Don't be surprised if MSHSAA changes District format in the next couple years.

[sw5890]

And, like a lot of 'non-profits', the purpose, role, and needs of the organization does not match the expense sheet. It's taken on a life of its own. It's top heavy.

Yes taken a life of it's own is a good way to put it. At various points in time there may be a justification to add this position or this person to do something or to handle a specific need and over time that becomes less intensive from a resource need or even obsolete but the position never goes away it just becomes part of an increasingly bloated overhead that is seen as necessary to running the organization at a high level.

The only people that can do anything about it won't do anything about it because they are a beneficiary of the problem. Schools have bigger more pressing matters to focus on than to take on a project of leading the charge to overhaul the sports oversight board.

 

[Rufus R. Jones]

The only people that can do anything about it won't do anything about it because they are a beneficiary of the problem. Schools have bigger more pressing matters to focus on than to take on a project of leading the charge to overhaul the sports oversight board.

Disagree on this point. The member schools can and should change anything they want, anytime they want. Allowing MSHSAA to profit from broadcasts that are produced at school expense, often with volunteer or student staff, should not be happening. That's a bullshit system that is being abused by the money grubbers at MSHSAA.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Disagree on this point. The member schools can and should change anything they want, anytime they want. Allowing MSHSAA to profit from broadcasts that are produced at school expense, often with volunteer or student staff, should not be happening. That's a bullshit system that is being abused by the money grubbers at MSHSAA.

My question is if any states are like Missouri in the way they profit off the games starting with the districts?

 

[sw5890]

Disagree on this point. The member schools can and should change anything they want, anytime they want. Allowing MSHSAA to profit from broadcasts that are produced at school expense, often with volunteer or student staff, should not be happening. That's a bullshit system that is being abused by the money grubbers at MSHSAA.

Just to clarify - the 'beneficiaries' I am referring to are the mshsaa directors that are raking in 6 figure salaries not the schools.

The board members representing each region - mostly school ADs should do something about it but I doubt anyone wants to rock the boat or take on that project. I just don't think it's really seen as a big problem for all that many. Most schools don't participate in more than 1 or 2 district games in football so it's not an issue that hits a huge group. And it's usually the same short list of schools every year that are participating in post season.

 

[bullitpdq68]

I never really had a problem with the championship game because mshsaa provides a venue and they also provide an actual stream. I thought it was lousy how they required a fee to stream quarter and semis but whatever.

When they expanded it to districts and made it so the only option is to to provide mshsaa a stream to resell at their profit and your expense when they aren't providing any actual streams of their own.... that is what got me hot.

At the end of the day mshsaa does serve an important purpose and does need revenue to do their thing. It's important that they adapt as the landscape changes to ensure they can do what they need to do. The rub is if you look into the organization, like many other similar boards or pseudogoverment organizations it stinks of cronyism.

Everything mshsaa does is public looking them up they had over $5 to 6 Million sitting around. Doesn't seem like to me they are hurting for cash.

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Missouri State High School Activities Association — Non Profit Data

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[Veer2Eternity]

Everything mshsaa does is public looking them up they had over $5 to 6 Million sitting around. Doesn't seem like to me they are hurting for cash.

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They had a great chance during covid to make the games free to stream and blew it. That would have at least allowed people to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Now it's clear they are just money hungry.

 

[Rufus R. Jones]

Everything mshsaa does is public looking them up they had over $5 to 6 Million sitting around. Doesn't seem like to me they are hurting for cash.

Missouri State High School Activities Association (MSHSAA) | Columbia, MO | Cause IQ

Missouri State High School Activities Association (MSHSAA) promotes the value of participation, sportsmanship, team play, and personal excellence to develop ci...

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Missouri State High School Activities Association — Non Profit Data

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Good. Then teams should be reimbursed for travel and meals in the post season. And lodging for state championship level contests should be paid for.

 

[MGHS]

it allows for conferences and rivalries.
Regular season actually means something
Schools get in based on records and strength of schedule. not from being in a weak district.
When something works, it doesn't go though drastic changes.
It also doesn't send a 0-9 or 1-8 school that's struggling with numbers and/or injuries to face am undefeated #1 or 2 seed teams. I'm sure that's really helping grow the sport.

the current set up is just a money grab.. If I remember right the get something like 80% of all revenue from each district and playoff game plus control all streaming. And say you are the 7th or 8th seed that only has maybe 17 healthy kids and want to forfeit, well that really upsets mshsaa and the stick you with hefty fine .

