Electric cars must really suck

[cardsrock15]

I was reading that Bidens Build Back Better plan proposes giving federal rebates of $7500 on the purchase of new electric automobiles.

If EV's are better and cheaper on fuel and maintenance in the long run why in the world should the govt have to pay people to buy one??

Why is the govt spending billions of taxpayer dollars on charging stations?? If this entire concept is a good idea private companies should be falling all over themselves lining up to build charging stations that consumers need to top up the battery on their EV, seems like a heck of a business opportunity. I would think every Caseys in the midwest would be adding charging islands to their convience stores.

 

[kaskaskiakid]

Because the all powerful oil industry and auto industry likes things just the way they are and keep raking in the dough. Neither are in any hurry to see the change. EVs are coming. The science isn't yet mastered but it will be soon. Most estimates say it will take 30 years for gas vehicles to become obsolete.

 

[Toots_mcgee]

Cards and his ilk doesn’t give a crap how we leave the planet for future generations. They can’t think beyond their next fill up at Circle K

 

[cardsrock15]

Cards and his ilk doesn’t give a crap how we leave the planet for future generations. They can’t think beyond their next fill up at Circle K

Electricity for my house comes from solar panels with a big battery pack. I live with it every day and I am telling you unless Biden finds a source for dilitheum crystals on our side of the universe electrification of our society is not going to take place

it's impossible it can't be done

 

[Arcola]

Plug your electric car to a coal fed electric plant. Oh wait coal is bad.

 

[MGHS]

Because the all powerful oil industry and auto industry likes things just the way they are and keep raking in the dough. Neither are in any hurry to see the change. EVs are coming. The science isn't yet mastered but it will be soon. Most estimates say it will take 30 years for gas vehicles to become obsolete.

Electric Cars are a bit pie in the sky at this point.....a replacement battery cost between 5-9 K. A bad Generator the Same. These Battery's last about 7-10 years. And the power used to Charge them is more polluting than the Power from a Combustion engine.

If you want to understand why all the gov. Money is being sunken into the Electric car infrastructure then look at who is invested in this type of stuff. Not hard to figure out.

 

[MGHS]

Cards and his ilk doesn’t give a crap how we leave the planet for future generations. They can’t think beyond their next fill up at Circle K

I'm 100% for Clean and efficient Nuclear. And who wants to pay six figures for a Tesla? The Biggest Lie is the Collapse of the Environment. We do more than we ever have in the industrial age to regulate and clean mother earth. We are a hearty and intelligent species this is not a problem we can't adapt to or a problem that will be solved now by throwing money at a technology that needs decades or more to be perfected. Global warming isn't anything to be up in arms about now. Innovation and the Capitalistic system will do it's job and fix the issue....the more government get's involved the worse the problem will be.

 

[kaskaskiakid]

Innovation and capitalism will fix the environment, but not the technology and affordability issues of the EV? I think quite the opposite - capitalist run our energy sources and are fine with the current system that is making millionaires. Capitalist always have and will always be about greed over the environment. On the other hand, EV technology in some form will eventually be mastered to make EVs, and hybrids of, an affordable and efficient vehicles. Let's start with making more everyday back and forth to work hybrids, and then we can work on increasing MPG and range per charge.

Look where our knowledge and technology was 100 years ago compared to today. I'm a firm believer that we will be just as astonished at our advancements in another 100 years. But we have to get off the fossil fuels!!

 

[3Rfan]

Innovation and capitalism will fix the environment, but not the technology and affordability issues of the EV? I think quite the opposite - capitalist run our energy sources and are fine with the current system that is making millionaires. Capitalist always have and will always be about greed over the environment. On the other hand, EV technology in some form will eventually be mastered to make EVs, and hybrids of, an affordable and efficient vehicles. Let's start with making more everyday back and forth to work hybrids, and then we can work on increasing MPG and range per charge.

Look where our knowledge and technology was 100 years ago compared to today. I'm a firm believer that we will be just as astonished at our advancements in another 100 years. But we have to get off the fossil fuels!!

