Could Lamar, Lutheran North and Trinity compete in Class 6?
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Ava would have played both those super stacked teams close . And cbc,stayley, Webb , maryville and idk 30 -40 other teams would thrash ava
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Again , its no knock on Lamar..its insane to think they would beat "most" class 6 schools . They beat all class 2 schools and I'd guess they are fine with that
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In NWMO Oak Grove perplexed me this year. SWMO absolutely Kickapoo. Hopefully for both was just a one year mulligan.
I’ll catch flack from several for saying it, but I think yes, actually.
That’s saying a lot, though, that a “down” (relatively speaking) Lamar team still goes undefeated in the Big 8 and in Class 2.
Just so many close games this year in the playoffs for Lamar; either Class 2 is up this year, or Lamar is down (or obviously a combination of the two).
Absolutely. The lack of explosive play that we had last year meant more snaps needed to score, which I would imagine in part led to some of the penalty issues. I also think those same players really helped tighten up our secondary.
Also, it should still be noted we were without our 3 year starting QB after week 5. One of our two main RBs and the leader in the secondary went down in the 1Q against Ava, but luckily was able to return and contribute today, though not up to his pre-injury level. And finally our two year starting center was out against LN, as well as this game. Not that all schools don't battle injuries too, but those are some key positions getting hurt, especially in Class 2 were depth can sometimes be an issue...
As others have said, I believe this will be our biggest rebuilding year since 2015, but people said it couldn't be done then, and I'm not going to bet against Bailey
Congratulations to the Lamar Tigers on another state championship. Seven in a row may never be done again, by any team, in any class. What we are seeing is truly an amazing feat. Lamar has dominated Class 2 for the past several years, but that doesn't seem to be good enough for some on this board. As long as Lamar beats the schools in Class 2 and the Class 3 schools in their conference, and the Class 4 teams in their conference, that is all that matters.
I don't think that Coach Bailey and the Tiger fans care if all of you do or don't think they are good enough to beat some of these bigger schools. It doesn't matter. This years team was a good Class 2 team. Was it the best Lamar team this decade? No. Have there been better Class 2 teams over the years? More than likely, but they were good enough to beat every team on their schedule this year, and that is all that matters. Will the streak end next year? Possibly, but I wouldn't count out Coach Bailey and the Tigers. I would bet they are already preparing for the coming season. As for Tiger fans, enjoy what is transpiring. Don't let what some of these people on here say or think, diminish the amazing run you have had.
I don't think that Coach Bailey and the Tiger fans care if all of you do or don't think they are good enough to beat some of these bigger schools. It doesn't matter. This years team was a good Class 2 team. Was it the best Lamar team this decade? No. Have there been better Class 2 teams over the years? More than likely, but they were good enough to beat every team on their schedule this year, and that is all that matters. Will the streak end next year? Possibly, but I wouldn't count out Coach Bailey and the Tigers. I would bet they are already preparing for the coming season. As for Tiger fans, enjoy what is transpiring. Don't let what some of these people on here say or think, diminish the amazing run you have had.
Yes I would say down a little in terms of past Lamar teams, team speed wise for sure. A few years back they had class 4,5,6 speed believe it or not. 4x100 team ran a low 42 . They all played football too. but how impressive is 7 straight wow great job Tigers.
These posts are seriously getting to the troll level.
Started supposedly because of hot air tweets out of small St Louis privates and always morphs into smaller class bashing and shading.
The class in this is ankle deep.
Started supposedly because of hot air tweets out of small St Louis privates and always morphs into smaller class bashing and shading.
The class in this is ankle deep.
i think the top class 2 teams without soccer in their schools would compete with big schools because at big schools football teams lose athletes to cross country and soccer....if football is the ONLY sport in the fall at a class 2 it levels the playing field a bit compared to the big schools....just my 2 cents
No [2017] Christian Brothers (St. Louis, MO) 38, [2017] Lamar (MO) 21
No [2017] Staley (Kansas City, MO) 38, [2017] Lamar (MO) 24
No [2017] Blue Springs (MO) 28, [2017] Lamar (MO) 17
No. [2017] Park Hill (Kansas City, MO) 31, [2017] Lamar (MO) 27
No. [2017] Bishop Miege (Shawnee Mission, KS) 40, [2017] Lamar (MO) 21
There at least 8-10 KC schools that would beat Lamar every time.
No [2017] Staley (Kansas City, MO) 38, [2017] Lamar (MO) 24
No [2017] Blue Springs (MO) 28, [2017] Lamar (MO) 17
No. [2017] Park Hill (Kansas City, MO) 31, [2017] Lamar (MO) 27
No. [2017] Bishop Miege (Shawnee Mission, KS) 40, [2017] Lamar (MO) 21
There at least 8-10 KC schools that would beat Lamar every time.
Congrats joey. You picked the cream of the crop from kc. Nobody in their right mind would pick lamar against those teams. But what about the bottom feeders?
You are a moron. Of course schools with 100 more kids in some cases, who pick to go to that school, would beat a class two team. The question is would they be competitive.
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I think this provides good evidence to support the original question, "would Lamar "COMPETE" in Class 6. The scores provided above are some of the best teams regardless of class, which tells me Lamar would beat the bottom or play a close game with the bottom 16 class 6 teams. To me that means they would be competitive, not dominate.
Their first 7-8 players might match up, but from 9-22 and into the backups. Significant drop off. Lamar would likely be around a .550 .600 team if you just put them in Class 6.
