Could Lamar, Lutheran North and Trinity compete in Class 6?
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I would say Lamar is no. Overall strength and team speed of C6 would be waaaay too much to handle. Especially with schools who throw it around.
I would say Trinity/LN has the athletes to compete 1 on 1 in some spots, but no way are they disciplined or polished enough to compete as a team.
Could a Trinity WR or RB juke a class 6 LB and make a cool highlight? Sure. But if they aren't polished enough to even beat a Lamar with the amount of talent they have, then no way are they lining up and competing with a CBC.
So in short, no....
I would say Trinity/LN has the athletes to compete 1 on 1 in some spots, but no way are they disciplined or polished enough to compete as a team.
Could a Trinity WR or RB juke a class 6 LB and make a cool highlight? Sure. But if they aren't polished enough to even beat a Lamar with the amount of talent they have, then no way are they lining up and competing with a CBC.
So in short, no....
LN/Trinity would not win a single game against a KC Class 6 team. Now Kickapoo, McCluer North, and a few other St Louis teams ... they could probably win those.
GOOD TEAMS CAN COMPETE ON ANY COMMON LEVEL. Taking on challenges and overcoming them is at the heart of football and one of the sports core purposes.
Attitude and motivation would go a long way to determining if these 3 specific class 2 sized schools would compete on a class 6 level consistently, but I would also say the same in reverse. A class 6 school would have to battle complacency and overconfidence to compete with schools like Lamar, LN, and Trinity. (Haven't some posted on here that LN and Trinity are basically comprised of big school transfers? Some of their kids have already proven to be capable on the larger field is my point)
I've seen countless examples of BIG schools come into WC or hosted us over the years thinking it would be a cake walk for them because of the disparity of enrollments or that we were in a small town and they weren't and we have handed them thorough beat downs with a smile. However, I have also seen WC make opponents look better than expected because we were looking past them (never seen that from the staff, but kids will be kids on occasion and they listen to social media and buy into it sometimes)
Good coaching isn't just drawing up the right plays, possessing a talented roster, or unlocking the doors to the weight room, it's about getting the kids to drill into a team concept and focus on a common goal. Good coaching with good kids in unison for any school I would say yes they could compete in a regular season. Post season where the better teams are more concentrated this would become more difficult for any team involved as it should. Depth and talent pool year in and year out does give the bigger schools an advantage, but only if the work to use that advantage. It doesn't make it impossible for "David to slay Goliath".
Attitude and motivation would go a long way to determining if these 3 specific class 2 sized schools would compete on a class 6 level consistently, but I would also say the same in reverse. A class 6 school would have to battle complacency and overconfidence to compete with schools like Lamar, LN, and Trinity. (Haven't some posted on here that LN and Trinity are basically comprised of big school transfers? Some of their kids have already proven to be capable on the larger field is my point)
I've seen countless examples of BIG schools come into WC or hosted us over the years thinking it would be a cake walk for them because of the disparity of enrollments or that we were in a small town and they weren't and we have handed them thorough beat downs with a smile. However, I have also seen WC make opponents look better than expected because we were looking past them (never seen that from the staff, but kids will be kids on occasion and they listen to social media and buy into it sometimes)
Good coaching isn't just drawing up the right plays, possessing a talented roster, or unlocking the doors to the weight room, it's about getting the kids to drill into a team concept and focus on a common goal. Good coaching with good kids in unison for any school I would say yes they could compete in a regular season. Post season where the better teams are more concentrated this would become more difficult for any team involved as it should. Depth and talent pool year in and year out does give the bigger schools an advantage, but only if the work to use that advantage. It doesn't make it impossible for "David to slay Goliath".
What if Bailey coached LN or Trinity? Could he win in the top half of Class 6 with those rosters?
It would certainly help. But the lack of depth would show in the second half so even if they could hang for a half they would still lose by 20+.
What if an elephant had toes? Could it open a beer can?
Elephants do have toes (and no they can’t)
Just wondering if the “SEC approved” rosters could compete with world class high school coaching (and I think 7 straight state titles qualifies as “world class” at this point)
Not sure how many two way players Lamar/LN/Trinity have but that's the biggest difference in level of play between Class 1-3 and 4-6. You can't play on high as level every play if playing whole game.
Lamars not your normal size class 2 team. They have over 70 kids on their roster. With a few guys playing both ways but, we all know that the talent pool is going to be more so in a Big City. At a bigger school. Than a tiny town like Lamar population 5000. Trinity and LN both lost to Lamar in the last two years, so all in all none of the teams could compete in C6. Ecspecially year in and year out IMO
Most years with all of their
kids healthy Lamar will beat half of the class 6 schools. When you get past the top dozen schools in class 6 Lamar would beat a lot of them pretty bad.
