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COC Week #4

Grew up in my hometown where the local community college ran the power I with much success under Dick Foster. Watching that on Saturday afternoons/evenings in the fall as a kid allowed me to appreciate a physical run game where a team controls the clock, dictates the pace of the game and wins a lot of football games.
Over the years, when you stop and watch how Pittsburg State built its success running the ball under coaches like Franchione and Broyles, guys on the staff like Kill and Patterson, which led to a LARGE coaching tree of guys like Larry Garman (Seneca native) at Pittsburg High, Chuck Smith at St. Mary's-Colgan, Bob Campbell at Fort Scott, Roderique at Webb City -- I know I'm missing some but each of these coaches have won multiple state championships.
Some where along the way, some basketball coach was helping coach football and decided that turning football games into basketball games where getting your best athletes in space with the ball, exploiting matchups and the philosophy that our fourth best receiver is better than your fourth best cover guy became popular to those spread coaches out of Texas.
It is always interesting to see how a coaching staff adjusts their preferred scheme to the talent available.
Watching the CJ at Webb game two weeks ago, I can appreciate what Webb City was doing on offense. Imagine for years seeing the same double tight, splitback option offense and spending a week preparing for it all the time knowing exactly what was coming. Now, they come out in the same formation, show it to you, then decide to shift out of it, a tight end goes to a slot, a running back goes to a slot, the quarterback goes to the shotgun with a back to one side.
Now all of the sudden you come out in a defensive alignment with four down lineman anticipating a double tight end front, perhaps four or at least three linebackers and now, you've got an outside linebacker in one on one coverage with an athlete like Gabe Johnson? Sure, let's run a wheel route with him in one on one against a linebacker let's see who's going to win that matchup. So it's the same principle, finding and exploiting matchups, but now Webb City makes opponents spend more time preparing for more than just one look.
 
This is all correct. You just also have to have Gabe Johnson to begin with.
 
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My question is then how are all of those good football players over a 30 year period born inside of 1 school district? Webb wasn't any better than anyone else for the prior 50 years.
There is no denying there are move ins. There is no denying that parents look at the program when buying a home to raise their children in. I don’t think we need to apologize for WC being a more attractive option for people to raise their children. The Briar Brook area has exploded over the last decade and I pretty sure it is full of people who have moved there because it’s a nice place to live. In doing so enrollment has grown. Do you apologize for that?
But, I would still guess 75-80% of the roster played together since youth ball. You can collect as many athletes as you want but if they don’t buy in it doesn’t matter. Here is your simple answer to why there are so many athletes at Webb City. They work harder than most and the coaches develop kids better then 90% of the teams in the state! A good player will develop to be great at WC. The biggest difference in WC and others is all the marginal players develop to be good solid players here.
As far as the move ins when they’re older, you can keep them. Most of the kids who move in later don’t get it. Heck, there were already dads who moved their kids to WC walking around who thought they had better ideas than JRod. That right there will ultimately slow WC’s run of dominance.
 
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They work harder than most and the coaches develop kids better then 90% of the teams in the state! A good player will develop to be great at WC. The biggest difference in WC and others is all the marginal players develop to be good solid players here.
Whew boy.

Do they lift weights at 8 am?

nobody else does that except..well...ya know.
 
There is no denying there are move ins. There is no denying that parents look at the program when buying a home to raise their children in. I don’t think we need to apologize for WC being a more attractive option for people to raise their children. The Briar Brook area has exploded over the last decade and I pretty sure it is full of people who have moved there because it’s a nice place to live. In doing so enrollment has grown. Do you apologize for that?
But, I would still guess 75-80% of the roster played together since youth ball. You can collect as many athletes as you want but if they don’t buy in it doesn’t matter. Here is your simple answer to why there are so many athletes at Webb City. They work harder than most and the coaches develop kids better then 90% of the teams in the state! A good player will develop to be great at WC. The biggest difference in WC and others is all the marginal players develop to be good solid players here.
As far as the move ins when they’re older, you can keep them. Most of the kids who move in later don’t get it. Heck, there were already dads who moved their kids to WC walking around who thought they had better ideas than JRod. That right there will ultimately slow WC’s run of dominance.
I don't disagree with most of that but there is no 21 state title without Dante Washington who was a high school move in and Webb pursued him a year before he transferred from Joplin
 
I don't disagree with most of that but there is no 21 state title without Dante Washington who was a high school move in and Webb pursued him a year before he transferred from Joplin
He just worked harder when he got to Webb though...
 