Well the Missouri system maintains conferences and rivalries as well and every game counts as well towards conference seedings so they matter. And those one versus eight seeds allows for the opportunities for a Cinderella massive upset and a full schedule of games.

And please spare me the 100% BS player safety drivel ….the real player safety issue is ignored by both states loaded up private schools vs public schools. A eight seed vs a one is not at all a player safety issue. It’s not not like its a college team vs a high school team…jeez lesser sized schools Ex. C1 play C3 etc. yearly in the regular season and those are scheduled.

You need to do better cause you come across as sorely lacking in cognitive skills.

 

[MGHS]

Its not just about orchestrating better games but also determining those that deserve to be there, and player safety.

I know that player safety probably through you off. 1 and 2 seeds very 7 and 8 isn't safe in the sport that's fighting participation # due to the violent nature. add on the fact the class 1 thru 5 are playing up to 15 games. I'm sorry but that's too many.

Now you keep bringing up professional sports. in no way shape or form should high school sports be compared to how the pros do it. The difference between the worse team and the best teams in the NFL are 3 players. In high school the best player on the worst team probably wouldn't even play for the best teams JV.

You think this is to "satisfy some fantasy" Its about putting the most deserving teams in and eliminating potential dangerous situation.

2 things I would defiantly question about you and @503_Maple. You've either never coached and/or played. You've never been on a bus ride with your teams and you've never put a teammate or player in an ambulance.

Wrong I did and Do and please again stop with the melodrama hysterics, players get injured that is a fact and I assure that in the first week of districts that rate doesn’t increase with players being carted off in ambulances in truck loads….we as a C3/C2 school play C1 schools every year those games are competitive and those players are not in danger and we have played and scheduled up to C4 schools frequently. And our players are not in increased risk either.

You are really exposing yourself as lacking in basic reasoning skills.

 

[MGHS]

Disagree on this point. The member schools can and should change anything they want, anytime they want. Allowing MSHSAA to profit from broadcasts that are produced at school expense, often with volunteer or student staff, should not be happening. That's a bullshit system that is being abused by the money grubbers at MSHSAA.

100% agree .....it's insane the salary's they make.

 

[MGHS]

They had a great chance during covid to make the games free to stream and blew it. That would have at least allowed people to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Now it's clear they are just money hungry.

That is right....their actions showed their true colors.

 

[503_Maple]

Disagree on this point. The member schools can and should change anything they want, anytime they want. Allowing MSHSAA to profit from broadcasts that are produced at school expense, often with volunteer or student staff, should not be happening. That's a bullshit system that is being abused by the money grubbers at MSHSAA.

Rufus, shit talking aside about a few topics? I like you man lol

 

[503_Maple]

Well the Missouri system maintains conferences and rivalries as well and every game counts as well towards conference seedings so they matter. And those one versus eight seeds allows for the opportunities for a Cinderella massive upset and a full schedule of games.

And please spare me the 100% BS player safety drivel ….the real player safety issue is ignored by both states loaded up private schools vs public schools. A eight seed vs a one is not at all a player safety issue. It’s not not like its a college team vs a high school team…jeez lesser sized schools Ex. C1 play C3 etc. yearly in the regular season and those are scheduled.

You need to do better cause you come across as sorely lacking in cognitive skills.

Mike has the worst takes on mosports. And that’s saying something. Try to ignore.

 

[TadQueasy]

MGHS uses a lot of words.

 

[oldbaldguy85]

I would not be surprised if MSHSAA changes the system once again. However, it is likely as good now as it is going to get. No matter what they come up with, there are going to be people complaining. Right now, everyone gets a chance to compete for state championship. Yes, there are first round blowouts. Guess what, if you go to 16 four team districts, there are going to be blowouts in the sectional round so pick your poison. Do you want blowouts in first round of districts or state playoffs? It will be interesting to see IF they change things, what they will come up with. 16 four team districts will not stop the complaining.

 

[Rufus R. Jones]

Rufus, shit talking aside about a few topics? I like you man lol

Good. That is very important to me.

 

[503_Maple]

Good. That is very important to me.

You’re a smartass, and a dick. But you mean well. Like myself. It makes things interesting.

 

[TheRealJoey]

You’re a smartass, and a dick. But you mean well. Like myself. It makes things interesting.

No, that is Veer.

 

[503_Maple]

No, that is Veer.

We got a clan of misfits here. I would think you are apart of this too.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

No, that is Veer.

I'm gonna rufus this:

Your opinion is very important to me.

 

[r14veer]

We got a clan of misfits here. I would think you are apart of this too.

Loudmouth know-it-alls are NOT in short supply here. I hope I'd be included in that number.

