Are there many Missouri high school kids with that combination? Just curious if this is fairly common nowadays or pretty rare at the high school level.
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Coaches, 515 lbs squat, 300 lbs power clean?
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That close to Latts leg extension and leg curl weights.
"2016 Kearney had 3 500+ squatters and 18 300+ cleaners." Would a program like Webb City and the other state powerhouses have similar numbers?
I'll tell you what you want to hear, those are good numbers for your son in the weight room.
It's not dime a dozen but each team would have a hand full of kids that can do that. It's pretty good but not amazing.
If that is "common" I am really out of touch.
Apparently Kearney should be playing UCM and Northwest........
Is there a reason you are trolling for praise for your kid? It's impressive, you know it's impressive, why isn't that enough?
Heck if my kid can do that, I'll be posting it here with video and all of the above! It's impressive to say the least!
Was curious to get an idea as to how many athletes in the really good football programs around the state have those type numbers. Got some good info. Thanks.
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We all know what you were doing. You've done it all year.
If you are thinking it's "pimping" for a scholarship you are wrong. He has a great one. Seriously, what's your problem?
Not accusing you of "pimping" I'm aware of who you and your son are, if he's already got a scholarship, and we both know he does, YOU know he's not a "normal" high school football player, this is fishing for compliments at best.
Yes, your kid is impressive. Is that what you wanted to hear?
Don't need any compliments, just comparisons to the athletes in the great programs. I know there are many jealous people for various reasons. So comments like your's can be expected.
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Jealousy doesn't factor in. Tired of seeing you fishing for compliments. Like I said, this isn't the 1st time you've done this, not sure it's even the most obnoxious, but make no mistake, it is obnoxious.
Holy cow!! Thats amazing! I dont think my high school had one single athlete with those kinds of numbers! You dont see stuff like that at the high school level very often!
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Gubba, make yourself useful. Why wasn't the player in question recruited harder at the FBS level? Was it his height?
Dude, just say he's your kid and quit insulting everyone's intelligence.
FBS ain't for everyone. Yeah he may throw up that weight, but, there are lots of other kids who can do the same or more. If he's stiff athletically that's a factor, if he's not 6'4" or taller that factors in, idk his grades but those (can) factor in.
How many can run a sub 11 100 meters? How many can Bench Press 225 for 20+ reps...how many can run a 4.3 hand timed 40? This stuff is all nice...but does not mean someone is a good football player. Too much attention to irrelevant metrics nowadays...see it all the time...especially Big 12 teams that recruit someone that is 6'2, can run 4.4, squat whatever...but no hands, and no head for the game. If you can't catch a ball, then running a 4.3 means nothing. If you can't juke...you can't block, you can't move your body the right way on a pull block...can't tackle....then all the metrics and stats don't mean, JACK SQUAT.
Holy cow J. Kane!!! You come through AGAIN with the GIFs!! Where do you find these at?? Good stuff!!
Are you kidding me? Sunshine Ronnie Bass was doing over 300 on our weight machine, junior year. And he was a quarterback.
Youre a hack Gerry! You dont even have your picture on your profile.
I'm dead, remember.
2016 Harrisonville had:
Center 195lb who could just barely lift his body weight on bench and clean and a State Title
Guard 205 lb who was told he would never play sports because of hip problem from birth and limped around the field on every play, and a State Title
Takle/nose guard: had 3 surgeries shoulder, and 2 knees and was in pain every snap both ways, but still made plays, and a State Title
WR/OLB: who made plays all year with an ankle that will require surgery to fix, and a State Title
TE 190 lbs who barely benches 225, and a State Title
ILB's that where all of 5-4 and ran 5.0 or above 40's, State Title
But all of these strong guys talked about in this thread, collectively couldn't lift one of their hearts. Bottom line is the weight room is important, but having guys that buy in and will play harder than anyone else, will win you Championships.
Ditto, and what I said above. Also, why is everyone so enamoured by the clean-- Olympic lifts now?
Vern Gambetta, from Gambetta Sports Training...has some thoughts on the use of Olympic lifting to train football and basketball players:
Olympic lifting is a sport. That sport consists of lifting as much weight as possible in the clean and jerk and the snatch. Those lifts have a high technical demand, but the skill is a closed skill that occurs in one plane through a narrow range of movement. The Olympic lifting movements do produce tremendous power production because of the distance the weight must travel, the weight and the speed requirements. This power production is highly dependent on the technical proficiency of the individual lifter. Essentially, the training of the weight lifter consists of the actual Olympic lifts and some derivative and assistance exercises. There is no running, jumping or other demands on their system. The sole focus is on lifting as much weight as possible.
