Calpreps State Champion Predictions All Classes

[O line wins games]

There is a reason why their head coach left the program after last year buddy! No knock on Marceline at all, but they are not nearly as good as they were last season. Time will tell. Good luck to both great programs.

Wrong... They returned 9 starters, including the entire offensive line. The head coach retired because his son applied for the head basketball job and didn't get it, so Dad basically said If he's not good enough, neither am I. He was already retired from teaching (I believe) and has a farm. they are better than last year, and so is Penney.

 

[Mister_Wizard]

Just put an equal number of teams in each of the six classes every year.

Benefits: balance, fairness, equality - similar paths and number of games to get to the final; teams near a "cut line" may be the smallest in their class one year but maybe they become the largest next year when they drop down; a number of district top seeded teams will get a first round bye due to districts not having 8 teams (lowest district seed gets to play #2 instead of #1 seed, better first round games); similar number of playoff rounds for each class.

 

[O line wins games]

They aren't necessarily saying they get beat early because they play an easy schedule, they are saying they have that shiny record because they play such as easy schedule.. and that is true... Doesn't mean they won't win.

Bishop Leblond is right at .500 every year because they play in a class 3/4 conference, but still better than a lot of other class 2 teams with 6,7, or 8 wins.

 

[hangmanbobbyjaggers]

Wrong... They returned 9 starters, including the entire offensive line. The head coach retired because his son applied for the head basketball job and didn't get it, so Dad basically said If he's not good enough, neither am I. He was already retired from teaching (I believe) and has a farm. they are better than last year, and so is Penney.

He has also ran around to where the talent is and left as soon as it is gone. Matter of fact ran the girls basketball coach out there at Marceline to get that job as well!

 

[r14veer]

No, it's 49%...but I don't think that is a relevant point anyway, among the larger classes, it has the largest disperity. Class 1 is skewed when 8 man school's play up.

Class 1 - 109 to 244

No, it's 49%...but I don't think that is a relevant point anyway, among the larger classes, it has the largest disperity. Class 1 is skewed when 8 man school's play up.

Ummmm...there is no other class but class 1 where the largest is more than twice the size of the smallest: 109 to 244. Class 4 comes closest though.

 

[PlayerTwo]

Not sure who your post was meant for, but I wanted to mention I don't mean to take away from Tipton or Lincoln. Like you said, you often lose to the better teams. For Tipton, that didn't happen well into the playoffs because of their weaker schedule. It was a common theme for undefeated regular seasons, but they were never able to make it to the finals. I think Lincoln will be in the same boat....but we will see in the coming weeks. Its just hard to get a read on them....

 

[Majost]

Class 1 - 109 to 244


Ummmm...there is no other class but class 1 where the largest is more than twice the size of the smallest: 109 to 244. Class 4 comes closest though.

I guess you can go by percentage but I like to go by number of kids. Lets say half the kids are boys. That means you are trying to make a good team with 55 boys vs 122 boys. Class one has I believe the lowest difference in that category. Just with my research, it is pretty obvious the 732-1314 is the biggest disparity in the level of play from top half and the lower half of the class. And I am actually throwing out any private schools in the research.

 

[deacon jones]

I guess you can go by percentage but I like to go by number of kids. Lets say half the kids are boys. That means you are trying to make a good team with 55 boys vs 122 boys. Class one has I believe the lowest difference in that category. Just with my research, it is pretty obvious the 732-1314 is the biggest disparity in the level of play from top half and the lower half of the class. And I am actually throwing out any private schools in the research.

I thoroughly and completely do not understand what you are trying to say.

 

[Majost]

I thoroughly and completely do not understand what you are trying to say.

No team in Class four from the lower enrollment portion of the class in the last 8 years has ever made, no less won, the title game and most of the time not even to the semis. All the other class's have had representatives a few times in the title game from the lower portion of the class.