 

[BoosterBosko]

No, that is Veer.

We got a clan of misfits here. I would think you are apart of this too.

Loudmouth know-it-alls are NOT in short supply here. I hope I'd be included in that number.

If we're talking misfits, loudmouths, smartasses, and know-it-alls, we GOTTA include us Doc Guys!

 

[TheRealJoey]

If we're talking misfits, loudmouths, smartasses, and know-it-alls, we GOTTA include us Doc Guys!

You mean the Fictional Characters from Bad 80s Movies, Guys?

 

[BoosterBosko]

You mean the Fictional Characters from Bad 80s Movies, Guys?

Excuse me!? You mean the NON fictional characters from GREAT 80s, 90s, and 2000s DOCUMENTARIES!? NICE TRY!

 

[Veer2Eternity]

You mean the Fictional Characters from Bad 80s Movies, Guys?

Oh man.

Oh man.

 

[503_Maple]

Oh man.

Oh man.

Ah shit, here we go again.

 

[MoSooner69]

You knew with a thread this long, it was only a matter of time...

 

[BoosterBosko]

You knew with a thread this long, it was only a matter of time...

Has there EVER been a thread, in MoSports history, that hasnt devolved into nonsense and witty banter?

 

[TheRealJoey]

Has there EVER been a thread, in MoSports history, that hasnt devolved into nonsense and witty banter?

"I know you are, but what am I?" Veer

 

[USArmyMike]

Well the Missouri system maintains conferences and rivalries as well and every game counts as well towards conference seedings so they matter. And those one versus eight seeds allows for the opportunities for a Cinderella massive upset and a full schedule of games.

And please spare me the 100% BS player safety drivel ….the real player safety issue is ignored by both states loaded up private schools vs public schools. A eight seed vs a one is not at all a player safety issue. It’s not not like its a college team vs a high school team…jeez lesser sized schools Ex. C1 play C3 etc. yearly in the regular season and those are scheduled.

You need to do better cause you come across as sorely lacking in cognitive skills.

Ah yes. Another inbred with insults. You’re only argument is public vs private schools and that’s a joke just like you. It’s pretty clear I’m not the one lucky cognitive skills.

Success of private schools comes and goes. Yet certain Public schools that “don’t recruit” build dynasties that last 10 plus years.

It’s pretty clear which private schools this board has a problem with.

 

[USArmyMike]

Mike has the worst takes on mosports. And that’s saying something. Try to ignore.

Then don’t mention me sister lover

 

[r14veer]

"I know you are, but what am I?" Veer

Poor buddy. If this is what you got out of what I said, you probably need to get your persecution complex checked out by a professional.

 

[TheRealJoey]

Poor buddy. If this is what you got out of what I said, you probably need to get your persecution complex checked out by a professional.

I know you are but what am I?

 

[r14veer]

I know you are but what am I?

It’s not your fault.

 

[MGHS]

Ah yes. Anotherbred with insults. You’re only argument is public vs private schools and that’s a joke just like you. It’s pretty clear I’m not the one lucky cognitive skills.

Success of private schools comes and goes. Yet certain Public schools that “don’t recruit” build dynasties that last 10 plus years.

It’s pretty clear which private schools this board has a problem with.

No that is not my only argument....I presented others but clearly your intellectual comprehension is emotionally based and over rode what little logic your grey matter can drum up.

You brought up the injury and danger issue which I quickly and easily exposed as lacking insight and rational thinking. Of course this struck a nerve clearly and you perceived the do diligence of rational thought I used exposing the deficiency in your point of view as a insult. Why? Who knows some people just can't handle being proven wrong at the core level I guess?


Of course you quickly responded like a person in a Pavlov experiment with a primal insult assaulting my ancestry again without proof, data or any reference at all. Do you also insult children for their momma's wearing combat boots? I curious what other low cultural insults do you have swirling around in the cranium that sit's atop your shoulders....do tell Please.

 

[USArmyMike]

No that is not my only argument....I presented others but clearly your intellectual comprehension is emotionally based and over rode what little logic your grey matter can drum up.

You brought up the injury and danger issue which I quickly and easily exposed as lacking insight and rational thinking. Of course this struck a nerve clearly and you perceived the do diligence of rational thought I used exposing the deficiency in your point of view as a insult. Why? Who knows some people just can't handle being proven wrong at the core level I guess?


Of course you quickly responded like a person in a Pavlov experiment with a primal insult assaulting my ancestry again without proof, data or any reference at all. Do you also insult children for their momma's wearing combat boots? I curious what other low cultural insults do you have swirling around in the cranium that sit's atop your shoulders....do tell Please.