Olympic lifters traditionally have lifted several times a day. This trend began in the 1980s because of the influence of the Bulgarians who emerged as a dominant power in the 1970s. The Bulgarian weightlifters were reported to have had as many as six lifting sessions in a training day, repeated for up to five or six training days in a microcycle. Each session seldom ever exceeded sixty minutes. All sessions were at very high intensity. All these athletes did was lift, they were not lifting in preparation for a sport. Perhaps the most important underlying factor that enabled them to accomplish this severe training regimen was a program of systematic doping. We know that was a huge factor in the lifters ability to recover and handle the volumes of high intensity work necessary to make the type of strength gains these lifters were making. It also should be pointed out that on the international scene Olympic weightlifting is the “dirtiest” sport in terms of positive drug tests.
The reason for pointing all this out is not to be negative or denigrate the sport; rather it is to put the emphasis on Olympic lifting in perspective. Too many coaches blindly copy the methods of the Olympic lifters without taking these things into consideration. Even if you are an Olympic lifting coach the volumes and intensities reported from the former Eastern bloc countries are beyond anything a drug free athlete can possibly handle for any significant length of time.
Let’s take this a step further. It is very popular among the strength coaching community especially in American football to center their strength training program on Olympic lifting. Many of the football strength coaches continue to blindly copy the volumes and intensities of the Bulgarian and Soviet lifters without considering the previously mentioned facts. This volume and intensity is being applied in addition to the running, agility work, jumping and the sport specific training. It should be easy to see the problems that would arise.
Classical Olympic lifts are very technical in their demands. Typically, in an athletic development setting work the lifting sessions are sequenced after their other work. This is not optimum time to utilize lifts with a significant technical element and high neural demand, because fatigue will compromise technique.
The other factor that must be considered when extrapolating from the world of Olympic weightlifting is body proportions. Olympic lifters, in effect, are pre-selected by their body types. Tall athletes with long limbs are quickly selected out. Smaller athletes with limb lengths that afford a lever advantage succeed. Therefore, to apply Olympic lifting movements without taking into consideration body proportions can severely compromise the effectiveness of the methods. I have seen back injuries occur in tall basketball players and offensive linemen who were required to perform various Olympic lifting movements without modifying the movements for their body proportions.
Another argument given for the use of the Olympic lifting movements is that they help with jumping because in biomechanical analysis of Olympic lifting the pattern of force closely resembled the vertical jump. I may be missing something here, but then why not just jump with resistance. To learn and master the technical complexity of the Olympic lifting movements to improve jumping seems to be a bit of a stretch. In most situations when working with athletes there is not an infinite amount of time available for training. Therefore, I choose methods that will allow me to train the athlete to be better at their sport within the constraints of the available time.
After all this would I recommend using the Olympic lifting movements? Absolutely, I advocate their use across the spectrum of sports because of their potential for power development, but the clear distinction must be made that the movements must be adapted and modified to fit the athlete. It literally must fit the athlete. Body proportions must be carefully considered. Significant modification must be made for the tall athlete. It is important to point out that the Olympic lifting movements do not have to be done with a bar. I have found that Olympic movements with dumbbells to be particularly effective. The factor of body proportions is eliminated because the dumbbell will “fit the body.” The disadvantage of the dumbbell is that you will eventually be limited in the amount of weight that can be lifted so that if you are working with sports that require strength dominated power like football or the throws then it is necessary to use the bar to achieve heavier loading. Dumbbells also allow modification of the pulling movements to be done in diagonal and rotational patterns. The bar essentially locks you into the Sagittal plane. Another interesting modification of Olympic lifting movements is the use of sandbags. Sandbags not only allow you to work multiple planes, but they can be thrown which significantly raises power production.
From a technical perspective make sure that you as a coach know and understand the technique. Master the teaching progressions. Be sure to allow time in the training program for skill acquisition before adding significant loading. Also teach and preferably train the movements in a non-fatigued state. Adapt the method to the athlete, not the athlete to the method. Remember you are not training Olympic lifters; you are training athletes who use the Olympic lifts and derivatives to raise explosive power.
kmotb, interesting last paragraph. Can't totally agree with the first sentence of that paragraph. When you got that kind of desire and are super strong on top of it, it's quite a combination. I like the closing sentence very much.
Overall, great point to your post.
Overall, great point to your post.
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Most of the time you got that strong BECAUSE you had the heart to do it.
If you know so much about athletics, why do you need to ask if 515 and 300 are "good for high school"?
Unless you're just fishing for compliments and living through your kid?
Btw, 515 and 300 are good, but would be way more impressive from a 200 lb kid than they are from a 250 lber.
But since your resume is so impressive, you already know that...