I can't figure out why we can't make a generator and battery combo that will run car or truck a LONG way on very little gas. Railroad locomotives are actually ran by a generator powered by a diesel engine and they can pull a train a mile or more long with 50 to 100 ton capacity RR cars.
I have never heard anybody say how long it takes to charge the average EV. How long do you have to set at a charging station before you can continue on a trip?

 

[MGHS]

Innovation and capitalism will fix the environment, but not the technology and affordability issues of the EV? I think quite the opposite - capitalist run our energy sources and are fine with the current system that is making millionaires. Capitalist always have and will always be about greed over the environment. On the other hand, EV technology in some form will eventually be mastered to make EVs, and hybrids of, an affordable and efficient vehicles. Let's start with making more everyday back and forth to work hybrids, and then we can work on increasing MPG and range per charge.

Look where our knowledge and technology was 100 years ago compared to today. I'm a firm believer that we will be just as astonished at our advancements in another 100 years. But we have to get off the fossil fuels!!

Really do you not think that people try to develop new technology and innovations for one reason....To make Bank off that Innovation and Technology.....I guess Zuckerberg, Musk and Bezo's just do this all for the Environment. LOL I mean Edison literally tried to Destroy Tesla and His Alternating current system because of Profit and control. He was driven by MONEY....

Yes Some Capitalist are going to try to be a fly in the ointment to hinder Innovation and maintain the status quo but IN a Capitalist system the Technology and Innovation usually win out because the Profit becomes to enticing. In a Gov. controlled system those in Power squash, control and Rig the system much more to keep their interest protected..

 

[MGHS]

I can't figure out why we can't make a generator and battery combo that will run car or truck a LONG way on very little gas. Railroad locomotives are actually ran by a generator powered by a diesel engine and they can pull a train a mile or more long with 50 to 100 ton capacity RR cars.
I have never heard anybody say how long it takes to charge the average EV. How long do you have to set at a charging station before you can continue on a trip?

It depends.....on the charging station and size of the battery....anywhere from 30 min. to half a day.

And if I recall Locomotives don't have a battery system outside of those to start the engine, the diesel engine drives the Generator directly from the Engines shaft...Then the Electricity drives electric motors at the wheel. I know electric motors create a lot of power/torque and thus having them right at the Wheels is pretty efficient and simple. They are really the first hybrid vehicle.

 

[3Rfan]

It depends.....on the charging station and size of the battery....anywhere from 30 min. to half a day.

And if I recall Locomotives don't have a battery system outside of those to start the engine, the diesel engine drives the Generator directly from the Engines shaft...Then the Electricity drives electric motors at the wheel. I know electric motors create a lot of power/torque and thus having them right at the Wheels is pretty efficient and simple. They are really the first hybrid vehicle.

Yep that's what they do but why can't that be done on cars? It wouldn't take much of a battery to start the car but you have to keep it going.

 

[MGHS]

Well basically a hybrid does this....Gas engine runs generator and charges a battery and both can power the wheels. If it was a Gas engine driving a generator that directly drove the wheels I figure it isn't real efficient weight and energy out put wise . Using a smaller generator that charges a battery is probably more efficient I'm just guessing that's why you have hybrids. I've not done any research into that. Just spit balling off the top of my head.

 

[3Rfan]

Well basically a hybrid does this....Gas engine runs generator and charges a battery and both can power the wheels. If it was a Gas engine driving a generator that directly drove the wheels I figure it isn't real efficient weight and energy out put wise . Using a smaller generator that charges a battery is probably more efficient I'm just guessing that's why you have hybrids. I've not done any research into that. Just spit balling off the top of my head.

I'm sure that is the case but it seems like you could do it with a lawn mower size engine that would be able to power a traction motor type drive train strong enough to do the job but I sure as heck ain't no engineer. I don't know how anybody that drives any distance has time to stop and recharge their battery when you can't do it in your garage while you're at home.
My truck has a little over 50,000 miles, I hope it lasts me long enough I don't have to make a change to any other kind of vehicle.

 

[MGHS]

That's the problem with EV they are expensive all around. I'm sure as Technology moves forward that will become less of a issue...

 

[3Rfan]

That's the problem with EV they are expensive all around. I'm sure as Technology moves forward that will become less of a issue...

If they don't get the charging time down they will always be a pain in the buttox. 😊

 

[MGHS]

I agree......