You didn’t dispose of anything 🤣. You clearly think way to highly of yourself and you’re probably just maple with a thesaurus. Which would explain this time it took you to respond.

You haven’t offered anything to this board but insults. Like maple (which is why you’re probably the same person) you haven’t had an actual response the correlates to anything other than “private school bad”.

FYI you should seek help. I fell you may have multiple personalities and this one has strong traits of a narcissist.

Now since you can’t actually have a conversation about football, I’ll move on.

 

[MGHS]

I don't duel handle another weak sauce rebuttal just like your inbred response I never insulted you at all I called out your lack of insight, ability to exam and analyze basic data and facts from your postings .

Maybe look at the time's I post and it will be clear I'm not maple.

I clearly pointed out that the Current Missouri system makes the Regular season relevant and meaningful....Same as the Illini......and I also put up for review that the Current Missouri system also keeps the Historical and Necessary Conferences intact same as the Illini.

So really the only major difference between the two systems is that the Illini system expels teams and Denies players often seniors from experiencing a meaningful and possibly very memorable playoff upset.

Of course you tout up some Dubious Lie that teams in the same class playing each other is some overt dangerous situation. So therefore the Illini system is better than the current Missouri system.

Not sure how you came to that conclusion? In fact the Missouri system is better because it doesn't expel teams from the playoff experience, it doesn't engrain into students athletes that quitting is a option and that not trying to strive for the impossible should be the Norm.

Also you might want to leave the Mental health deductions to someone who actually works in that field....Which I do and have for near 30 years. And if you knew anything about the actual profession you would know that having multiple personalities is not a widely accepted belief. I mean it makes for great Hollyweird movies and for the layperson to spew bunk about but not many believe it's a actual diagnosis.

Maybe you should look in the mirror before calling someone a narcissist.... clearly it's you who have trouble with anyone pointing out your obvious errors and then you quickly resorted to grade school barbs about a person's family linage on multiple occasions coupled with your lame attempt at trying to stigmatize that person with a label that you are not near qualified to make.

It appears based on your posting that you lack the mental acumen to differentiate between a poster personally insulting you and that poster pointing out the apparent flaws in your view point or analysis and then questioning your ability make rational and logical conclusions on said subject.

I never called you inbred a narcissist, fat, stupid etc. which are all personal insults .... I did call into question your cognitive abilities and rightfully so, because you are ignoring data and facts and have become emotionally invested in your erroneous belief.

I'm not surprised you don't have the self awareness to see the points I have made and instead react in a fight or flight manner. Attack with immature comments or trying to insinuate a person has dual names on the board and if that fails you want to move on.....

 

[USArmyMike]

I don't duel handle another weak sauce rebuttal just like your inbred response I never insulted you at all I called out your lack of insight, ability to exam and analyze basic data and facts from your postings .

Maybe look at the time's I post and it will be clear I'm not maple.

I clearly pointed out that the Current Missouri system makes the Regular season relevant and meaningful....Same as the Illini......and I also put up for review that the Current Missouri system also keeps the Historical and Necessary Conferences intact same as the Illini.

So really the only major difference between the two systems is that the Illini system expels teams and Denies players often seniors from experiencing a meaningful and possibly very memorable playoff upset.

Of course you tout up some Dubious Lie that teams in the same class playing each other is some overt dangerous situation. So therefore the Illini system is better than the current Missouri system.

Not sure how you came to that conclusion? In fact the Missouri system is better because it doesn't expel teams from the playoff experience, it doesn't engrain into students athletes that quitting is a option and that not trying to strive for the impossible should be the Norm.

Also you might want to leave the Mental health deductions to someone who actually works in that field....Which I do and have for near 30 years. And if you knew anything about the actual profession you would know that having multiple personalities is not a widely accepted belief. I mean it makes for great Hollyweird movies and for the layperson to spew bunk about but not many believe it's a actual diagnosis.

Maybe you should look in the mirror before calling someone a narcissist.... clearly it's you who have trouble with anyone pointing out your obvious errors and then you quickly resorted to grade school barbs about a person's family linage on multiple occasions coupled with your lame attempt at trying to stigmatize that person with a label that you are not near qualified to make.

It appears based on your posting that you lack the mental acumen to differentiate between a poster personally insulting you and that poster pointing out the apparent flaws in your view point or analysis and then questioning your ability make rational and logical conclusions on said subject.

