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Division 1 Talent

mgpantherman

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I'm restate this so no one is confused......I watched a game Monday that featured a girls basketball player who has verbally committed to a NCAA Division 1 school.....who I have watched play several games over the last 3 years and I'm going to guess at least 2 more before this week is over.....And I think since it's been announced she has let her skills go to subpar cause the recruiting game is over.....it's districts play your game and help your team win don't score your 20-30 points and let your other teammates do all the dirty work cause at the next level it won't fly.....rant over.....Oh and the 1 win comment......real nice
 
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How are you confused a girl verbally commits to a division 1 school but she can’t play defense and doesn’t even attempt to follow her shot.....but then again Arkansas did recruit Steven hill and he was the laziest player I ever seen play in high school
 
As I sit here watch a district game I am watch a girl who has committed to play a division 1 school.....since when do division 1 schools want a player who doesn’t follow their shot or play defense....I’m confused
Probably didn't need to against a 1 win team.
 
I was just making a joke. If you go back and read your original post you will understand. Coaches recruit talent and athletic ability. They know they can correct laziness and other flaws.
 
Every year there are kids given offers who will dissapoint at the next level and there are many who might have done well had they been given a chance. Stats are so often twisted. Every year, there are kids who score so many points or hit so many threes, but noone brings up their horrible shooting percentage. Many players are the only decent player on a bad team so they are hyped up or they play summer ball and their “former college star” coach tells every moron in the local media that player x is the “best guard around” ( because he coached her in the summer). How many players have we seen from the Ozarks go to college and quit because they are not nearly as good as was advertised by their coach dad or the ignorant media. Some college coaches are not very good at their job anyway, got promoted after being an assistant, etc. the good ones know that a kid with a work ethic, high IQ and willingness to be versatile enough to play the role needed each year is usually worthy of a scholarship. Then again, maybe the coach of the player you watched has not fostered the right kind of culture within the program and you are seeing the results. Rant over. Man this forum has become so boring...
 
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I think I know who you are talking about and that news surprised me too. I am very skeptical of her at the D1 level. I've seen her play a few times the last couple years at the Thanksgiving tournament they have in Van Buren and see the same things with her. It's a good small school tournament with mostly class 2's and 3's, but she wasn't even the best player there.

She's a great shooter and good finisher, but doesn't defend or have the size or speed for that level. It seems like they must just be taking a chance based on her scoring stats which are really impressive, but based on what I've watched and read on here there is some stat padding going on there. As a D1 I'd be hesitant on a player that has only had individual success and no team success. Looking back on mshsaa it looks like her team has never won their conference, won their district which is by far the weakest class 3 district in that part of the state, or even played in a tournament championship. Just seems like a D1 player would have more team success against a relatively weak schedule.
 
I think she is the first 2019 signing for the new Wichita State staff... They do play in the same conference as UCONN these days and South Florida who is a top 20 school.
 
I think she is the first 2019 signing for the new Wichita State staff... They do play in the same conference as UCONN these days and South Florida who is a top 20 school.
Can't sign until next November, just committed for now.
 
I don't know who the girl is that you are talking about, but I'm sure she and her family are reading this. I think it is in poor taste to attack a teenage athlete on a sports website. How would you like it if someone was doing the same to a child of yours? I hope she goes to college and proves all of you wrong.
 
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When did I ever say I hope said player doesn't succeed.....I'm just asking what is the fundamental basis for being a d1 recruit......in the 25+ years of watching high school baskball I have seen a lot of great players move on to the next level and I have seen a lot of great scorers not succeed due to lack of defensive skills.....I'm guess my question should of been why not recruit the total package
 
Theres no need to be sensitive. I think panthers question was fair and valid. Noone wishes any bad will toward the kids but honestly is appreciated ( we sure aren’t allowed to be honest in public). Lots of players are made out to be stars when the knowledgable fan knows otherwise. MANY coaches in the area feed into that and contribute to said player not becoming more versatile. If the kid is that good, Im sure the parents have heard plenty of people in the crowd being rude and resentful( panther was not rude). I doubt they are worried about a forum.
 
I’m going to go out on a limb and say that the Wichita State coach knows what she’s talking about. She’s been around for quite some time and turned around one D1 program to compete at a high level. I’ll go ahead and take her opinion on talent rather than some Joe Schmo in the bleachers who thinks he knows what talent is and how to recruit
 
Not a D1 talent. D1 talent in Southern Missouri is very easy to see. The Frank girl is a D1 talent. D1 talent stands WAY out. Madison Strong and Cass Johnson are closer comps for this particular girl than a D1 talent. Neither Strong or Johnson went D1. This is no knock on them at all. Both are great players, just not D1 talent.
 
