Class Breakdowns 2020

[HBL Pirates fan_1990]

If I'm reading this article right. Teams like Rockhurst, DeSmet, CBC, Vianney, Chaminade, St Louis University, Missouri Military Academy, Priory and Saint Mary's will still have a 1.35 Multiplier but will still have the postseason success two. The only schools that are on this list will probably move up a class next year is Vianney and Chaminade.


http://www.ozarkssportszone.com/201...to-the-way-mshsaa-determines-classifications/

 

[bhunt95]

If I'm reading this article right. Teams like Rockhurst, DeSmet, CBC, Vianney, Chaminade, St Louis University, Missouri Military Academy, Priory and Saint Mary's will still have a 1.35 Multiplier but will still have the postseason success two. The only schools that are on this list will probably move up a class next year is Vianney and Chaminade.


http://www.ozarkssportszone.com/201...to-the-way-mshsaa-determines-classifications/

Think article wrong on single gender schools. Common logic would keep it at 2x.

 

[MC_PL01]

http://www.ozarkssportszone.com/201...to-the-way-mshsaa-determines-classifications/

MSHSAA Communications Director Jason West said...

"If a non-public school moves up a class it won’t mean another school moves down. It would just make one class one school bigger and another one school smaller."


-The only adjustments that will be made for unisex schools. Those that are single sex will still be doubled and that number will be used as their raw enrollment to determine where their starting base is.”

Article says doubled. It's posters that are confusing 1.35 for single gender.

 

[Jomjam]

http://www.ozarkssportszone.com/201...to-the-way-mshsaa-determines-classifications/

MSHSAA Communications Director Jason West said...

"If a non-public school moves up a class it won’t mean another school moves down. It would just make one class one school bigger and another one school smaller."


-The only adjustments that will be made for unisex schools. Those that are single sex will still be doubled and that number will be used as their raw enrollment to determine where their starting base is.”

Article says doubled. It's posters that are confusing 1.35 for single gender.

I get that he thinks another school won’t move down, but the privates base point will be lower so naturally things will have to move around.

 

[MC_PL01]

Yeah first year will be a lot of shuffling. Also the classes above 1 can't have more than 2x top to bottom. There is no telling where all the class breaks will be.

 

[FBisLife12]

This one has some decent explanations for next year. Says during the proposal, the example given for assessing success in football was based upon ...

1 pt for winning Districts
2 pts for winning Quarterfinals
3 pts for winning Semifinals
4 pts for winning State

Points for each year aren’t cumulative (winning State is 4 points, not 10). One or two private schools in each classification will likely have significantly more points, with 2-3 well below them, and the majority of privates with zero points.

https://www.stltoday.com/sports/hig...fc2bd80c-946e-11e9-a649-2fc3f75282fc.amp.html

 

[CaptainBackslap]

Let’s hope they keep Class 6 and Class 5 about the same. Class 6 is one of the most competitive classes because it has 32 teams. There are very few class 5 schools that can be competitive in class 6. Look at what Lee’s Summit West(an 8 seed) did to Staley this year. Look at what Rockhurst has done to Battle recently. Adding 20 teams to class 6 would be a disaster.

 

[bullitpdq68]

Let’s hope they keep Class 6 and Class 5 about the same. Class 6 is one of the most competitive classes because it has 32 teams. There are very few class 5 schools that can be competitive in class 6. Look at what Lee’s Summit West(an 8 seed) did to Staley this year. Look at what Rockhurst has done to Battle recently. Adding 20 teams to class 6 would be a disaster.

What the Hell, you could say that about every class. Right now in class 1-4 we are down to 32 schools left and most of the games tonight should be competitive. So if 32 teams is good for class 6 and makes it competitive, why would it not be good for the other classes? Why should class 6 be treated any different than the other 5 classes...well basically 4 classes because class 5 just has 35 schools in it.

 

[Mike*Honcho]

What the Hell, you could say that about every class.

I don't agree. The top 5-10 teams in each class could perform well in the class above them, other than moving Class 5 teams to 6.

 

[CaptainBackslap]

What the Hell, you could say that about every class. Right now in class 1-4 we are down to 32 schools left and most of the games tonight should be competitive. So if 32 teams is good for class 6 and makes it competitive, why would it not be good for the other classes? Why should class 6 be treated any different than the other 5 classes...well basically 4 classes because class 5 just has 35 schools in it.

