COC Week #4

[Eagles_Ball]

Week 3 Recap...Webb rolls REPMO (little surprised), Willard beats Branson (another surprise), Nixa wins a close one vs Carthage (another surprise), Joplin beats Ozark, and CJ beats Neosho. Three somewhat surprising results in what is shaping up as being a strange year in the COC. On to week 3.

• Willard @ Ozark--Ozark beats Willard, but I think it might be a battle. I'm not sure I thought this a couple weeks ago. Willard is better it seems. But part of me thinks it's not 100% fact. They beat a pretty bad Neosho team, beat an improved Branson team (+3 turnovers helps), and really weren't competitive against Joplin.
• Joplin @ Webb City--Game of the week and game that tells us if Webb is in the race with Joplin and Nixa or if they're the best of the next bunch. Injuries abound for both. Webb has more depth. Joplin's D is for real. Joplin wins a dog fight.
• Nixa @ Branson--Nixa does what Nixa does. I don't see Branson giving them much of a game.
• CJ @ Carthage--Is the Carthage that played close games and lost to Nixa and REPMO the real Carthage? Is Carthage that lost to Branson by 2 TDs the real Carthage? I think Branson will be the anomaly, however I still don't think Carthage is all that good. But they're better than CJ. Carthage by a couple TDs.
• Neosho @ Republic--REPMO by a bunch.

 

[sw5890]

Carthage nearly taking down Nixa was really the only surprise for me. I thought they would lose something like 42-6. WC and Repmo went (almost) exactly like I expected.

I have no idea on Willard/Ozark. I guess I'd go with Willard if I had to but it's still really tough to say how good they are at this point. I've only watched them vs Joplin and I thought they looked like a team that could be good. I haven't seen Ozark at all this year.

I've watched both Webb and Joplin. If Joplin was healthy I'd probably go with them but I'll take a WC team missing 2 or 3 kids over any other team missing 2 or 3 key players every time. With a win, Webb City could potentially earn a share of the COC title and they are very eager to end this losing streak that really has no equal in modern WC history. So they will give it 110% and then some.

Carthage desperately needs to beat CJ and I believe they will but it comes down to turnovers and if they can stop giving up the huge play TDs. The Carthage team that played Repmo and Nixa could make a statement Friday and salvage a respectable season. The Branson game was just a downright poor performance across the board so if that's what shows up CJ will spoil the tigers homecoming.

It's doubful that Neosho hangs with Repmo. I don't personally see Repmo as one of the top teams at this point but they should beat Neosho, probably by a lot.

 

[Stimie69er]

I see Willard improving to 3-1

Webb City & Joplin. Game of the week. I don't even know on this. Webb Ciy offense vs Joplin defense is going to make an intense game. I see this going either way. But I will take Joplin for the win.

Carthage over CJ, Carthage looks like they can stand toe to toe with the best.

I would love to see Neosho knock down REPMO but I don't think it will happen.

 

[Rawlathaballa90]

This is the most difficult to predict season in quite some time. I think Webb will win by more than 8 points. I think Carthage blows it again. Carl has looked good at points. To me, Willard looks better than Ozark but who knows. I think Branson will put up more of a fight than people think. Nixa doesn't seem all that great to me outside of 1 or 2 players.

 

[Veer_left]

Galardo officially tore acl and omari out 4-6 weeks. Wish that wasn't the outcome but excited to see how the junior combo steps up on a full game to replace.

 

[AC100]

Galardo officially tore acl and omari out 4-6 weeks. Wish that wasn't the outcome but excited to see how the junior combo steps up on a full game to replace.

Here is my question. I assume these are 2 good junior RBs. Why do they sit the bench at Webb City instead of going somewhere else where they could play even as sophomores? Before these injuries they were only going to be able to play RB for 1 year.

 

[Mister_Wizard]

COC Week #4, correct? Just reminds us how quickly these seasons go by.

 

[Stimie69er]

Just watched an interview on Fourstates Homepage, looks like Gooch & Holt are playing Friday night.

 

[Veer_left]

Here is my question. I assume these are 2 good junior RBs. Why do they sit the bench at Webb City instead of going somewhere else where they could play even as sophomores? Before these injuries they were only going to be able to play RB for 1 year.

People don't just move to play ball all the time. We bleed WC. 1 year is better than 4 years somewhere else.

 

[AC100]

My assumption is always that they moved to Webb to play football but I guess some people do actually live there lol.

 

[da bears 25]

My assumption is always that they moved to Webb to play football but I guess some people do actually live there lol.

Very few kids are moving into Webb to play football. That is such a huge fallacy on this board. Sure a kids moves in from time to time, but that happens at every school. Almost all the kids playing sports have been in Webb since elementary school.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Very few kids are moving into Webb to play football. That is such a huge fallacy on this board. Sure a kids moves in from time to time, but that happens at every school. Almost all the kids playing sports have been in Webb since elementary school.

Please don't tell us they have the same last names for the last 805 years.