If Bailey coached Trinity or Lutheran North with the current talent they have he could probably win Class 6, if the players bought in of course. That said if Bailey was at Trinity or Lutheran North he wouldn't be bending (breaking cough, cough) the rules and at that point the talent would be similar to what he has at Lamar.
Lamar could compete well with a lot of Class 6 teams but the ones that are good enough up front to load up against the run on defense and could spread the field on offense with several good receivers could make enough plays down the field to handle Lamar. The question though was compete with. Lamar is a pushover for no one.
All 3 would certainly dominate class 3 and would be top 10 in 4-6 for sure. I went to 1 Lamar game this year and it appeared the whole offensive line meets while the defense is on the field.
Yes. And vice versa. The scouting reports and amount of preparation is unbelievable for any level of high school
Lamar would beat every school in the bottom half of class 6
This ^. Would be fun to watch but wouldnt be sustainable. Not enough depth to make it through a full slate
can they compete? Absolutely. Can they win a state title? Proly not, except on the very rare occasion. I have seen smaller schools dominate MU & CMC summer camps vs much larger schools, not sure if that translates to fall playoffs or not. To me the superior athleticism that is apparent within larger cities is somewhat negated by the toughness from the great small class programs.
I find some of this laughable. I would give a class 1,2,3 team 0% chance of winning a title against a playoff Class 6 team. Class 4 Webb City a 20% chance of winning a class 6 title.
Look at actual game film. The game speed of 280lb+ lineman across the whole front defense and offense line would dominant.
Class 6 wide recievers would toast schools like Lamar and Maryville's secondary.
While I sort of agree with your point, there isn’t a class 6 defense in the state that has a front 4 more heavily recruited than Lutheran North. One DE is an Oklahoma recruit. One DT is an Oklahoma offer and the other 2 are D-I recruits. What class 6 team in Missouri has that this year?
The difference isn’t any individual athletes. It is depth, especially at positions like WR.
Nobody said anything about winning a class6 state title,,,question was compete in class6
Lamar would beat the majority of class6 schools every Friday night.
Lamar is tough, they play a physical brand of ball and could probably win class 2, 3 and maybe class 4 state titles. I think they could compete with most bottom half or more class 5 and 6 teams on a single game schedule but could not withstand a week in week out schedule of the bottom half class 6 teams.
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Lamar would beat the Browns (no turbo).
I’m telling you I’ve seen competitive big schools get stroked by good 2A teams in summer camps, to a point where on the last day of camp the only ones left standing in hitting drills was the small school team, there is something to be said about working on a farm vs playing video games. The small school team looked very small I agree. Let me be clear I don’t think they beat the top of the 4,5,&6A classes, but I believe many large school teams would be caught off guard by say, the recent Lamar teams
Congrats to Lamar for winning its 7th class 2 championship in row. You are a great Class 2 school.
But I will stand by my statement they could not compete with most class 6 school. Not enough speed both on lines and receivers /secondary.
But I will stand by my statement they could not compete with most class 6 school. Not enough speed both on lines and receivers /secondary.
Well they couldn't even beat CJ when they played so what the hell makes you think they could beat 6A teams.
No offense to Lamar but cj would have smoked them this year. But at least Lamar did put a beat down on cj the last time they played
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Have Lutheran North and/or Trinity Catholic call up CBC and request a game...............I will give you ONE guess the response.
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Class 6 in KC this year was all about attrition. Each and every week in the Suburban Gold you either strap it up big time or get beat. Heck even the last place team (Ray-Pec) was darned good! This is a silly thread...............
Wasn’t impressed with Lamar today, no disrespect 7 in a row is unheard of, sloppy game by both teams, I feel like Lafayette Co had the better athletes tho.
That I’m even asking this question is crazy, but was Lamar down this year? I haven’t seen their teams in the past, but I feel like I’ve seen much much better Class 2 teams.
I’d like to know where #41 for Lamar plays in college, kid is a beast
That I’m even asking this question is crazy, but was Lamar down this year? I haven’t seen their teams in the past, but I feel like I’ve seen much much better Class 2 teams.
I’d like to know where #41 for Lamar plays in college, kid is a beast
I think cj, Webb , camdenton , and possibly west plains would have beat Lamar in Webb's class 4 district this year ...put them in joplins class 6 district and they couldnt beat anyone . I will say Lamar has had a team or two that would compete well tho. But who gives a crap? They just won title #7 in a row. Unheard of and undone. Guess what? They dont have to beat CBC or Stayley or Webb. They have to beat class 2 schools and do a damned good job of it
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Did you see them play superstacked Lutheran North the week prior? I'd bet the farm (just an observation not slighting anyone) no other C2 program except the other superstacked one in the Lou would even have come close. Never will forget my little conversation with Webb's HC at the Dome after they won in 2013, a supposedly "down" year for them, and stated these are the years where you find out just how good your program really is. I'd say Lamar is just fine, just a hunch.
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