I don't disagree with most of that but there is no 21 state title without Dante Washington who was a high school move in and Webb pursued him a year before he transferred from Joplin
I have many thoughts on the Washington situation, few are positive but I won’t.
Again, I cannot deny kids move in to play football. But kids like Washington are the exception as far as skill and impact not the rule and you know it.
 
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Whew boy.

Do they lift weights at 8 am?

nobody else does that except..well...ya know.
Every program has a summer program. They all think they are working hard. Most are not.
I live out of state now. I have seen it in the program my son plays in. Four years ago they went to weights and thought they were working hard. They were not. Their neighbors were working circles around them and our kids had no idea why everyone was better than them. New coach starts demanding more. Hired a legit S&C coach who went to college to be that and spent two years working with a Big 12 program.
Things got ratcheted up quickly. They had no clue what hard work and effort was until then. New coach demanded more in practice. Everyone practices as few hours a day. Now they maximized the two hours. Did more in two days than they did in a week before.
Working harder has nothing to do with a schedule of having kids come in. It’s how you spend that time.
 
Every program has a summer program. They all think they are working hard. Most are not.
I live out of state now. I have seen it in the program my son plays in. Four years ago they went to weights and thought they were working hard. They were not. Their neighbors were working circles around them and our kids had no idea why everyone was better than them. New coach starts demanding more. Hired a legit S&C coach who went to college to be that and spent two years working with a Big 12 program.
Things got ratcheted up quickly. They had no clue what hard work and effort was until then. New coach demanded more in practice. Everyone practices as few hours a day. Now they maximized the two hours. Did more in two days than they did in a week before.
Working harder has nothing to do with a schedule of having kids come in. It’s how you spend that time.
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There is an enormous lack of self-awareness on this board sometimes, too.
Dude you have no clue. I have my 3rd kid Graduating from Webb this year. She does not play sports but I know a vast majority of the kids over the years that have played all sports. And there just aren’t that many kids moving into Webb once they start high school. Especially for sports only. But go on believe what you may.🙄
 
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I don't disagree with most of that but there is no 21 state title without Dante Washington who was a high school move in and Webb pursued him a year before he transferred from Joplin
Many of us know people who have moved their kids to Webb to play football. It is the only way to be good for this long. There is nothing magical about bring born inside the Webb City school district that makes you a good football player. You need kids moving in to have enough talent.
Moved when? When they were in 2nd grade? Just not many move ins post 8th grade. There just isn’t. And you mention Dante, but that was a strange thing anyways. I don’t know what happened in Joplin or Neosho with him. Name another stud athlete that moved in the past 5 years that helped the football team?
 
Moved when? When they were in 2nd grade? Just not many move ins post 8th grade. There just isn’t. And you mention Dante, but that was a strange thing anyways. I don’t know what happened in Joplin or Neosho with him. Name another stud athlete that moved in the past 5 years that helped the football team?
It is mostly elementary school move ins for parents who think their boys are good football players. This provides a steady stream of talent that other schools don't have. There is nothing illegal about it obviously. You can run whatever system you want but without talent it won't work. Jimmys and Joes over Xs and Os.
 
There is no denying there are move ins. There is no denying that parents look at the program when buying a home to raise their children in. I don’t think we need to apologize for WC being a more attractive option for people to raise their children. The Briar Brook area has exploded over the last decade and I pretty sure it is full of people who have moved there because it’s a nice place to live. In doing so enrollment has grown. Do you apologize for that?
But, I would still guess 75-80% of the roster played together since youth ball. You can collect as many athletes as you want but if they don’t buy in it doesn’t matter. Here is your simple answer to why there are so many athletes at Webb City. They work harder than most and the coaches develop kids better then 90% of the teams in the state! A good player will develop to be great at WC. The biggest difference in WC and others is all the marginal players develop to be good solid players here.
As far as the move ins when they’re older, you can keep them. Most of the kids who move in later don’t get it. Heck, there were already dads who moved their kids to WC walking around who thought they had better ideas than JRod. That right there will ultimately slow WC’s run of dominance.
Nice theory but it doesn't hold water. It's not about once having the best HS FB Coach in MO, it is not about the community support, it has nothing to do with kids buying in and working hard for their community and the guy beside them in the huddle, when moving, it is not because parents also look at educational ranking within the state of MO (where they are far better than any other in the Joplin area, with the exception of CJ as these two are typically neck and neck from year to year). This team was elevated and went on a 5 consecutive state championship run and exceptional win streak when they used to have their own comprehensive FB Website and no-holds-barred podcast. There. The truth is now in the open for all to see.