Although those last names appear at every other school in the area.

Next thing you know, you'll claim webb lifts weights at 8 am.

Crazy talk.

 

[AC100]

Very few kids are moving into Webb to play football. That is such a huge fallacy on this board. Sure a kids moves in from time to time, but that happens at every school. Almost all the kids playing sports have been in Webb since elementary school.

Many of us know people who have moved their kids to Webb to play football. It is the only way to be good for this long. There is nothing magical about bring born inside the Webb City school district that makes you a good football player. You need kids moving in to have enough talent.

 

[blindedbythelight]

Many of us know people who have moved their kids to Webb to play football. It is the only way to be good for this long. There is nothing magical about bring born inside the Webb City school district that makes you a good football player. You need kids moving in to have enough talent.

No

 

[J. Kane]

Many of us know people who have moved their kids to Webb to play football. It is the only way to be good for this long. There is nothing magical about bring born inside the Webb City school district that makes you a good football player. You need kids moving in to have enough talent.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

COC Week #4, correct? Just reminds us how quickly these seasons go by.

Fixed that. Thanks! Man, time flies when you're having fun.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

Very few kids are moving into Webb to play football. That is such a huge fallacy on this board. Sure a kids moves in from time to time, but that happens at every school. Almost all the kids playing sports have been in Webb since elementary school.

There is an enormous lack of self-awareness on this board sometimes, too.

 

[Craig Hull]

Not to poke the bear, or reopen this can of worms (again), or open Pandora's Box (again), or beat the dead horse (some more) ...

A completely hypothetical question here ... assume for a minute someone could produce a Webb City Youth Football Program from the 2014 season, a complete program with ALL THREE Webb City Youth Teams (Webb City Red, Webb City White and Webb City Blue) with all 68 names of the players from those three teams, cross reference them with all 33 seniors from the 2023 Webb City Roster, and all 33 seniors would be among those three youth teams? Again, this is only hypothetical.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

Not to poke the bear, or reopen this can of worms (again), or open Pandora's Box (again), or beat the dead horse (some more) ...

A completely hypothetical question here ... assume for a minute someone could produce a Webb City Youth Football Program from the 2014 season, a complete program with ALL THREE Webb City Youth Teams (Webb City Red, Webb City White and Webb City Blue) with all 68 names of the players from those three teams, cross reference them with all 32 seniors from the 2023 Webb City Roster, and all 33 seniors would be among those three youth teams? Again, this is only hypothetical.

You have to know that some of these crazy dudes still have their own Webb mighty might jerseys hanging somewhere. You darn for sure know they save programs.

 

[MoSooner69]

While it is not the floodgate of players that some like the speculate, anyone suggesting that players have not and do not continue to move to Webb for sports is outside their mind,.

 

[Craig Hull]

You have to know that some of these crazy dudes still have their own Webb mighty might jerseys hanging somewhere. You darn for sure know they save programs.

Let's put it this way ... I don't live in Webb City, definitely do not have a Webb City youth football jersey, but I might know someone who has had a little research project going for the past 10 years and has been sitting on the results waiting for the right time to share.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Let's put it this way ... I don't live in Webb City, definitely do not have a Webb City youth football jersey, but I might know someone who has had a little research project going for the past 10 years and has been sitting on the results waiting for the right time to share.

 

[AC100]

I have always thought this would be an interesting project. It would provide proof either way

 

[sw5890]

Many of us know people who have moved their kids to Webb to play football. It is the only way to be good for this long. There is nothing magical about bring born inside the Webb City school district that makes you a good football player. You need kids moving in to have enough talent.

A ton of people in my office moved to Webb as their kids started school and some of them have pretty dang good athletes. For some reason a lot of Webb folks don't see these as "move-ins".

So my perception is it makes a pretty meaningful impact. But many people see these kids as natives because they started school there... the reality is if Webb wasn't Webb the parents wouldn't have moved in the first place and that kid wouldn't be there. Would be interseting to know just how many kids that scenario applies to. I believe it's quite a lot just based on the quantity of people I know who did not go to Webb themselves but have kids there. I mentioned the other day a friend was telling me they had "too many" qualified RBs on one of their teams, not sure which one.

I suspect rosters from the youth leagues to varsity won't change substantially. That doesn't mean kids aren't moving in, it just means they are moving early.

 

[Rawlathaballa90]

A ton of people in my office moved to Webb as their kids started school and some of them have pretty dang good athletes. For some reason a lot of Webb folks don't see these as "move-ins".

So my perception is it makes a pretty meaningful impact. But many people see these kids as natives because they started school there... the reality is if Webb wasn't Webb the parents wouldn't have moved in the first place and that kid wouldn't be there. Would be interseting to know just how many kids that scenario applies to. I believe it's quite a lot just based on the quantity of people I know who did not go to Webb themselves but have kids there. I mentioned the other day a friend was telling me they had "too many" qualified RBs on one of their teams, not sure which one.