But it’s not nearly as size related in the smaller classes. Orrick won multiple titles while one of the smallest class 1 schools. Hamilton won a title as the smallest class 2 School. Look how Maryville has done as a small class 3 school.

 

[MoSooner69]

Class 5 has got to be changed. All the byes put bad teams still playing in Week 11. There are several small schools better than many of the Class 5 schools playing today. The idea of evening out the classes is one of the best I have heard.

 

[Mike*Honcho]

Class 5 has got to be changed. All the byes put bad teams still playing in Week 11. There are several small schools better than many of the Class 5 schools playing today. The idea of evening out the classes is one of the best I have heard.

So the solution to bad schools in Class 5 is to move them up to Class 6? What does that fix?

 

[MoSooner69]

No, the solution is to even out the classes.

 

[Team Tiger]

No guarantee this is correct but using 1-4 point system, here are the point totals for the top privates the last 5 years.

Valle 13
LN 6
Ritter 5
Trinity 7
JB 7
Helias 1
MICDS 3
Chaminade 3
Vianney 9
Rock 9
CBC 17

 

[USArmyMike]

I think the success multiplier will work but it will take another 2 years to even out.

 

[Cards1968]

No guarantee this is correct but using 1-4 point system, here are the point totals for the top privates the last 5 years.

Valle 13
LN 6
Ritter 5
Trinity 7
JB 7
Helias 1
MICDS 3
Chaminade 3
Vianney 9
Rock 9
CBC 17

So, something like 6 points/class then seems about right. We'll see.

 

[BearsCountry]

I think there is too much worrying about the boogeyman private schools IMO.

 

[Cards1968]

I think there is too much worrying about the boogeyman private schools IMO.

Tell that to all of Class 2. They literally have no shot.

 

[USArmyMike]

I think regular season wins should be factored in as well. 38 wins over 6 years is 2 point (program averaged more than 6 wins per year) and 4 points for 50 wins (averaged more than 8 wins per year)

Cheating needs to be included as well. Any private school caught cheating will automatically receive 4 points and all forfeited games will count as wins.

Private schools should also possibly be bumped up 3 classes as well, not 2.
6 point for 1 class, 12 for 2 classes and 18 for 3 classes.

Finally I’d like to see the success multiplier for public schools too but only 12 points for 1 class. It was would have to include a state title in the previous 2 years

 

[USArmyMike]

On a side note why hasn’t Mshsaa released enrollments yet? They have them. Why hold on?

WHAT ARE YOU HIDING MSHSAA!!!

 

[WaggleQB]

Rockhurst (all boys), St. Teresa's Academy (KC, all girls), Visitation Academy (StL) are three that pop into my aging mind fairly quickly.

Vianney?

 

[Mike*Honcho]

WHAT ARE YOU HIDING MSHSAA!!!

They're hiding the enrollment numbers. Didn't you just say that?

 

[Jomjam]

I think regular season wins should be factored in as well. 38 wins over 6 years is 2 point (program averaged more than 6 wins per year) and 4 points for 50 wins (averaged more than 8 wins per year)

Cheating needs to be included as well. Any private school caught cheating will automatically receive 4 points and all forfeited games will count as wins.

Private schools should also possibly be bumped up 3 classes as well, not 2.
6 point for 1 class, 12 for 2 classes and 18 for 3 classes.

Finally I’d like to see the success multiplier for public schools too but only 12 points for 1 class. It was would have to include a state title in the previous 2 years

This makes 0 sense. Privates should be bumped up 3 classes? Grow up.

 

[WaggleQB]

I think there is too much worrying about the boogeyman private schools IMO.

Private Schools should have their own division and have at it!

 

[bullitpdq68]

So the solution to bad schools in Class 5 is to move them up to Class 6? What does that fix?

in Class 5 and 6 If you already 700 boys walking the halls of your school what does having an 75 extra boys change in some cases?

However in some of the smaller classes we are talking almost double. Sure you have some good programs that can compete. Webb City a class 4 school could compete better in class 6 than most class 5 schools. But just because you have one school doesn't mean it is fair for about 40 who will never have those types of programs. If 32 is good enough for class 6 it should be good enough for the rest. I think 48 each class would be about right.