 

[revno]

People that drive EV's that I know of use them for daily use and not to travel. They just plug them in at night when they get home. No convenience store stops for them. These vehicles are the future, big oil
knows this. BP forecasted that the planet's daily fossil fuel consumption peaked when covid hit and will never reach those levels again due to increased wind and solar, along with more efficient autos and, yes electric vehicles.

 

[Arcola]

What if you get stuck on the interstate because of a wreck or a blizzard? Call AAA for a jump🤪

 

[kaskaskiakid]

People that drive EV's that I know of use them for daily use and not to travel. They just plug them in at night when they get home. No convenience store stops for them. These vehicles are the future, big oil
knows this. BP forecasted that the planet's daily fossil fuel consumption peaked when covid hit and will never reach those levels again due to increased wind and solar, along with more efficient autos and, yes electric vehicles.

I remain confident scientists will solve the battery storage issue at some point in the future. However, Americans will have to get over our obsession with large vehicles. I'm guessing there are more pick up trucks on the road than ever before. I love my Silverado but hate the 16mpg!! A German guy told me once that our vehicle is a phallic symbol for American males!!

 

[cardsrock15]

People that drive EV's that I know of use them for daily use and not to travel. They just plug them in at night when they get home. No convenience store stops for them. These vehicles are the future, big oil
knows this. BP forecasted that the planet's daily fossil fuel consumption peaked when covid hit and will never reach those levels again due to increased wind and solar, along with more efficient autos and, yes electric vehicles.

wind and solar is a gigantic boondoggle. Right now wind and solar only account for 10% of our generating capacity in the USA. Its terribly expensive and completely unreliable. Even if we build ten times the number of wind turbines and solar farms that we have now, . What the heck are you going to tell people when its -10 degrees at night and the winds not blowing, and they are freezing in their homes???

 

[kaskaskiakid]

wind and solar is a gigantic boondoggle. Right now wind and solar only account for 10% of our generating capacity in the USA. Its terribly expensive and completely unreliable. Even if we build ten times the number of wind turbines and solar farms that we have now, . What the heck are you going to tell people when its -10 degrees at night and the winds not blowing, and they are freezing in their homes???

Again, technology will improve including wind and solar power.

 

[cardsrock15]

Again, technology will improve including wind and solar power.

how do you make the sun shine 24 hours a day, and the wind blow 24 hours a day. unless Musk finds a source for Dilithium Crystals somewhere on this side of our galaxy we are screwed

You are talking about a 1000 year advancement in technology in the next 20 years and thats not happening

 

[Arcola]

Wakandan Vibranium is the solution.

 

[Arcola]

I remain confident scientists will solve the battery storage issue at some point in the future. However, Americans will have to get over our obsession with large vehicles. I'm guessing there are more pick up trucks on the road than ever before. I love my Silverado but hate the 16mpg!! A German guy told me once that our vehicle is a phallic symbol for American males!!

You drive a full size pickup? You must not care about the environment or our children's future.

 

[kaskaskiakid]

You drive a full size pickup? You must not care about the environment or our children's future.

Yep, I need it to pull a trailer and a boat. I did drive econo cars most of my life - VW bug. Fiesta, Toyotos. I don't drive much, only about 12,000 mi/yr. $70 a fill up hurts. My retirement gift to myself.

 

[revno]

how do you make the sun shine 24 hours a day, and the wind blow 24 hours a day. unless Musk finds a source for Dilithium Crystals somewhere on this side of our galaxy we are screwed

You are talking about a 1000 year advancement in technology in the next 20 years and thats not happening

So.. you're saying we should just give it all up and fire back up all the coal stacks? Fire up them tar sands boilers? Let's see how much carbon dioxide is too much? Yee Haw.

 

[MGHS]

Again, technology will improve including wind and solar power.

That's not always true...did the technology of the Horse and Buggy improve? Or the the technology of the telegraph improve to keep up with Cell phones ? I could go on at some point the physics just don't allow for any improvement of certain things.

And Let's be real at the end of the day most energy comes from boiling water...and driving a turbine with Steam. There is not enough wind and Solar to even get close to our energy consumption rates. And when you plug that Electric car into a outlet the power is ultimately coming from some form of Fossil fuel. Coal, Natural Gas etc.