1st it’s not hard to point out that Frank is a D1 talent when she is one of the best players in the entire nation. She’s a big time talent that anyone knows is going to a contender.

Next how can you say she isn’t a D1 talent when she has obviously already received D1 offers?

What college coaching experience (or any coaching for that matter) do you have that allows you to tell a girl she isn’t D1 material when she already has D1 offers? Once again I’m going to take the word of people who have that experience and obviously know what they are doing rather than an upset parent or fan who thinks they know the game
 
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Just sharing my opinion. I have watched a lot of HS basketball around Southern Missouri over the last 20 years. IMO when there is a D1 talent on the court in Southern Missouri it is extremely evident. She is a great scorer. But she is not a complete player. Madison Strong and Cass Johnson are examples of two players that IMO were better than her on the court and yet they did not go D1. She has the commitment to a D1 school, but it is a long time before she steps on a D1 court and actually plays. So we shall see what happens.
 
Just sharing my opinion. I have watched a lot of HS basketball around Southern Missouri over the last 20 years. IMO when there is a D1 talent on the court in Southern Missouri it is extremely evident. She is a great scorer. But she is not a complete player. Madison Strong and Cass Johnson are examples of two players that IMO were better than her on the court and yet they did not go D1. She has the commitment to a D1 school, but it is a long time before she steps on a D1 court and actually plays. So we shall see what happens.

Well, if it is extremely evident, let's hear your list of current players in SWMO who are "D1 talent". I've watched a lot too, and I daresay it's not as easy to predict success at the next level as you suggest it is. I have been surprised in both directions on more than one occasion. And I would also add that just because a player does not sign with a D1 school is no indication that he or she isn't a "D1 talent." One local example is Hailey Diestelkamp at Drury, who is clearly a "D1 talent/athlete" but chose to go D2.
 
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How are you confused a girl verbally commits to a division 1 school but she can’t play defense and doesn’t even attempt to follow her shot.....but then again Arkansas did recruit Steven hill and he was the laziest player I ever seen play in high school
this post is confusing.. On one hand you say point out a player cant play defense and on the other you call Steven Hill lazy. Hill was not lazy, he was not a great offensive player, but a defender and a shot blocker he was.
 
Just sharing my opinion. I have watched a lot of HS basketball around Southern Missouri over the last 20 years. IMO when there is a D1 talent on the court in Southern Missouri it is extremely evident. She is a great scorer. But she is not a complete player. Madison Strong and Cass Johnson are examples of two players that IMO were better than her on the court and yet they did not go D1. She has the commitment to a D1 school, but it is a long time before she steps on a D1 court and actually plays. So we shall see what happens.

Those two are good examples of players that were better than her in all aspects except scoring. Another good example is Andi Haney, also from West Plains. She scored about 20 points a game her last couple years in high school, was a great defender, and good rebounder for a guard. She played against much better competition and had a lot of team success. Again, how many successful D1 players had little or no team success in high school?

The point people are making is that they are surprised she got a D1 offer and that based on what they have seen of her she probably won't be successful at that level, since there have been many players as good or better than her over the years that did not play D1.

Another example for you from the boys side is the Duncan kid from Licking a few years back. He scored about 30 points a game and about 10 rebounds his senior season, but went to Missouri State-West Plains and now Drury. If news had come out that he was signing with Wichita State or Northern Iowa after high school, do you seriously think no one would have discussed whether he could play at that level on these forums? Of course they would have, so stop with the whole "Oh they are just high schoolers, don't talk about them" nonsense. It's a high school basketball forum, so I'd say a player's chances of success at the next level is a pretty appropriate topic. It's not like anyone is hoping for bad things to happen for her. The point is that some people question whether she can or will be successful at that level. It's not personal, it's a sports forum.
 
1st you can’t compare men’s and women’s college basketball. It’s a whole different animal. Athleticism and height come into play a great deal more than it does in the women’s game.

The women’s game is all about systems. I’ve seen a great deal of girls that Were nice players end up going to a high D2 or D1 program that didn’t impress that much in high school. But they ended up having nice college careers. If coaches think you are the right fit for what they do then they want you.

Another thing college coaches tend to recruit on is potential. Yes that word is overused but at the same time do you think a college coach would want to get a player that is maxed out on their ability at the high school level. I’m going to say the coach at hand is recruiting her a lot on potential. She is a big time scorer but at the same time is extremely raw in terms of overall Basketball ability.

