Europe

[millerbleach]

What's the problem with Europe? They have (except Germany) very high death to positive ratios compared to most of the world.
Have they not tested enough to get the less severe in the positive category......testing is VERY important you know.
Is their healthcare system just that poor? Liberals claim we want their healthcare system so that can't be it.
Are they just really unhealthy people. I thought we should aspire to be like the European countries?
What is their problem? They can't even perform as well as the awful, immoral, unjust Americans.

 

[Stable_Genius]

What's the problem with Europe? They have (except Germany) very high death to positive ratios compared to most of the world.
Have they not tested enough to get the less severe in the positive category......testing is VERY important you know.
Is their healthcare system just that poor? Liberals claim we want their healthcare system so that can't be it.
Are they just really unhealthy people. I thought we should aspire to be like the European countries?
What is their problem? They can't even perform as well as the awful, immoral, unjust Americans.

Excellent distraction. For .6 seconds I forgot about Trump’s inept handling of this disaster and the 78,000 grieving families here in the USA. Remember when he ignored intelligence and had rallies and played golf instead? Millions of us do. And we will never forget. Gotta go gargle with some Formula 409 Multi-Surface cleaner right now.

 

[millerbleach]

Are you suggesting the European leaders handled it MUCH worse than our incompetent disaster of a leader?
I thought you claim those people make fun of our President. How can that be when he is WAY outperforming them?

 

[Veer2Eternity]

What's the problem with Europe? They have (except Germany) very high death to positive ratios compared to most of the world.
Have they not tested enough to get the less severe in the positive category......testing is VERY important you know.
Is their healthcare system just that poor? Liberals claim we want their healthcare system so that can't be it.
Are they just really unhealthy people. I thought we should aspire to be like the European countries?
What is their problem? They can't even perform as well as the awful, immoral, unjust Americans.

Source?

 

[millerbleach]

Source?

Uh, me! I'm using the opinions of you liberals on THIS board. Do you not know the figures from Europe and here? Must I lead you through it?

 

[millerbleach]

Well, must I???

 

[kaskaskiakid]

Don't believe the numbers!! Relying on other countries numbers, under reporting, who is doing large testing and who isn't, etc. We may never know the accurate numbers.

 

[Duck_walk]

Speaking of numbers. I went back 12 pages and couldn’t find one thread or post of any “libs” bragging about European countries. Clearly, Miller is a barefaced LIAR.

 

[millerbleach]

Speaking of numbers. I went back 12 pages and couldn’t find one thread or post of any “libs” bragging about European countries. Clearly, Miller is a barefaced LIAR.

I doubt that but the last 12 pages are probably about Covid 19. Look in the socialism or healthcare threads if you really doubt the virtues of European societal superiority being touted by libs like you.

 

[Neutron Monster]

What's the problem with Europe? They have (except Germany) very high death to positive ratios compared to most of the world.
Have they not tested enough to get the less severe in the positive category......testing is VERY important you know.
Is their healthcare system just that poor? Liberals claim we want their healthcare system so that can't be it.
Are they just really unhealthy people. I thought we should aspire to be like the European countries?
What is their problem? They can't even perform as well as the awful, immoral, unjust Americans.

What is the average testing per capita to date in the EU vs. the US? Maybe a question worth asking before making a post like this?

Europe has success stories and failures. In the aggregate, it is difficult to argue that the US has clearly exceeded Europe at managing COVID.

The more interesting question is what we can learn from places like Germany, Korea, Singapore, and Taiwan to help be as open as we can without large community spread. Testing and tracing is clearly a part of this.

The over focus on socialized medicine is an example of you not rationally thinking about what containing coronavirus is. OUR ENTIRE RESPONSE AND TESTING IS OVERSEEN BY THE GOVERNMENT. YOUR CORE POSITION IS THAT US GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRACY IS DOING GOOD. Not that private US health care providers are better.

 

[millerbleach]

What is the average testing per capita to date in the EU vs. the US? Maybe a question worth asking before making a post like this?

Since you libs keep howling we aren't testing enough I assume everyone in the great advanced EU must be testing far more than us! Of course that isn't true.

 

[millerbleach]

Europe has success stories and failures. In the aggregate, it is difficult to argue that the US has clearly exceeded Europe at managing COVID.

Tell me what stat says we haven't exceeded their "success".

 

[millerbleach]

The over focus on socialized medicine is an example of you not rationally thinking about what containing coronavirus is. OUR ENTIRE RESPONSE AND TESTING IS OVERSEEN BY THE GOVERNMENT. YOUR CORE POSITION IS THAT US GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRACY IS DOING GOOD. Not that private US health care providers are better.

My point ISN'T that our government is doing a good job (ask Duck how well they are doing). There is post after post about how poorly they are handling it.
My point is that as "poorly" as we are handling it, the private sector is stepping in to fill the gaps and we ARE outperforming the "GREAT" socialized medicine countries

 

[Neutron Monster]

Since you libs keep howling we aren't testing enough I assume everyone in the great advanced EU must be testing far more than us! Of course that isn't true.

The good countries like Germany blew us out of the water. Bad ones like the UK lagged. It’s a lot of different nations.

 

[Neutron Monster]

My point ISN'T that our government is doing a good job (ask Duck how well they are doing). There is post after post about how poorly they are handling it.
My point is that as "poorly" as we are handling it, the private sector is stepping in to fill the gaps and we ARE outperforming the "GREAT" socialized medicine countries

That conclusion is not borne out by data. Notably, focusing on death rates as a percentage of cases is flat worthless given how everyone has missed the vast majority of cases, and analyses of excess deaths shows variances in the likely amount of deaths that were appropriately tracked by country.

 

[Neutron Monster]

Tell me what stat says we haven't exceeded their "success".

You’re comparing us to dozens of countries. We did better than some and worse than others, and that conclusion varies by the metric you want to evaluate. It’s also not a meaningful conclusion in the aggregate because the hot spots were so hot. Madrid, Milan, and NYC were 3 of the worst places on earth. Much of the rest of Europe and the US were hardly affected

The big thing that part of Europe probably deserves some adjustment for is that we had extra time to prep. Italy got hit weeks ahead of us. We should have been better prepared than Italy or Spain.