Class 4

[ChaoticFanatic]

I know West Plains and Smithville should be pretty solid, this may end up being the best team that WP has had(ever)across the board as far as talent and depth go. And I’m including the 12-1 squad from a few years back that lost to Ladue in the quarters who then beat Webb.
who else are we looking at for Class 4?
does Helias bump to C5? Or probably stay?
does Bolivar beat WP for the 3rd year in a row?
two years ago was in districts to an injury stricken WP squad and last year was during the regular season

 

[Wheels 1]

Hannibal will be very good.

 

[STL Crusader]

That 2018 West Plains team was very good, but never got challenged in the regular season and ran into Ladue who was the worst possible matchup for them. It'll be hard to have a better running back than Brayden Lidgard, better tight ends, better linemen, and especially that defense.

I will say Connor Lair is hell of an athlete.

 

[STL Crusader]

I believe Helias and MICDS will be headed to Class 5 due to the success factor.

 

[Cards1968]

Don't think Helias will. Country Day will, for a couple of years at least.

 

[Jomjam]

Helias will be Class 5 per one of their coaches I ran into at another sporting event. MICDS will need to win districts and a quarter final game to get bumped to 5 is my understanding. Smithville and Hannibal will be very good. MICDS has a ton of skill play, but their line will be young, they lost a lot of talent up front.

 

[Jomjam]

Helias will be Class 5 per one of their coaches I ran into at another sporting event. MICDS will need to win districts and a quarter final game to get bumped to 5 is my understanding. Smithville and Hannibal will be very good. MICDS has a ton of skill play, but their line will be young, they lost alot of talent up front.

 

[Cards1968]

Helias won state last year. That's 4 points.
In the previous 5 years before that, they failed to get out of districts. That's 0 points.

To be moved up 1 class, you have to have at least 6 points.

Unless their enrollment moves them up (doubtful) they will remain Class 4.

 

[Cards1968]

Country Day came in 2nd in Class 4 last year - 3 points.

2018/19 season they came in 2nd in Class 4 - 3 points.

All other years didn't get out of districts.

6 points = up one class, and for at least 3 years.

 

[Cards1968]

Helias will be Class 5 per one of their coaches I ran into at another sporting event. MICDS will need to win districts and a quarter final game to get bumped to 5 is my understanding. Smithville and Hannibal will be very good. MICDS has a ton of skill play, but their line will be young, they lost alot of talent up front.

I think you have the two teams reversed. Helias needs a quarterfinal win in the next 4 years to be bumped up. Country Day is already there with two finals losses.

 

[shovel_option]

3 points moves you up. Page 123 of the MSHSAA manual under Board Policies #11
8 points is a two class bump.

 

[Cards1968]

3 points moves you up. Page 123 of the MSHSAA manual under Board Policies #11
8 points is a two class bump.

They changed it? Was 6 and 12, which seems more reasonable.

 

[Jomjam]

Here is what I found. based on this, Helias 5, MICDS 4. So if MICDS wins Districts this year, they will be a Class 5 in 2022

Here is how the point system works:

1. Post-season points
a. District Champion: 1 point
b. State 3rd/4th Place: 2 points
c. State 2nd Place: 3 points
d. State Champion: 4 points
IMPORTANT: Points are not cumulative within each season. Each program will only receive the points for the highest finish. If a team wins a state title it is four points only. You do not add district points on top of the championship.

Here are the plateaus for moving up classifications:

2. Point Totals for Re-Classification:
a. 0 – 2 points: remain classified based on raw enrollment
b. 3 – 7 points: re-classified one class above where classified on raw enrollment
c. 8+ points: re-classified two classes above where classified on raw enrollment

 

[thetophat2021]

I know West Plains and Smithville should be pretty solid, this may end up being the best team that WP has had(ever)across the board as far as talent and depth go. And I’m including the 12-1 squad from a few years back that lost to Ladue in the quarters who then beat Webb.
who else are we looking at for Class 4?
does Helias bump to C5? Or probably stay?
does Bolivar beat WP for the 3rd year in a row?
two years ago was in districts to an injury stricken WP squad and last year was during the regular season

I had the fortune to watch the webcast of Bolivar-WP. The Liberators simply got on a second half steam roll and the Zizzers could not stop it. That being said I think Plains vs. Smithville would make a great title game! The area always a mystery to me is STL............

 

[thetophat2021]

Here is what I found. based on this, Helias 5, MICDS 4. So if MICDS wins Districts this year, they will be a Class 5 in 2022

Here is how the point system works:

1. Post-season points
a. District Champion: 1 point
b. State 3rd/4th Place: 2 points
c. State 2nd Place: 3 points
d. State Champion: 4 points
IMPORTANT: Points are not cumulative within each season. Each program will only receive the points for the highest finish. If a team wins a state title it is four points only. You do not add district points on top of the championship.