I think it has been great that Webb dabbled with some Class 6 schools...but play them week to week, and see what happens. Wear and tear of getting physically beat up... Blue Springs week 4, then Blue Springs South...then Lee's Summit West, then Ray Pec... it is a gauntlet of physical tough teams. And it breaks teams down by the end. Many of these teams are extremely deep with good talent. They have to be. Drop down to Lamar...and you will have men getting beat badly at their position by superior athletes. It is just math.
I think it has been great that Webb dabbled with some Class 6 schools...but play them week to week, and see what happens. Wear and tear of getting physically beat up... Blue Springs week 4, then Blue Springs South...then Lee's Summit West, then Ray Pec... it is a gauntlet of physical tough teams. And it breaks teams down by the end. Many of these teams are extremely deep with good talent. They have to be. Drop down to Lamar...and you will have men getting beat badly at their position by superior athletes. It is just math.
Yes a town with no jobs, with kids who just work hard would “only” be around .500 to .600. Lol You don’t see the question was “would they compete” did you? That’s basically agreeing with said statement. Lamar is amazing at what they do constantly in a town like Lamar.
A quick Google search...
Lamar- No soccer
Lamar-Back to Back State XCountry Champs
Always the jackwagons talking 'class warfare' on here. Meanwhile... all the champs just savoring the win.
No thanks. My point was made. Thanks for making it. Let this thread die. For the love of Pete. Lol
.500 against schools more than 4x our size i would say answers the question. Were not gonna win class 6 but if we went 4-5 or 5-4 against a full slate that is pretty incredible
Does he not see he made the agreement for us? Lol
You do realize that you just provided evidence, shaky as Cal-Preps is that Lamar would play Staley as close as Fort Osage did and that they would play the Class 6 champ inside of 3 Tds. If I'm ever arrested I hope you aren't my defense attorney.
I could care less if Lamar is able to beat a Class 6 school. As long as they can compete and beat schools their own size, that is all that matters. Lamar is a very good Class 2 school that could compete with schools a class or two higher. I didn't say they would win against all those schools, I said compete. Just as Maryville and Webb City could compete against schools a class or two higher. But, if any of these schools had to play the top teams in the bigger classes week after week, it would take a toll on them. Just let Lamar enjoy their accomplishments and quit trying to bring them down. Lamar is going through a period like only a few teams in Missouri have ever experienced, just let them enjoy the ride. Quit trying to say they couldn't beat this team or that team. All they have to do is beat the teams on their schedule and the teams their size in the playoffs. And for the past few years, they have done a very good job of that. Congratulations Lamar!!!!
It seems Lamar has finally crossed the same threshold as WC where people get bored with owning C2 and go looking for bigger bears.
The only precedent I can think of is that for a time there was all this talk about Webb City beating up on power C6 teams, Tulsa Union and even D2 college teams. They scheduled a few - HarBer, Rock, Memphis-Ridgeway. Seems like they lost to Ridgeway, split with HarBer, and beat Rock but were beat up in a way that would probably not be sustainable on a weekly basis. So as others suggested, some games can be won, but compete on a weekly basis? I doubt it. I get the wondering... if literally no one in C2 can beat them...just how good are they? But in the end the only thing that matters is how they compete against similar sized schools.
The only precedent I can think of is that for a time there was all this talk about Webb City beating up on power C6 teams, Tulsa Union and even D2 college teams. They scheduled a few - HarBer, Rock, Memphis-Ridgeway. Seems like they lost to Ridgeway, split with HarBer, and beat Rock but were beat up in a way that would probably not be sustainable on a weekly basis. So as others suggested, some games can be won, but compete on a weekly basis? I doubt it. I get the wondering... if literally no one in C2 can beat them...just how good are they? But in the end the only thing that matters is how they compete against similar sized schools.
Stupidest thread ever. Win seven straight titles and you get: "Well you couldn't compete in class 6!" Congrats to Lamar on an amazing feat. Those Lou kids (and coaches) have ran their mouth all year and look where it got them.
Personally I did not see the "Lou" kids disrespect Lamar prior to, during, or after the game. Your assessment is off. And in case you didn't know I'm from Lamar.
Not at the game. On social media, before and not after, with the exception of the coach saying last night that he'd rather get kids to college than win a state championship. I respect their accomplishments wherever they are, but I'm pretty sure they want a state championship as bad as Lamar, and weren't able to get there.
Party, early in this thread it was mentioned that the Lou schools had coaches/players tweeting about their assumed abilities over Class 6 schools. One way or another, these threads always end up in class warfare ... even though it originally had nothing to do with Lamar. Likely because the Lou posters went away. They throw the stink bombs on Twitter and then everyone responds here on MoSports. You are correct - it wasn't anything aimed at Lamar. Praying for immediate death to the class bashing. Hated it when this always came up in the past for Class 4.
You do realize that you just provided evidence, shaky as Cal-Preps is that Lamar would play Staley as close as Fort Osage did and that they would play the Class 6 champ inside of 3 Tds. If I'm ever arrested I hope you aren't my defense attorney.
My point was: They can compete with anyone not in the top quartile. They lose to anyone that is probably from #1 to #12 or so in Class 6...maybe as low as #18.
Calpreps: 83.6% accurate in picking winners. If you eliminate the <7 point spreads, well into the 90s. I'd take that to Vegas anytime.
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