 28
2A Division 2: Albany 41 – Mart 21
1A Six-Man Division 1: Westbrook 69 – Abbott 24
1A Six-Man Division 2: Benjamin 68 – Loraine 20
TAPPS
DI 11-man: Parish Episcopal Panthers 38 – Prestonwood Christian 14
DII 11-man: Fort Bend Christian Academy 42 – Eagles All Saints Episcopal 30
DIII 11-man: Dallas Christian Chargers 24 – Cypress Christian 0
DIV 11-man: Lubbock Christian Eagles 57 – St. Paul Catholic 20
D1 Six-Man: Logos Prep Academy Lions 54 – Hill Country Christian 52
DII Six-Man: Fort Worth Covenant Classical Cavaliers 68 – First Baptist Christian Academy 30
DIII Six-Man: Longview Christian Heritage Sentinels 36 – Bracken Christian 20
weird how you never hear about all the great private school teams down there.
Wonder why that is.