I suspect rosters from the youth leagues to varsity won't change substantially. That doesn't mean kids are moving in, it just means they are moving early.

There have been multiple contributors over the last few years who come from through and through Carthage families. Something tells me they're not in Webb for their stellar mathematics department or diverse culture.

 

[J. Kane]

Webb Starts lifting at 8 am for 8 month olds

 

[AC100]

A ton of people in my office moved to Webb as their kids started school and some of them have pretty dang good athletes. For some reason a lot of Webb folks don't see these as "move-ins".

So my perception is it makes a pretty meaningful impact. But many people see these kids as natives because they started school there... the reality is if Webb wasn't Webb the parents wouldn't have moved in the first place and that kid wouldn't be there. Would be interseting to know just how many kids that scenario applies to. I believe it's quite a lot just based on the quantity of people I know who did not go to Webb themselves but have kids there. I mentioned the other day a friend was telling me they had "too many" qualified RBs on one of their teams, not sure which one.

I suspect rosters from the youth leagues to varsity won't change substantially. That doesn't mean kids aren't moving in, it just means they are moving early.

There are a few exceptions (Dante Washington) but mostly parents move their kids to Webb super early.

 

[tigershs]

Webb Starts lifting at 8 am for 8 month olds

OMG LOL!!! From what I saw last week this might be true.

 

[carthagefan2006]

Any idea why Carthage is holding homecoming early this year? Homecoming has ALWAYS been the 3rd home game of the year as long as I can remember regardless of the opponent or whether it falls on week 3 or week 8 so I'm just really confused as to why they're holding it the 2nd home game of the season?

 

[sw5890]

Any idea why Carthage is holding homecoming early this year? Homecoming has ALWAYS been the 3rd home game of the year as long as I can remember regardless of the opponent or whether it falls on week 3 or week 8 so I'm just really confused as to why they're holding it the 2nd home game of the season?

My guess is because they only have 4 home games...Game 1 is too early. Game 3 is Webb City. Game 4 Willard is Senior Night.

 

[CoachFox-ScreamingEagles]

• Ozark--.
• Webb City-
• Nixa
• Carthage
• Republic

 

[Eagles_Ball]

Let's put it this way ... I don't live in Webb City, definitely do not have a Webb City youth football jersey, but I might know someone who has had a little research project going for the past 10 years and has been sitting on the results waiting for the right time to share.

I'd honestly love to see the results. I think a lot of what is said above is true. Our last two moves, we definitely looked at schools and districts as a whole, but athletics certainly played a role in the decision. I have no doubt folks move in to Webb for the same very reasons. I also have no doubt some move in later than others for those very same reasons...Webb's not the only place it happens, but to pretend it doesn't happen is a tad obtuse or naive or both.

 

[Veer_left]

I know that my senior year we had zero move ins in our class. We actually lost 6 starters from move outs from our freshmen years roster. This years soph have 2 move ins and i believe they are both long moves. They lost at least 5 starters from last years team as freshmen. I know you want to poke the bear but we really lose more quality kids than we gain. They just dont move to play football. Parents move for jobs , kids follow.

 

[AC100]

My question is then how are all of those good football players over a 30 year period born inside of 1 school district? Webb wasn't any better than anyone else for the prior 50 years.

 

[J. Kane]

My question is then how are all of those good football players over a 30 year period born inside of 1 school district? Webb wasn't any better than anyone else for the prior 50 years.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

I know you want to poke the bear but we really lose more quality kids than we gain.

Dear lord...

 

[Eagles_Ball]

My question is then how are all of those good football players over a 30 year period born inside of 1 school district? Webb wasn't any better than anyone else for the prior 50 years.

Working harder and coaching better. Duh.

 

[AC100]

I heard they teach the kids the plays in 3rd grade and no one else does that.

 

[Craig Hull]

I heard they teach the kids the plays in 3rd grade and no one else does that.

No need to hear about it, you can go watch in person every Saturday. Third through sixth grade, since at least the late 1980's, quarterback under center, takes the snap, opens up, one back through, the other in pitch correlation.
There will be two tight ends and split backs three yards off the ball. Of course, they will run dive, sneak and sometimes a toss play. But the bare essentials of the base offense is there. It's a thing of beauty to watch it run to perfection.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

No need to hear about it, you can go watch in person every Saturday. Third through sixth grade, since at least the late 1980's, quarterback under center, takes the snap, opens up, one back through, the other in pitch correlation.
There will be two tight ends and split backs three yards off the ball. Of course, they will run dive, sneak and sometimes a toss play. But the bare essentials of the base offense is there. It's a thing of beauty to watch it run to perfection.

When Camdenton was still Power I, you could do the same thing every Saturday there. It really was impressive. Not that what they do now isn't, I just haven't seen any of it since they made the switch to spread. I do know they're still winning games. Consistency in any sports program is a huge factor in success. Hard to expect them to be very good at it if they just start learning it in 7th or 9th grade. Better have a lot better players than the other team if that's your plan.