 

[MGHS]

So.. you're saying we should just give it all up and fire back up all the coal stacks? Fire up them tar sands boilers? Let's see how much carbon dioxide is too much? Yee Haw.

Yep.....fire them back up and work at finding a way to make them cleaner and more efficient, that is a lot more do able and obtainable than hoping on finding a way to improve battery storage or making Solar/Wind efficient and reliable.

Also start investing in making Molten Salt Nuclear reactors more feasible and simply solve the issue of the corrosive pipe problem. And we got cheap and safe power.....Finding some way to develop pipes that won't corrode should be possible with enough effort and rather quickly.

But it's more tasteful for the masses to buy into the propaganda that Free Wind and Free sunshine will save the day and save us all as well...while the Rich are taking full advantage of that BS and are Sucking up govt. tax payer funded $$$$ subsidy's on their investments. 158 billion in Federal dollars.....

 

[3Rfan]

Yep.....fire them back up and work at finding a way to make them cleaner and more efficient, that is a lot more do able and obtainable than hoping on finding a way to improve battery storage or making Solar/Wind efficient and reliable.

Also start investing in making Molten Salt Nuclear reactors more feasible and simply solve the issue of the corrosive pipe problem. And we got cheap and safe power.....Finding some way to develop pipes that won't corrode should be possible with enough effort and rather quickly.

But it's more tasteful for the masses to buy into the propaganda that Free Wind and Free sunshine will save the day and save us all as well...while the Rich are taking full advantage of that BS and are Sucking up govt. tax payer funded $$$$ subsidy's on their investments. 158 billion in Federal dollars.....

So how are we going to power our colonies on Mars you think we'll have someday?

 

[MGHS]

Nuclear.....sure some will come from Solar but another energy source will be needed to power a colony.

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[3Rfan]

Nuclear.....sure some will come from Solar but another energy source will be needed to power a colony.

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Where's the money coming from to build colonies on Mars? We can't even afford to keep everything running here on earth. If we knew how much money has been spent on everything covid most folks would have a meltdown but no one is talking about the deficit and debt as it relates to covid.

 

[kaskaskiakid]

Where the money cone from to build colonies on Mars? We can't even afford to keep everything running here on earth. If we knew how much money has been spent on everything covid most folks would have a meltdown but no one is talking about the deficit and debt as it relates to covid.

We quit worrying about the nat debt a long time ago.

 

[3Rfan]

We quit worrying about the nat debt a long time ago.

Only the party in power forgets about it.

 

[MGHS]

Where the money cone from to build colonies on Mars? We can't even afford to keep everything running here on earth. If we knew how much money has been spent on everything covid most folks would have a meltdown but no one is talking about the deficit and debt as it relates to covid.

It will be private industry who will colonize and control the stars.....Musk and Bezos are working on that.

 

[MGHS]

Only the party in power forgets about it.

That is 100% truth it is now just a talking point for leverage

 

[cardsrock15]

Where the money cone from to build colonies on Mars? We can't even afford to keep everything running here on earth. If we knew how much money has been spent on everything covid most folks would have a meltdown but no one is talking about the deficit and debt as it relates to covid.

Putting more than 2-3 people on mars for an extended period isn't going to happen ever. No water, no oxygen atmosphere and no fuel just exactly how is a human supposed to live there?

people making a big deal about these billionaires building rockets to get to low earth orbit and maybe the moon in the next decade???

hell us boomers did that 50 years ago using graph paper and slide rules lol

 

[MGHS]

I do think we will try and colonize the Moon and Mars to what extent is anyone's guess, I suspect it will be small science stations at best. Terraforming is basically out of the question IMO. The Lack of magnetic fields and such keep a atmosphere from being viable.

 

[Arcola]

Putting more than 2-3 people on mars for an extended period isn't going to happen ever. No water, no oxygen atmosphere and no fuel just exactly how is a human supposed to live there?

people making a big deal about these billionaires building rockets to get to low earth orbit and maybe the moon in the next decade???

hell us boomers did that 50 years ago using graph paper and slide rules lol

We all know what happened to Matt Damon on Mars!

 

[MGHS]

Lol yes