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Nice theory but it doesn't hold water. It's not about once having the best HS FB Coach in MO, it is not about the community support, it has nothing to do with kids buying in and working hard for their community and the guy beside them in the huddle, when moving, it is not because parents also look at educational ranking within the state of MO (where they are far better than any other in the Joplin area, with the exception of CJ as these two are typically neck and neck from year to year). This team was elevated and went on a 5 consecutive state championship run and exceptional win streak when they used to have their own comprehensive FB Website and no-holds-barred podcast. There. The truth is now in the open for all to see.

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It is mostly elementary school move ins for parents who think their boys are good football players. This provides a steady stream of talent that other schools don't have. There is nothing illegal about it obviously. You can run whatever system you want but without talent it won't work. Jimmys and Joes over Xs and Os.
Back to my comment that for some reason many Webb folks don't see it as a move-in or beneficial if the kids are just starting school. I guess because aren't athletes at the time?

For example a family I know. They lived in Carthage but dad insisted they move to Webb City once their oldest was starting school and sports. Mom was a Webb hater but dad was willing to go to the mat to get his boys on that football team because sports are that important to him. Now, unsurprisingly all of their kids look to be promising athletes. How much will they help WC and their absence hurt Carthage and in what sports, who knows but you multiply that by the countless other examples of that exact situation and I don't see how anyone can believe Webb doesn't benefit significantly from this more than other schools. They are known for something and it attracts. In the same way Nixa always has many of the tallest most athletic girls in the Springfield area on their volleyball roster.

There is nothing wrong or unfair about it. It's people making decisions that are best for them. I just don't get all the denying that a component of sustained success is the fact that lots of the right kind of families move there to participate in said success.
 
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Back to my comment that for some reason many Webb folks don't see it as a move-in or beneficial if the kids are just starting school. I guess because aren't athletes at the time?

For example a family I know. They lived in Carthage but dad insisted they move to Webb City once their oldest was starting school and sports. Mom was a Webb hater but dad was willing to go to the mat to get his boys on that football team because sports are that important to him. Now, unsurprisingly all of their kids look to be promising athletes. How much will they help WC and their absence hurt Carthage and in what sports, who knows but you multiply that by the countless other examples of that exact situation and I don't see how anyone can believe Webb doesn't benefit significantly from this more than other schools. They are known for something and it attracts. In the same way Nixa always has many of the tallest most athletic girls in the Springfield area on their volleyball roster.

There is nothing wrong or unfair about it. It's people making decisions that are best for them. I just don't get all the denying that a component of sustained success is the fact that lots of the right kind of families move there to participate in said success.
Hey, now that you mention it, I'm a move in. Just passed my 30 year anniversary. Wasn't even married when I moved in. Now my wife is a WC teacher. My daughter-in-law is a WC teacher. My new grand daughter will likely be a Cardinal but who knows what the future may bring. You nailed it. Families move in all the time. I would really question parents who move for a sport with no consideration of the quality of education that their child will be receiving. If you get both, great. In my experience, from the time my kids were in flag football and youth sports, I've seen nearly as many move out as have moved in. Either way, it typically job or family related, not for a sport. Don't misunderstand, I'm not saying that doesn't happen. If I were a young parent today living in the Springfield area, I would move to Nixa. Not for football, but for education (test scores #6 out of 361 schools in Mo) and that community has a lot of positives. And like you stated, there is nothing wrong about that. We live in a free country and we have the freedom to move our families to communities that are getting it right.
 
I have many thoughts on the Washington situation, few are positive but I won’t.
Again, I cannot deny kids move in to play football. But kids like Washington are the exception as far as skill and impact not the rule and you know it.
 