Here are the plateaus for moving up classifications:

2. Point Totals for Re-Classification:
a. 0 – 2 points: remain classified based on raw enrollment
b. 3 – 7 points: re-classified one class above where classified on raw enrollment
c. 8+ points: re-classified two classes above where classified on raw enrollment

Would be very curious to know what Fred has coming back...........

 

[Cards1968]

Here is what I found. based on this, Helias 5, MICDS 4. So if MICDS wins Districts this year, they will be a Class 5 in 2022

Here is how the point system works:

1. Post-season points
a. District Champion: 1 point
b. State 3rd/4th Place: 2 points
c. State 2nd Place: 3 points
d. State Champion: 4 points
IMPORTANT: Points are not cumulative within each season. Each program will only receive the points for the highest finish. If a team wins a state title it is four points only. You do not add district points on top of the championship.

Here are the plateaus for moving up classifications:

2. Point Totals for Re-Classification:
a. 0 – 2 points: remain classified based on raw enrollment
b. 3 – 7 points: re-classified one class above where classified on raw enrollment
c. 8+ points: re-classified two classes above where classified on raw enrollment

Ok, so both schools will move up. Don't see how Helias can move up but not Country Day with a higher point total.

 

[Jomjam]

Would be very curious to know what Fred has coming back...........

Starting QB and RB who were both Allstate, a very good group of WR. Loses a big group of lineman and his D1 DE/TE as well as a losing a receiver that played D1 lacrosse, Also the loss of linebacker who walked on at Ohio State and one that is now playing at Wash U I believe, they were both Allstate as wellThat group will be hard to replace, they still will be very good on offense, and playing a difficult schedule with SLUH, LUtheran North and Chaminade on for this year.

 

[Jomjam]

Ok, so both schools will move up. Don't see how Helias can move up but not Country Day with a higher point total.

MICDS is class 3 with enrollment, so they move to 4 and Helias is class 4 with enrollment and move to 5

 

[thetophat2021]

Starting QB and RB who were both Allstate, a very good group of WR. Loses a big group of lineman and his D1 DE/TE as well as a losing a receiver that played D1 lacrosse, Also the loss of linebacker who walked on at Ohio State and one that is now playing at Wash U I believe, they were both Allstate as wellThat group will be hard to replace, they still will be very good on offense, and playing a difficult schedule with SLUH, LUtheran North and Chaminade on for this year.

Thank you!

 

[Mowestdad]

Here is what I found. based on this, Helias 5, MICDS 4. So if MICDS wins Districts this year, they will be a Class 5 in 2022

Here is how the point system works:

1. Post-season points
a. District Champion: 1 point
b. State 3rd/4th Place: 2 points
c. State 2nd Place: 3 points
d. State Champion: 4 points
IMPORTANT: Points are not cumulative within each season. Each program will only receive the points for the highest finish. If a team wins a state title it is four points only. You do not add district points on top of the championship.

Here are the plateaus for moving up classifications:

2. Point Totals for Re-Classification:
a. 0 – 2 points: remain classified based on raw enrollment
b. 3 – 7 points: re-classified one class above where classified on raw enrollment
c. 8+ points: re-classified two classes above where classified on raw enrollment

Does that mean that every team that either won state or finished second last year will move up, except class 6?

 

[503_Maple]

Does that mean that every team that either won state or finished second last year will move up, except class 6?

Private only these schoole mentioned are all private.

 

[O line wins games]

Does that mean that every team that either won state or finished second last year will move up, except class 6?

Only if they are private schools.

 

[Jomjam]

Does that mean that every team that either won state or finished second last year will move up, except class 6?

Only if private schools

 

[STL Crusader]

I had the fortune to watch the webcast of Bolivar-WP. The Liberators simply got on a second half steam roll and the Zizzers could not stop it. That being said I think Plains vs. Smithville would make a great title game! The area always a mystery to me is STL............

Festus, Hillsboro, John Burroughs, MICDS, and Union IMO are the top five Class 4 teams in the STL area. However, MICDS might be going to Class 5... Union should be the best STL team to challenge for a state championship in Class 4. They were a young team who surprised everybody by getting to the semifinals and even gave MICDS a run for their money in the first half. They have good hurry-up spread offense that caused MICDS' defense quite a few problems. They'll probably get Hillsboro or Festus from District 1 and then who knows. I think they can get back to the semifinals, but beating Hannibal, Smithville, or West Plains is another matter.

 

[STL Crusader]

Starting QB and RB who were both Allstate, a very good group of WR. Loses a big group of lineman and his D1 DE/TE as well as a losing a receiver that played D1 lacrosse, Also the loss of linebacker who walked on at Ohio State and one that is now playing at Wash U I believe, they were both Allstate as wellThat group will be hard to replace, they still will be very good on offense, and playing a difficult schedule with SLUH, LUtheran North and Chaminade on for this year.