Comparing one player to the next and predicting how they do in college is worthless. Every program and every player is completely different. Systems, individual development, coaching, drive,, coachability, and passion for the game vary from one player to the next.

I love seeing players get to extend their career while getting an education paid for and hope for nothing but the best. I’ll take my chances and say she is successful at the next level. If not I’m sure others will get a kick out of telling me I’m wrong. Won’t be the first not last time that has happened
 
Okay since we can compare boys to girls....Tag Morris from Blue Eye she went Missouri State couldn't cut I believe she ended up playing for evangal and drury heck she may have ended up down at College of the Ozarks.....
 
Someone excelling at a D1 school is Jacy Bolton of Drexel. As a sophomore at George Mason she started every game this season and has led her team to the WNIT this season. Just scored a career high 24 pts a couple games ago as well.
 
Couple observations...
When recognizing All-Whatever teams, what do the coaches and media look at? 9/10 it's stats. Whoever scores, gets on the teams. Whether or not a player can or is willing to defend isn't considered. Players whose role is to play defense against the opposing team's best offensive player, while possibly sacrificing offensive stats are rarely rewarded on teams, and rarely offered scholarships by colleges based on their defense. Perhaps the WSU coaches are planning on using some sort of zone or packline man defense, where a player's individual defense isn't as important. I couldn't tell you.

Second, Drew Hansen or Alan Stein, I can't remember which, talks about people who scream at kids from the stands to follow their shot as people who don't know much about basketball. It's just something to scream so they seem like they know the game. He says that if you have put in the repetitions in shooting, you should feel as though every shot leaving your hand is going in, therefore, following your shot is a sign that you are not confident in your shooting ability. Maybe this young lady feels confident that every shot she shoots is going in. Now, if a teammate shoots and she stands out at the three point line with her hands on her hips upset they didn't kick it out to her for her shot, then I'd buy in to the lazy label.
 
Frank is absolutely D1 material and I can promise you she will be a star at MU. She is a complete player that can do everything on the court. She is a top 40 recruit per several national recruiting sites. Let's all not forget the great Jackie. She wasn't a highly ranked recruit but was in a system that allowed her to flourish. In the womens game that is what makes girls special. The last player in MO that I've seen better than Frank is currently killing it at UCONN.
 
Justwondering you are spot on with everything you just stated. Systems in women’s game is key for individual success. And Frank is likely good enough to draw attention from Uconn. She’s a special player
 
A player who has succeeded at the D-1 level to a far greater extent than I would have predicted from watching her play in high school is Nixa's Toshua Leavitt at Texas State. In high school, I marveled at her amazing range, but at least to my eye she didn't stand out as someone who would excel at the D-1 level like she has, especially at 5'4"
 
A player who has succeeded at the D-1 level to a far greater extent than I would have predicted from watching her play in high school is Nixa's Toshua Leavitt at Texas State. In high school, I marveled at her amazing range, but at least to my eye she didn't stand out as someone who would excel at the D-1 level like she has, especially at 5'4"
If she is listed at 5-4, she is probably shorter than that.
 
Frank is absolutely D1 material and I can promise you she will be a star at MU. She is a complete player that can do everything on the court. She is a top 40 recruit per several national recruiting sites. Let's all not forget the great Jackie. She wasn't a highly ranked recruit but was in a system that allowed her to flourish. In the womens game that is what makes girls special. The last player in MO that I've seen better than Frank is currently killing it at UCONN.

Frank has a very good chance of starting at Mizzou her freshman season, because they will be graduating a few spots next season. She bay far the best player in southern Missouri. St. Louis has a few really good players too, Blackwell from Whitfield, the girl from Incarnate Word, and another from Kirkwood I believe.
 
Frank's the only one going to MU. Blackwell to Louisville, Woltman from IWA is going to Purdue and the Kirkwood kid is going elsewhere. MU needs some bigs to come in with Frank. If they don't get any she will be the tallest player at 6'2.
 
Frank's the only one going to MU. Blackwell to Louisville, Woltman from IWA is going to Purdue and the Kirkwood kid is going elsewhere. MU needs some bigs to come in with Frank. If they don't get any she will be the tallest player at 6'2.

I think they have a shot at the 6-5 girl from Derby, Kansas.
 
Okay since we can compare boys to girls....Tag Morris from Blue Eye she went Missouri State couldn't cut I believe she ended up playing for evangal and drury heck she may have ended up down at College of the Ozarks.....
She got hurt and had surgery. She transferred to CofO and after that didnt work out finished her career at Evangel. Never played at Drury. Playing at CofO is no easy task. You dont get much better around here for sure.
 
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