 

[MoSooner69]

Sounds like you have a team in Class 4. Could be wrong but you guys seem to be hard on this whether right or wrong. The enrollment number claim was proven to be false (as far as % goes) Could the reason that no team has made the finals with the low Class 4 enrollment is simply how the bracket has worked out?.. I mean Webb has owned Class 4 for a while and they happen to be one of the largest, so them making the finals (practically) every year has taken half of the state out of your equation automatically. You know it wasnt that long ago that some folks were on here saying the exact same thing about the smallest schools vs the largest schools in Class 3.

 

[deacon jones]

Sounds like you have a team in Class 4. Could be wrong but you guys seem to be hard on this whether right or wrong. The enrollment number claim was proven to be false (as far as % goes) Could the reason that no team has made the finals with the low Class 4 enrollment is simply how the bracket has worked out?.. I mean Webb has owned Class 4 for a while and they happen to be one of the largest, so them making the finals (practically) every year has taken half of the state out of your equation automatically. You know it wasnt that long ago that some folks were on here saying the exact same thing about the smallest schools vs the largest schools in Class 3.

I have yet to read any information that convinces me that anything has been proven true one way or the other. I think several people have used various numbers with various cut-offs and various cut off points to support their already-made conclusions

 

[r14veer]

I guess you can go by percentage but I like to go by number of kids. Lets say half the kids are boys. That means you are trying to make a good team with 55 boys vs 122 boys. Class one has I believe the lowest difference in that category. Just with my research, it is pretty obvious the 732-1314 is the biggest disparity in the level of play from top half and the lower half of the class. And I am actually throwing out any private schools in the research.

You also have to think about diminishing returns, considering that only 11 players from your team are allowed on the field at a time. To your point, however, depth is the real issue when you look at the bottom and top of classes 2-6. In class 1, it's just trying to find quality starters, period.

 

[Majost]

Sounds like you have a team in Class 4. Could be wrong but you guys seem to be hard on this whether right or wrong. The enrollment number claim was proven to be false (as far as % goes) Could the reason that no team has made the finals with the low Class 4 enrollment is simply how the bracket has worked out?.. I mean Webb has owned Class 4 for a while and they happen to be one of the largest, so them making the finals (practically) every year has taken half of the state out of your equation automatically. You know it wasnt that long ago that some folks were on here saying the exact same thing about the smallest schools vs the largest schools in Class 3.

I did have one a long time ago.

 

[Majost]

You also have to think about diminishing returns, considering that only 11 players from your team are allowed on the field at a time. To your point, however, depth is the real issue when you look at the bottom and top of classes 2-6. In class 1, it's just trying to find quality starters, period.

That is the whole observation. There is a number where it starts to become pretty routine, (for most teams) that you can find quality starters on both sides of the ball, without having the majority of starters playing both ways because that's what you have to do. And I believe that difference lays somewhere in the Class 4 area. I believe most of the upper class 4 teams compete very well with the Class 5 teams and some class 6 teams because of this and that is kind of proven with the conference they play in also. I would be fine with Class 1 being the catch all. I just find no reason why Class 5 and 6 aren't bigger.

 

[Anders4]

When you get to class 4 - 6 the law of diminishing returns sets in. They can all compete with each other fairly well.

The talent level between class 1 and 2, and 2 and 3 is greater than the difference between the bigger classes. Even within the classes can be a big jump. As others stated above... In some cases the bigger schools in their classification can be twice as big as the small schools.

In class 4-6, not every boy in the school is going to play football. Some will play soccer, cross country, and swim. Don't tell me good athletes don't compete in those sports because Derrion Thomas would've been a hell of a football player if he didn't focus on swimming. Thus law of diminishing return sets in.

When you have 425 kids in the school and play schools with 250 and the only boys fall sport is football. You have a clear advantage over other schools in your class.

Unless you are Lamar or Maryville. They can compete with about anybody.

 

[Majost]

Please name a class 4 team from 700-900 who you think competes well with a class 5 and 6 team. I bet you could name more class 3 teams that beat up on class 4 teams.

 

[deacon jones]

When you get to class 4 - 6 the law of diminishing returns sets in. They can all compete with each other fairly well.

What is the law of diminishing return?
They can compete with each other fairly well? So every game should be pretty close? I don't get it.