MICDS' offensive and defensive line will probably struggle early, but you're right about the athleticism they have coming back. Steve Hall and Winston Moore would be a great running back tandem in the split-back veer they now run with Bouchard as head coach. When they're in the spread they got PJ Behan (4.47 40-yard dash and Brown commit for Lacrosse), Dorian Reddic, Jack Hayes, and Moore will slot in there too. I think their defense could struggle though. They did last year in three 1/2 games against St. Dominic, Hannibal, Union (first half), and Helias.

I still think they got a shot in Week 1 against SLUH since the Jr Bills will most likely air it out with their massive talent at wide receiver and maybe lack there of a run game. Also, they graduated all of their starting defensive linemen. We shall see!

 

[Jomjam]

Festus, Hillsboro, John Burroughs, MICDS, and Union IMO are the top five Class 4 teams in the STL area. However, MICDS might be going to Class 5... Union should be the best STL team to challenge for a state championship in Class 4. They were a young team who surprised everybody by getting to the semifinals and even gave MICDS a run for their money in the first half. They have good hurry-up spread offense that caused MICDS' defense quite a few problems. They'll probably get Hillsboro or Festus from District 1 and then who knows. I think they can get back to the semifinals, but beating Hannibal, Smithville, or West Plains is another matter.

No way MICDS goes 5, they don't have enough points. They have 6 points in last 6 years.

 

[Jomjam]

MICDS' offensive and defensive line will probably struggle early, but you're right about the athleticism they have coming back. Steve Hall and Winston Moore would be a great running back tandem in the split-back veer they now run with Bouchard as head coach. When they're in the spread they got PJ Behan (4.47 40-yard dash and Brown commit for Lacrosse), Dorian Reddic, Jack Hayes, and Moore will slot in there too. I think their defense could struggle though. They did last year in three 1/2 games against St. Dominic, Hannibal, Union (first half), and Helias.

I still think they got a shot in Week 1 against SLUH since the Jr Bills will most likely air it out with their massive talent at wide receiver and maybe lack there of a run game. Also, they graduated all of their starting defensive linemen. We shall see!

Winston and Steve both have elite speed and have been looked at a ton this summer by D1 schools. If their QB was 3 inches taller he would have D1 offers from all over. He is, from my understanding, getting a lot of Ivy looks. Andrews is the best throwing QB i have seen in a very very long time.

 

[ChaoticFanatic]

Stats were acquired from Maxpreps, pretty sure they're incomplete. not showing the stats updated after week 9 for passing, receiving, defense

Key returnees for West Plains are:

Daegan Kenslow QB/FS Senior
6'2 190 lbs / 4.6 40 yd dash
Last year: passing 46/92 for 865 yds w/ 7 TDs(9 games)
120 carries for 791 yards & 14 TDs
Defense: 57 Tackles, 2 INTs, 10 Pass Deflections
Special: 13 punts for an average of 39.4 yards per punt
1st Team All-State ATH


Connor Lair RB/LB Senior
6'1 225 lbs / 4.6 40 yd dash
Last year: 45 carries for 616 yds & 6 TDs (13.7 yards per carry)
7 receptions for 121 yds & 1 TD(almost positive that he had more, incomplete stats)
105 tackles, 9 TFL, 3.5 sacks, 17 Hurries, 2 Blocked Punts w/ a touchdown on a recovery(through 9 games)
somewhere around 5-6 INTs on the season w/ at least 1, maybe 2 returned for TDs. Don't have the confirmed numbers officially
1st Team All-State LB, Ozark Conference DPOY
Offers from Army, Air Force, Southern Illinois, SEMO, Lindenwood, Pitt State, NW Missouri State, Black Hills State, and others
Will be his 4th year starting on defense and 3rd year as an offensive starter

Heston Miller WR/CB Junior
6'2 195 lbs / 4.4 40 yd dash (11.1 in the 100m)
stats incomplete for last year. was very impressed with him both offensively and defensively. SO FAST.

Jaylon James OT/NG Senior
6'7 285 lbs
Game changer on the offensive line. Has such a huge impact and a real motor for a big guy
1st Team All-State OL
Offers from Iowa State, Ball State, South Dakota, Pitt State, NW Missouri State, and others

Magnus Sanders OL/DL
6'0 320 lbs

Jason Lopez DB


Three 1st Team All-State returnees with a lot of experience across the board coming back and a lot of size returning for the OL/DL. Going to be an interesting year.

 

[TheRealJoey]

I know West Plains and Smithville should be pretty solid, this may end up being the best team that WP has had(ever)across the board as far as talent and depth go. And I’m including the 12-1 squad from a few years back that lost to Ladue in the quarters who then beat Webb.
who else are we looking at for Class 4?
does Helias bump to C5? Or probably stay?
does Bolivar beat WP for the 3rd year in a row?
two years ago was in districts to an injury stricken WP squad and last year was during the regular season

I guess Team camps are no indication of anything.

