Classifications are out - Class 3 review
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I also see Lutheran North is also Class 3 but are they going to play this fall? If they play and can play enough to qualify they always would be a very tough team to deal with. Anyone know if they are going to play?
Valle will win class 3 state. Enjoy them until they move to class 4
Ava should clear District 5. District 6 has some good teams with Cassville, Mt Vernon, Aurora. I can imagine a rematch later on between Cassville and Mt Vernon could almost go either way.
District 7 you have Odessa and District 8 is wide open from the looks of things. Could be easy sailings for Odessa till the Quarterfinals when they would be playing possibly Ava or who ever can come out on top between Cassville, Mt Vernon, and Aurora.
If Lutheran North does qualify for state play they could be given a rematch game against Blair Oaks in Sectionals which would be HUGE.
District 1 you got Valle Catholic, District 2 you got Park Hills and St Clair. Honestly since I don't know much on them and since I know about the fire power of Lutheran North and Blair Oaks (seen all of their games this year) I would give a nod to those 2 teams at this time in quarters. Valle Catholic has been a force to reckon with over the past few years in Class 1 and even so far this year. To really get an understanding on where they would stand against a true Class 3 state opponent I would need to see a little bit better matchup first as stated with Kennett at the end of districts. I have seen Blair Oaks put a thumping on teams and then that team would go into another person's house and put a thumping on them. They are better this year than they were last year when they fell to Cassville in quarters. Lutheran North on the other hand has yet to play a game but we all know they are usually good to go against who ever they are matched up with. To say Valle Catholic will be able to cruise through either Blair Oaks and or Lutheran North would be a far fetched fantasy.
District 7 you have Odessa and District 8 is wide open from the looks of things. Could be easy sailings for Odessa till the Quarterfinals when they would be playing possibly Ava or who ever can come out on top between Cassville, Mt Vernon, and Aurora.
If Lutheran North does qualify for state play they could be given a rematch game against Blair Oaks in Sectionals which would be HUGE.
District 1 you got Valle Catholic, District 2 you got Park Hills and St Clair. Honestly since I don't know much on them and since I know about the fire power of Lutheran North and Blair Oaks (seen all of their games this year) I would give a nod to those 2 teams at this time in quarters. Valle Catholic has been a force to reckon with over the past few years in Class 1 and even so far this year. To really get an understanding on where they would stand against a true Class 3 state opponent I would need to see a little bit better matchup first as stated with Kennett at the end of districts. I have seen Blair Oaks put a thumping on teams and then that team would go into another person's house and put a thumping on them. They are better this year than they were last year when they fell to Cassville in quarters. Lutheran North on the other hand has yet to play a game but we all know they are usually good to go against who ever they are matched up with. To say Valle Catholic will be able to cruise through either Blair Oaks and or Lutheran North would be a far fetched fantasy.
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Odessa is quietly thumping everyone again so far BUT this won't be anything like last year with those other two you mentioned in the mix.
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If we want to add a fourth possible upsetter I would say Odessa's first opponent Southern Boone. They just took care of a much improved Richmond, too.
Southern Boone is not that good. They played Odessa well, they beat Richmond. They cam back and beat Boonville but Blair Oaks destroyed Boonville. Blair Oaks will probably destroy SOBOCO (Southern Boone) as well.
Rumor is they are trying to work it out so that they can play, but nothing has been finalized yet. You should hear an announcement from a lot of STL county schools this week.
It's hard to say how good they'll be. With as many commits and Power 5 kids that they have on their team, it isn't really saying much that they'll compete in class 3. Them winning class 2 last year, is like a grown man bragging about beating up a small child. With that being said though, class 3 will definitely be a challenge for them. It took them that long to win a state title last year with as many dudes as they have.
Blair Oaks is not as good as they were 2 years ago. They are better than they were last year when they lost to Cassville in the quarters but that is with a Freshman QB. That QB is much improved this year with one year under his belt.
Lutheran North can compete in Class 3 if they are given that chance. LN played Blair Oaks in quarters of Class 3 in 2018 which was a very good game BTW. I would have to say that was pretty much the state title game that year of Class 3 as when Blair Oaks went on to the state title they won 50+ - 0. LN against BO again this year would be a huge game on both sides with the recent thoughts of 2 years ago still recent.
Lutheran North can compete in Class 3 if they are given that chance. LN played Blair Oaks in quarters of Class 3 in 2018 which was a very good game BTW. I would have to say that was pretty much the state title game that year of Class 3 as when Blair Oaks went on to the state title they won 50+ - 0. LN against BO again this year would be a huge game on both sides with the recent thoughts of 2 years ago still recent.