 

[Rock Hard Corn Frog]

What is the law of diminishing return?
They can compete with each other fairly well? So every game should be pretty close? I don't get it.

The idea is once a school gets to a certain size it doesn't matter near as much how much bigger it is because only 11 can be on the field at one time. A high school with 10,000 students and a high school with 4000 students are both not going to have any problems finding enough good athletes to field a football team. A school with 1000 students vs a school with 400 is going to have a bigger advantage.

The lines have to be drawn somewhere though. The state can go to 8-9 classes of 32 teams each and schools will compete against schools virtually the same size but is that what everyone wants?

 

[W.C.stinks]

Disparity between the average enrollment of the top 3 vs. the bottom three in each Class.
CLASS 4 has the biggest disparity.
Class 6 51%
Class 5 34%
Class 4 72% (1,304 v. 755)
Class 3 59%
Class 2 39%
Class 1 49%

Not sure what math formula is being used, but 755 v. 1304 is around a 58% disparity. unless the % are referring to something different.

 

[anon_utvqikut1knht]

Not sure what math formula is being used, but 755 v. 1304 is around a 58% disparity. unless the % are referring to something different.

I wholeheartedly agree with your screen name...........Webster City IA does stink!

 

[deacon jones]

I wholeheartedly agree with your screen name...........Webster City IA does stink!

One of my HS coaches would pummel you for saying that!

 

[anon_utvqikut1knht]

One of my HS coaches would pummel you for saying that!

It is all in jest...............I think we all know which W.C.this new poster is talking about.

 

[JNreturns]

Not sure what math formula is being used, but 755 v. 1304 is around a 58% disparity. unless the % are referring to something different.

I was off by a %
1304-755=549. 755/100 = 549/x. X = 73%. The largest schools have 73% more students.

 

[Tigermike_]

Not sure who your post was meant for, but I wanted to mention I don't mean to take away from Tipton or Lincoln. Like you said, you often lose to the better teams. For Tipton, that didn't happen well into the playoffs because of their weaker schedule. It was a common theme for undefeated regular seasons, but they were never able to make it to the finals. I think Lincoln will be in the same boat....but we will see in the coming weeks. Its just hard to get a read on them....

I've watched every one of Lincoln's games this year and I would agree. Lincoln has a lot of good athletes, but it's hard to say how they stack up against some better competition. Cass Midway was in our Jamboree and imho I think we are better than Midway for what it's worth.

 

[r14veer]

That is the whole observation. There is a number where it starts to become pretty routine, (for most teams) that you can find quality starters on both sides of the ball, without having the majority of starters playing both ways because that's what you have to do. And I believe that difference lays somewhere in the Class 4 area. I believe most of the upper class 4 teams compete very well with the Class 5 teams and some class 6 teams because of this and that is kind of proven with the conference they play in also. I would be fine with Class 1 being the catch all. I just find no reason why Class 5 and 6 aren't bigger.

I was off by a %
1304-755=549. 755/100 = 549/x. X = 73%. The largest schools have 73% more students.

124% in class one

 

[Anders4]

The idea is once a school gets to a certain size it doesn't matter near as much how much bigger it is because only 11 can be on the field at one time. A high school with 10,000 students and a high school with 4000 students are both not going to have any problems finding enough good athletes to field a football team. A school with 1000 students vs a school with 400 is going to have a bigger advantage.

The lines have to be drawn somewhere though. The state can go to 8-9 classes of 32 teams each and schools will compete against schools virtually the same size but is that what everyone wants?

I'm glad there are other intelligent people on here.

It's amazing that some people don't know how to use google if they don't know what a word means.

 

[Majost]

You can not go by percentages on this. But like I said i would be ok with class one being the catch all. But tell me this.

Which one would you think would have the biggest difference in fielding a 22 player football team.

Class one where there is probably about a 70 boy difference based on assuming half the kids in the school are boys.

Or Class four

The idea is once a school gets to a certain size it doesn't matter near as much how much bigger it is because only 11 can be on the field at one time. A high school with 10,000 students and a high school with 4000 students are both not going to have any problems finding enough good athletes to field a football team. A school with 1000 students vs a school with 400 is going to have a bigger advantage.