 

[Treadmill]

Private Schools should have their own division and have at it!

This is the best solution.

 

[da bears 25]

I hope class 6 stays at 32 schools. It's the one thing that has seemed pretty steady over the years.

Evening out the other classes makes sense, class 5 always seems odd.

 

[Team Tiger]

So, something like 6 points/class then seems about right. We'll see.

Keep in mind this year will be added to these totals. I could see 6 or 7 being the first cut off but, I think the second cut off needs to be about around 10. When it is all said and done I think most will end up in the same class or possible move down one. I could see Valle going to class 3 for a few years but then back down to 2 and LN possibly up to 3. I think the real shakeup will come from all the other privates coming down classes and the rumors of multiple schools going 8 man. Landscape is definitely going to be changing.

 

[Team Tiger]

No guarantee this is correct but using 1-4 point system, here are the point totals for the top privates the last 5 years.

Valle 13
LN 6
Ritter 5
Trinity 7
JB 7
Helias 1
MICDS 3
Chaminade 3
Vianney 9
Rock 9
CBC 17

My prediction for where they end up based on this years classes.

Valle 3 (to 2 soon)
LN 2
Ritter 3
Trinity 3
JB 3 (to 2 soon)
Helias 3
MICDS 3
Chaminade 4
Vianney 6
Rock 6
CBC 6

 

[BearsCountry]

Tell that to all of Class 2. They literally have no shot.

A private school hasn't won Class 2 state championship since 2002......

 

[Cards1968]

A private school hasn't won Class 2 state championship since 2002......

Well aware. Hope it continues. Don't see it.

 

[daveok]

Whats privates Schools are single-gender?

Missouri Military Academy in Mexico

 

[daveok]

I think the success multiplier should be applied across the board with both private and public schools. There are just as many "dynasties" in the public schools as there are in the private schools. Plus going back six years is too much. I mean this next years seniors were not even in the high school six years back.

 

[Mike*Honcho]

I think the success multiplier should be applied across the board with both private and public schools. There are just as many "dynasties" in the public schools as there are in the private schools. Plus going back six years is too much. I mean this next years seniors were not even in the high school six years back.

But public schools have district boundaries, privates do not. That is why they are treated differently.

 

[JNreturns]

But public schools have district boundaries, privates do not. That is why they are treated differently.

But then you get "football magnet public schools" where kids' parents find apartments to change residency.... See Staley, Webb, Lee's Summit West, and probably Liberty North now. Among others.

 

[Mike*Honcho]

But then you get "football magnet public schools" where kids' parents find apartments to change residency.... See Staley, Webb, Lee's Summit West, and probably Liberty North now. Among others.

Yes, people move but the public school district boundary rules still apply. Those rules are different for private schools.

 

[Jomjam]

I feel like a success multiplier does well, a lot of privates don’t “recruit” for football like everyone thinks they do, it does even it a little for them and when one is successful they move them up, so if the do “recruit” they can expect to play, in theory tougher competition.

 

[USArmyMike]

I think regular season wins should be factored in as well. 38 wins over 6 years is 2 point (program averaged more than 6 wins per year) and 4 points for 50 wins (averaged more than 8 wins per year)

Cheating needs to be included as well. Any private school caught cheating will automatically receive 4 points and all forfeited games will count as wins.

Private schools should also possibly be bumped up 3 classes as well, not 2.
6 point for 1 class, 12 for 2 classes and 18 for 3 classes.

Finally I’d like to see the success multiplier for public schools too but only 12 points for 1 class. It was would have to include a state title in the previous 2 years

This makes 0 sense. Privates should be bumped up 3 classes? Grow up.

What is so immature about that? This would literally take multiple state titles and multiple titles while be up 2 classes. Private schools obviously have an advantage with no boundaries. Take your own advice. It’s makes zero sense because your not capable of understanding how hard it would be to reach 18 points over six years while plus up 2 classes.

 

[USArmyMike]

But public schools have district boundaries, privates do not. That is why they are treated differently.

But then you get "football magnet public schools" where kids' parents find apartments to change residency.... See Staley, Webb, Lee's Summit West, and probably Liberty North now. Among others.

Sorry but you failed to mention the apartments are typically unoccupied