Blair Oaks, Lutheran North, Odessa, Kennett, Valle Catholic and at least one team from SWMO will most likely be the true title contenders for Class 3.
As far as Blair Oaks goes, I think the 2020 team has the potential to be better than the 2018 team. If you are comparing the two, 2020 BO is better than 2018 BO through the first 4 games of the year.
2020 BO's defense in my opinion is better than 2018 BO's defense was at any point in the season, even though 2018 BO had a great defense. 2020 BO's offense is better than 2018 BO's offense through the first 4 games, but not as good (yet) as the 2018 BO offense was by the end of the season.
Blair Oaks first team defense hasn't given up a point this season, and hasn't given up over 35 or 40 yards of total offense in a game this year. They held Maryville to negative yards rushing, and 30 yards of total offense. California had negative yards rushing, and only had 8 yards of total offense on them. Knob Knoster had 25 or 30 yards only. Boonville had around 35 or 40 total yards. Like I said 2018 BO had a great defense, but from what I've seen I don't think they were ever on the level of 2020 BO's defense at any point in time during the season.
2020 BO offense has scored on I think on 25 of 29, or 26 of 30 possessions through the first 4 games of the year. From what I've seen I think 2020 BO offense has the potential to be better than 2018 BO offense, through the first 4 games they are, but we'll see how the season goes.
The key for Blair Oaks is staying healthy, 2018 Blair Oaks stayed healthy the entire year. If the 2020 Blair Oaks team stays healthy the entire year, I am saying with strong confidence that they will end up being better than the 2018 Blair Oaks team.
Not saying they are hands down winning the state title, because there are plenty of other really good teams in Class 3 that could win state. I'm just comparing Blair Oaks of 2018 to Blair Oaks of 2020.
As far as Blair Oaks goes, I think the 2020 team has the potential to be better than the 2018 team. If you are comparing the two, 2020 BO is better than 2018 BO through the first 4 games of the year.
2020 BO's defense in my opinion is better than 2018 BO's defense was at any point in the season, even though 2018 BO had a great defense. 2020 BO's offense is better than 2018 BO's offense through the first 4 games, but not as good (yet) as the 2018 BO offense was by the end of the season.
Blair Oaks first team defense hasn't given up a point this season, and hasn't given up over 35 or 40 yards of total offense in a game this year. They held Maryville to negative yards rushing, and 30 yards of total offense. California had negative yards rushing, and only had 8 yards of total offense on them. Knob Knoster had 25 or 30 yards only. Boonville had around 35 or 40 total yards. Like I said 2018 BO had a great defense, but from what I've seen I don't think they were ever on the level of 2020 BO's defense at any point in time during the season.
2020 BO offense has scored on I think on 25 of 29, or 26 of 30 possessions through the first 4 games of the year. From what I've seen I think 2020 BO offense has the potential to be better than 2018 BO offense, through the first 4 games they are, but we'll see how the season goes.
The key for Blair Oaks is staying healthy, 2018 Blair Oaks stayed healthy the entire year. If the 2020 Blair Oaks team stays healthy the entire year, I am saying with strong confidence that they will end up being better than the 2018 Blair Oaks team.
Not saying they are hands down winning the state title, because there are plenty of other really good teams in Class 3 that could win state. I'm just comparing Blair Oaks of 2018 to Blair Oaks of 2020.
District 5 is a lot tougher than 6 But it has always been that way. But, Hard to say Ava should clear when they have already lost head to head against Buffalo. But you would have to think its one of those two... a huge drop after..... Mt Vernon and Cassville in Dist 5, But dont forget about Reeds Spring, Hollister, and Aurora. A pretty good team is gonna be on the road in the first round.
Geezus, it was a joke about them not even playing this year
Cassville is coming out of that district. Especially with MV stud WR going down. Cassville is too big. Too fast. Too well coached. They should be in the mix again late in the playoffs.
My moneys on Blair Oaks. They are consistently good and very well coached.
I saw 3 of Valle's games on Hudl. Are they class 3 elite not sure. They have a wide receiver that is incredible. Their offensive scheme is very good. They are very disciplined. Not sold on their defense being able to stop a good class 3 offense. Their schedule is not very good and they will not be tested until the playoffs. It will be interesting to see if they can win class 3.