Dude you have no clue. I have my 3rd kid Graduating from Webb this year. She does not play sports but I know a vast majority of the kids over the years that have played all sports. And there just aren’t that many kids moving into Webb once they start high school. Especially for sports only. But go on believe what you may.🙄
Since your kids and kids they know aren't, it doesn't happen "that much". Cool. Washington class of '21. Weird, when it does happen it just so happens they're pretty good, huh?
 
Btw...there's nothing wrong with it if folks pick up and move, IMHO. But to say it doesn't happen or doesn't exist...yeah, that's kind of the thing. Say a parent from Iowa gets a job in Joplin and they pick up and move. They've got a 3rd grader. They do their homework and enroll at Webb because the 3rd grader shows some interest and ability in football. It's all legit. But again, Webbies thinking it just the water, genetics, 'work harder" mentality...stop it. But cases like Washington, yeah, that's not exactly above board.
 
There has been a lot of discussion about the Washington kid , he first transferred from Neosho to Joplin then to Webb City . His older brother played at Neosho but dropped out of schools after his junior year , his younger brother dropped out after his sophomore year at Neosho , the youngest brother plays for Joplin and the youngest of the bunch , a sister went to school in Neosho , two years ago Dante was playing at Webb , Denver at Neosho and the youngest at Joplin , all at the same time , their Mother Owned a home in Neosho
 
There has been a lot of discussion about the Washington kid , he first transferred from Neosho to Joplin then to Webb City . His older brother played at Neosho but dropped out of schools after his junior year , his younger brother dropped out after his sophomore year at Neosho , the youngest brother plays for Joplin and the youngest of the bunch , a sister went to school in Neosho , two years ago Dante was playing at Webb , Denver at Neosho and the youngest at Joplin , all at the same time , their Mother Owned a home in Neosho
I heard that #8 for Joplin is Dante's brother. Started last year as a freshman. Mainly a DB but seen him a couple times at WR this year.
 
I heard that #8 for Joplin is Dante's brother. Started last year as a freshman. Mainly a DB but seen him a couple times at WR this year.
Correct , and the sister moved to Joplin last month , mom sold here home in Neosho , Denver Washington played at Neosho thru his sophomore year , but there was a little trouble ( not with the law ) and dropped out of school . He was a good athlete
 
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Correct , and the sister moved to Joplin last month , mom sold here home in Neosho , Denver Washington played at Neosho thru his sophomore year , but there was a little trouble ( not with the law ) and dropped out of school . He was a good athlete
Pretty good genetics in that family, but Dante was on another level.
 
Nice theory but it doesn't hold water. It's not about once having the best HS FB Coach in MO, it is not about the community support, it has nothing to do with kids buying in and working hard for their community and the guy beside them in the huddle, when moving, it is not because parents also look at educational ranking within the state of MO (where they are far better than any other in the Joplin area, with the exception of CJ as these two are typically neck and neck from year to year). This team was elevated and went on a 5 consecutive state championship run and exceptional win streak when they used to have their own comprehensive FB Website and no-holds-barred podcast. There. The truth is now in the open for all to see.

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All that silly immature podcast ever did was put a target on Webb’s back, gave their opponents bulletin board material, and gave the haters a legit reason the hate Webb City….

And I loved every minute of doing it! 😂😂
 
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When Camdenton was still Power I, you could do the same thing every Saturday there. It really was impressive. Not that what they do now isn't, I just haven't seen any of it since they made the switch to spread. I do know they're still winning games. Consistency in any sports program is a huge factor in success. Hard to expect them to be very good at it if they just start learning it in 7th or 9th grade. Better have a lot better players than the other team if that's your plan.
THIS is why I am so high (banter etc. aside) on what is happening in Smithville these days. On the main subject I would strongly advise everyone keep a good eye on Webb moving forward in C5. District 7 is all but a gift unless they get too banged up and even then they should win that one.
 
Please don't tell us they have the same last names for the last 805 years.

Although those last names appear at every other school in the area.

Next thing you know, you'll claim webb lifts weights at 8 am.

Crazy talk.
Webb City saves a lot without needing bus drivers. The students do cardinal reminders all the way to school. And yes, they start at 5:01 am to get there on time. 8am.....slackers
 
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