I never called you inbred a narcissist, fat, stupid etc. which are all personal insults .... I did call into question your cognitive abilities and rightfully so, because you are ignoring data and facts and have become emotionally invested in your erroneous belief.

I'm not surprised you don't have the self awareness to see the points I have made and instead react in a fight or flight manner. Attack with immature comments or trying to insinuate a person has dual names on the board and if that fails you want to move on.....

Ok I'll play.

Now don't play victim here. That you are not (which by the way is another trait of a narcissist . Your insults, while directed at me, where in response to someone else. The same post poster who you routinely team up with in order to insult other posters. So, don't get on here and make clams and accusations that are not backed up or supported but by 1 other particular poster. See what you don't seem to realize is you have set a very predictable pattern.

Sorry to burst your bubble but I have worked in a field for 15 years that was directly involved with mental health. Don' make assumptions pal. I've worked with the worst of the worst.

Calling my opinions and suggestions (though we all know on this board will never be considered by mshsaa) as flawed due to my cognitive abilities (or lack there of according to you) is simply ignorant. But if you really are in the field you clam, you already know that.

Now finally please offer my so fact and data. That you have yet to do. You've clear never put a player in an ambulance. I have. You also have never taken a undermanned young team to play a 2 seed top 10 team. I have. You think my seniors enjoyed that? You think really think they thought this is the time of their life as they are getting absolutely blasted by a team that had 4x as many kids. I had 2 kids miss out on their wrestling seasons and on went to state the previous year. Hell their JV would have been beat by 3 scores.

My opinions are not only built on fact and data but based on real experiences. This stance that your ok with an 0-9 or 1-8 school and is struggling to even field a team traveling to get destroyed by a top 10 team in its class but yet in the same breath you don't want to play private schools is one of the most hypocritical opinions I've ever seen. You're probably not even aware the 4 class 1 schools and 1 class 2 school have dropped from districts. Is that ok to you just so everyone gets a chance? Football is a dangerous sport and we shouldn't be putting schools in situations like that. This isn't basketball or baseball or even wrestling. We are purposely pitting poor teams against great teams and for what? to claim we have the most pure system. Those are needless games that should not be played. Texas and Illinois have better systems because the put the most deserving teams in the post and, for the most part, avoid unnecessary games.

 

[MGHS]

I have helped put kids in Ambulances stop playing that game it happens you don't get to wear a medal for doing what every coach in high school etc. has had to do ....We went 0-10 my nephews senior year (proud to be on the staff his whole career and his older brothers as well)and faced for the second time a squad we had lost to in conference by a huge margin.

We had a lot of choices to make going into that last game that was unwinnable against a quality squad..

Guess what we sucked it up and played the game and prepped our Freshman QB for the next season and played the Senior two year starter QB at RB/TE and we gave up 60+ points in another route. That Freshman QB now has thrown for over 5,000 yds and was district player of the year last year. That game was the beginning and he learned some hard lessons that night.

So yes I've been there with our HC taking undermanned and outgunned players versus the #1 seed and I guess My mental outlook and the Mental outlook of our community and staff is different than yours.

As far as facts I pointed out that basically the Illini and our system is the same. That is a fact. The only discernable difference is that they expel squads.

The Burden of Proof is on you that in those 1 vs 8 seeds the injury rate and danger of injury increases at a exponential rate and that rate is effecting player participation across the board.

Find me some data and facts and I will rethink my position..... It sounds to me that you are letting your own emotional and personal experiences cloud and skew your judgement.. Which is what I pointed out by questioning your cognitive analysis of this subject.

You on multiple occasions have pointed to clearly traumatic experiences you have had, putting players in ambulances. Clearly this has clouded your views to a degree. To me it is part of the game, being mentally prepared for the eventual catastrophic injury to a player is a must to anyone who is around the game. Because it will happen it's only a matter of time. It's been awhile since our Program has had a major injury encompassing the brain.......around 1992 if I recall correctly. 100% changed the personality of the player. It was sad but in a sport like football unavoidable.

If it was truly a danger... 1 playing 8's I'd be all in on your side. But that is not the reality of the situation. The reality is that mentally a lot of teams in the 8 spot have no desire to suit up and go play what they feel is a unwinnable game, they would rather just quit and end the season.


Also pointing out your abrasive responses is not playing the victim at all...I never claimed to be one in this thread.

 

[USArmyMike]

I can't give you data that isn't available nor can I give you empathy.

And I honestly don't understand how you can't see how potentially dangerous and unnecessary those games are. You keep taking this stance of suck it up and play, I don't believe every deserves the chance. You had that opportunity during the season.