 

[thetophat2021]

I know West Plains and Smithville should be pretty solid, this may end up being the best team that WP has had(ever)across the board as far as talent and depth go. And I’m including the 12-1 squad from a few years back that lost to Ladue in the quarters who then beat Webb.
who else are we looking at for Class 4?
does Helias bump to C5? Or probably stay?
does Bolivar beat WP for the 3rd year in a row?
two years ago was in districts to an injury stricken WP squad and last year was during the regular season

Everyone should read the 810varsity.com Smithville Warriors preview. Yep I know you don't win titles on paper BUT their returning cast is almost unfair in this region. They also have a very nice Harrisonville preview.

 

[hsmaniac]

Did you get banned top??

 

[TheRealJoey]

Stats were acquired from Maxpreps, pretty sure they're incomplete. not showing the stats updated after week 9 for passing, receiving, defense

Key returnees for West Plains are:

Daegan Kenslow QB/FS Senior
6'2 190 lbs / 4.6 40 yd dash
Last year: passing 46/92 for 865 yds w/ 7 TDs(9 games)
120 carries for 791 yards & 14 TDs
Defense: 57 Tackles, 2 INTs, 10 Pass Deflections
Special: 13 punts for an average of 39.4 yards per punt
1st Team All-State ATH


Connor Lair RB/LB Senior
6'1 225 lbs / 4.6 40 yd dash
Last year: 45 carries for 616 yds & 6 TDs (13.7 yards per carry)
7 receptions for 121 yds & 1 TD(almost positive that he had more, incomplete stats)
105 tackles, 9 TFL, 3.5 sacks, 17 Hurries, 2 Blocked Punts w/ a touchdown on a recovery(through 9 games)
somewhere around 5-6 INTs on the season w/ at least 1, maybe 2 returned for TDs. Don't have the confirmed numbers officially
1st Team All-State LB, Ozark Conference DPOY
Offers from Army, Air Force, Southern Illinois, SEMO, Lindenwood, Pitt State, NW Missouri State, Black Hills State, and others
Will be his 4th year starting on defense and 3rd year as an offensive starter

Heston Miller WR/CB Junior
6'2 195 lbs / 4.4 40 yd dash (11.1 in the 100m)
stats incomplete for last year. was very impressed with him both offensively and defensively. SO FAST.

Jaylon James OT/NG Senior
6'7 285 lbs
Game changer on the offensive line. Has such a huge impact and a real motor for a big guy
1st Team All-State OL
Offers from Iowa State, Ball State, South Dakota, Pitt State, NW Missouri State, and others

Magnus Sanders OL/DL
6'0 320 lbs

Jason Lopez DB


Three 1st Team All-State returnees with a lot of experience across the board coming back and a lot of size returning for the OL/DL. Going to be an interesting year.

Hmmm...not that impressive at team camp though.

 

[ChaoticFanatic]

Hmmm...not that impressive at team camp though.

I guess it’s a good thing the post season is played after the regular season and the preseason is played before.

 

[TheRealJoey]

I guess it’s a good thing the post season is played after the regular season and the preseason is played before.

I guess I'm wondering what they know about the post season as well? hahehehe

 

[ChaoticFanatic]

Point being is gauging a teams success 3-4 months from now based off of whether or not they impressed at camp is pointless.

 

[thetophat2021]

Did you get banned top??

No I requested Rivals delete the old account last year. They waited, for whatever reason, to delete it after FB season.

 

[thetophat2021]

No I requested Rivals delete the old account last year. They waited, for whatever reason, to delete it after FB season.

Call it my "great reset" LOL.

 

[TheRealJoey]

Point being is gauging a teams success 3-4 months from now based off of whether or not they impressed at camp is pointless.

Point being don't talk post season in the pre-season. I guess the school has won a girl's X Country titles recently though?

 

[ChaoticFanatic]

More than half the people on this board over the years talk about possible post season scenarios over the years Joey, yourself included. But I guess Kearney not making it past the first round of districts last year really has you feeling some kind of way.

 

[TheRealJoey]

More than half the people on this board over the years talk about possible post season scenarios over the years Joey, yourself included. But I guess Kearney not making it past the first round of districts last year really has you feeling some kind of way.

'I guess it’s a good thing the post season is played after the regular season and the preseason is played before."

So you are saying the the team camps don't mean anything? The post-season does? About a school that has done what in the post-season? And correction: Kearney was in the District Championship game vs. Smithville last season. So not the first round bro...that is the 3rd round. Right? Lol Just call me the MoRivals fact checker. Somebody has to do it.