They can only move up 2 classes. So unless the enrollment changes, class 3 is the highest they can go
Class 3 Top 10
based upon current knowledge this is where I put Class 3 at right now:
1: Blair Oaks 4-0
2: Odessa 4-0
3: Lutheran North 0-0
4: Valle Catholic 4-0
5: Mt Vernon 4-0
6: St Francis Borgia (2-2) losses to Fox and Helias
7: Cassville 3-1
8: Buffalo 4-0
9: Centralia 3-0
10: Southern Boone 3-1
6-9 can be rearranged easily but I am liking where they are now.
based upon current knowledge this is where I put Class 3 at right now:
1: Blair Oaks 4-0
2: Odessa 4-0
3: Lutheran North 0-0
4: Valle Catholic 4-0
5: Mt Vernon 4-0
6: St Francis Borgia (2-2) losses to Fox and Helias
7: Cassville 3-1
8: Buffalo 4-0
9: Centralia 3-0
10: Southern Boone 3-1
6-9 can be rearranged easily but I am liking where they are now.
How on EARTH, does a 0-0 team get ranked!? Pre-season, sure, rank the teams. That team has yet to play a down of football!!
Are the St.Louis schools practicing now or will they start 14 days prior to districts and come in fresh ready to play? They will make for some great 8-1 matchups the first round of districts.
My understanding is they are setting up schedules right now and play at least a 4 game schedule.
Don’t blame this on them. Most are trying to find ways to play.
Valle has blown their competition out of the water. Though until they play a legit class 3 team it is still difficult to say exactly where they are. I also put Lutheran North in where I think they would stand if the media looked at them (all D1 recuits stacked and all concerning returning talent) against what the rest of the top 10 teams currently sit. I am happy putting them in the Top 5 in Class 3. Not at the top, not at the bottom, but right where they would have been if it was preseason and not a down was played.
I put Odessa below Blair Oaks because of how well Southern Boone played them and then how Southern Boone then went in to Boonville and came out with a win. If Odessa would have blown out Southern Boone I probably would have put them at number 1. Blair Oaks destroyed Booneville. Based upon how the media would look at that data Blair Oaks then would get the nod at #1 with Odessa sitting at #2 or #3 depending on their thoughts of Lutheran North and Valle Catholic. Being Valle Catholic has yet to be truly tested and Lutheran North has talent and in the past has a history against Blair Oaks and their history against upper echelon teams I have to place them above Valle Catholic at the very least.
I put Odessa below Blair Oaks because of how well Southern Boone played them and then how Southern Boone then went in to Boonville and came out with a win. If Odessa would have blown out Southern Boone I probably would have put them at number 1. Blair Oaks destroyed Booneville. Based upon how the media would look at that data Blair Oaks then would get the nod at #1 with Odessa sitting at #2 or #3 depending on their thoughts of Lutheran North and Valle Catholic. Being Valle Catholic has yet to be truly tested and Lutheran North has talent and in the past has a history against Blair Oaks and their history against upper echelon teams I have to place them above Valle Catholic at the very least.
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Not blaming them at all. Just curious how that will play out in district seedings is all.
Valle is good. Kennett will be a good test. I don't know if they can play with LN, Blair Oaks, or Odessa. But they are a Top 10 Class 3 team. Most people don't believe a former Class 1 can play with best Class 3. If they can win Class 3, it would be their greatest championship. They did win Class 2 a time or two years ago. I can't see them beating Luthern North if they are loaded with DI talent like most years.
One thing about Valle - with a light schedule the rest of the way, their starters won't play 4 qtrs and a better chance of staying healthy.
One thing about Valle - with a light schedule the rest of the way, their starters won't play 4 qtrs and a better chance of staying healthy.
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i have heard 10/2 or 10/9 for stl schools to start, but i don't know if that means in other counties or in stl county. its going to suck for seeds because some good teams with only 3 wins are going to be 6-7-8 seeds and might crush some schools that have played all year.
I think Kennett will beat Valle. Kennett is really big up front, skills are super athletic, offense will motion into advantaged blocking schemes and the defense will blitz all night. Valle's continued cupcake of a schedule will not prepare them for Kennett. If Valle is going to stay Class 3 they need to move into a tougher conference or go independent. Now that they are Class 3 it makes sense for those JCC schools to finally get rid of Valle. Maybe they can get into the MAFC with Central & Co. No reason now not to add them into the conference since they are the same classification.
The number of games played has no effect on district points or seeds. Since MSHSAA dropped the 5 game minimum rule for this season a team can be 1-0 and be the 1 seed in the district
One of a scant few things that was 2020 proof. The only statistical advantage would be if a team plays up a few classes those points are not eroded away as much as a full season would normally. We're talking a couple of points here, so that could be significant when we've seen seeds come down to the hundredth of a point.
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