The lines have to be drawn somewhere though. The state can go to 8-9 classes of 32 teams each and schools will compete against schools virtually the same size but is that what everyone wants?

Exactly what I am saying. There is a number there somewhere. I honestly don't think that was thought about when making the decision. They pretty much did according what was easiest bracket wise.

 

[Anders4]

Please name a class 4 team from 700-900 who you think competes well with a class 5 and 6 team. I bet you could name more class 3 teams that beat up on class 4 teams.

MICDS, Helias and pretty much every team in the MRVC West, and MEC off the top of my head.

 

[JNreturns]

124% in class one

Again...if one just takes the schools by size 64,,64,64,64, class 5, 32)..it is arourd 49% in the Class 1 slot. Schools in the 8-man and class one range choose to play up. This skewes the #. Example...Orrick chose to play up. This is completely irrelevant to the point I was making about class four. Among the larger schools...Class 4 has by far the largest disparity.

 

[Majost]

MICDS, Helias and pretty much every team in the MRVC West, and MEC off the top of my head.

I think I mentioned that I didn't take in account any private schools when I ran the check. But Helias didn't go to the lower 900's until this last enrollment. Even 4 years ago they were near 1100. And Ill stand by my statement though there has never been a public school in the lower 900's to the low 700 where the it usually starts that has ever made a state championship game or semi for the most part. St. Charles west did a few years ago. To the Semis that is.

 

[JNreturns]

For clarification, excluding the tiny 8 man and Class 1 teams, the largest, by Fing far, disparity in school size is in Class 4.

It makes a hell of a lot more difference in schools from 750 to 1250, than it does in the realm of 100 students v 200.

 

[Mike*Honcho]

MICDS, Helias and pretty much every team in the MRVC West, and MEC off the top of my head.

Hilarious. There isn't a team in the MRVC West that would win more than 1-2 games in the KC suburban conferences. Most games would have a running clock.

Go take a look at the Platte County vs Harrisonville score again. And PC took third in their conference.

MEC? Really? Maryville could probably win 3 (or 4) but the rest would need to get lucky to win 2.

 

[PlayerTwo]

I think I mentioned that I didn't take in account any private schools when I ran the check. But Helias didn't go to the lower 900's until this last enrollment. Even 4 years ago they were near 1100. And Ill stand by my statement though there has never been a public school in the lower 900's to the low 700 where the it usually starts that has ever made a state championship game or semi for the most part. St. Charles west did a few years ago. To the Semis that is.

You can blame Webb City, Kearney, and Helias for a lot of those smaller schools not making it deep into the playoffs. Harrisonville has done pretty well for themselves since they've moved up into Class 4. No finals appearances, but have done well...

Jumping from Class 3 to 4 is a much greater leap than 4 to 5....

 

[r14veer]

For clarification, excluding the tiny 8 man and Class 1 teams, the largest, by Fing far, disparity in school size is in Class 4.

It makes a hell of a lot more difference in schools from 750 to 1250, than it does in the realm of 100 students v 200.

Again...if one just takes the schools by size 64,,64,64,64, class 5, 32)..it is arourd 49% in the Class 1 slot. Schools in the 8-man and class one range choose to play up. This skewes the #. Example...Orrick chose to play up. This is completely irrelevant to the point I was making about class four. Among the larger schools...Class 4 has by far the largest disparity.

I agree with you on the fact that among the larger schools class 4 has the largest disparity; I'm just really unsure where you are getting your 49% from with regard to class 1. Using your own math; it will definitely not show that the largest school in class 1 is only 49% bigger than the smallest, but 124% bigger.
Also, speaking from a position of experience, rather than speculation, from both ends of the spectrum, the difference between the team that can be fielded with 100 vs 200 enrollment (100% more students incidentally) is far and away more of a disparity than the difference between the team that can be fielded with 750 vs 1250 enrollment, going back to the law of diminishing returns. Feel free to disagree; I'm all for it, but when you do, feel free to also cite your experience (in vague terms if you prefer).