Bolivar got what they deserved. I hope the only conference that can take them is the sca.
Bolivar/Conference
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Man... there wasn’t this much complaining about WP in the OC when they were middle of the pack or at the bottom, but now that they’ve been at the top the last 4-5 years.....
No, That was an honest question. I do not even follow any OC schools now that Joplin in in the COC. How did that even come about? Who thought it was a good idea? Geographically it makes no sense for the rest of the conference.
Well, there aren’t any schools West Plains size in their immediate area so in a lot of sports, they were already playing a lot of these schools on a yearly basis anyways, not including district play so the only difference now is that they have to so idk what else to say about that.
So, what works well for West Plains is more important than what works for everyone else in the conference? Bolivar would be a much better fit geographically speaking in the OC than west plains. Simply replace one class4 school for another class4 school.
I said that in a lot of sports they were already playing the OC schools on a yearly basis? How would that be putting WP needs above others? Believe me, if the majority of the conference wanted WP out, they would be out.
Bolivar would be a much better fit geographically, they would also have to compete against schools that had 200-800more students than them. So I guess that doesn’t matter as long as it makes sense geographically right?
Is a Nevada, Bolivar, Marshfield, Monett, McDonald County conference concept too spread out? Maybe a Reed Springs or other Big 8 schools nearing larger class 3 or even class 4 status be included also?
The Big 8 is pretty spread out by distance and by size, not a fan of the new Big 8 or 14...lol Seneca is dropping and is close to being Class 2 with Lamar. Mac Cty has nearly 3 times the enrollment of at least 4 of the schools, Bolivar would be up there close behind Mac Cty. I thought the old Big 8 was pretty competitive in all sports.
Its the WP athletes who have the tough gig! For each varsity sport they have to make that long distance trip to half of the conference schools every year. Whereas, their conference opponents make ONE trip EVERY OTHER year to WP.
Yeah Seneca & MV could be class 2 in the future dropping enrollments at both places. Aurora & Cassville are solid class 3 schools. Rogersville & Reeds are growing could be on the bubble for moving up in the future? Nevada really has not gown and they are down over 200 kids from their high enrollment back in the 90's so not sure what is going on with them. Marshfeild, Mac County are going to be solid class 4 schools. Monett while not a solid class 4 yet, I don't see us losing kids so we are probable class 4 to stay. Lamar and EN probable going to be class 2 for the long haul. I don't know a thing about Hollisters growth? However I think the big 8 has a nice mix of schools right now and I don't see anybody complaining.
I am interested to see if CJ will continue to compete in the COC, their youth football programs numbers have been going down and they cannot even field two teams the last two years, so can they sustain what they had? They are lucky this year as it looks Ozark and Nixa may be really bad so they could sneak into the middle of the pack in football, but I think it will be a struggle for them to finish above .500 this year. In class 4 it is all about depth...we have seen this year they lost one player and it has really hurt them.
Your expert opinion will definitely facilitate a meeting just specifically for this “topic”
The Big 8 has had some great programs over the years for sure. Other than Lamar dominating it, there has been a lot of parity over the years among the other schools.
CJ had a starter and a non-starter quit after the WC game i heard. Someone on here argued that they didn't, but i asked a parent again today and they said yes they both quit. I kind of felt Buck threw the kids under the bus on that one with him comments in the paper. Besides, Weston getting hurt, CJ lost a lot on their line to graduation, you could count losing Wall as losing two players on the D line...lol!
The thing about CJ is it is now obvious they never had a 2nd string RB. There is literally no one on the roster now that can play varsity RB except if you move Kennedy there.
I think saying other than Lamar dominating it is a real stretch. They have won the last three out right titles. But several other teams have done that. I think Seneca's run of 7 titles between 85 & 95 was an Amazing feat, and they shared the title twice before that. Cassville won it four times in a row so Lamar could equal that this year but they have a long ways to go before you could say they have dominated the conference.
1982 CARL JCT / SENECA
1983 CARL JCT / SENECA / MONETT
1984 CARL JCT / MT VERNON
1985 SENECA
1986 SENECA
1987 SENECA
1988 AURORA
1989 CARL JCT
1990 MONETT
1991 SENECA
1992 AURORA / CASSVILLE
1993 SENECA
1994 SENECA
1995 SENECA
1996 MONETT
1997 MT VERNON
1998 MONETT
1999 AURORA
2000 Aurora
2001 East Newton
2002 Seneca
2003 Mt. Vernon/Lamar/CJ
2004 Monett/Seneca
2005 Cassville
2006 Mt Vernon
2007 Monett/Cassville/CJ
2008 Monett
2009 Cassville
2010 Cassville
2011 Cassville
2012 Cassville
2013 Carl Junction
2014 Carl Junction
2015 Lamar
2016 Lamar
2017 Lamar
I think Bolivar will stay independent unless a new conference would be formed. Here my idea conference for Bolivar. NCMC expands
to the East/ West Division
East
Hannibal
Kirksville
Moberly
Mexico
Fulton
?
West
Boliver
Sedalia Smith-Cotton
Clinton
Marshall
?
?
to the East/ West Division
East
Hannibal
Kirksville
Moberly
Mexico
Fulton
?
West
Boliver
Sedalia Smith-Cotton
Clinton
Marshall
?
?
It would take an whole lot for Reeds Spring to be in any kind of danger of moving up... Their enrollment was shrinking slightly until recently and still not growing much... You are right about Rogersville. They actually were class 4 and moved back down last cycle.
Word on the street is Hannibal and Smith-Cotton are joining up with the Columbia and Jefferson City schools.
West Plains was in the SCA. They were a class 4 or 5 school in a conference with 1a Thayer, 2a MVBT, Cabool, Willow Springs, 3a Mountain Grove, Ava, Houston, 4a Salem, so I guess they got tired of their size advantage, Bolivar to Thayer would be a nice cruze
Yeah I wondered when I typed that, but you are starting to see alot of construction in Reeds now. They have some really nice facilitates and I think we will see them start growing again.
Yeah, i wasn't going back and looking at the whole history really, just Lamar dominance in the here and now. I was just trying to say there is alot of parity in the rest of the conference. There are no easy wins in the Big 8.
Can't wait for this new conference to formed if it does. Hannibal gonna have some long travel each year. Hannibal average 303 miles every 2 years in the NCMC, Helias & Battle. New Conference would be averaging 420 Miles.
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Having West Plains move on would make more sense. Rolla Has 3 conference opponents that are within an hour drive. West plains is almost 2hrs from their closest conference school.
This is West Plains 17th year in the conference.
Started in the fall of 2002.
If it was that big of an issue, it would have already been addressed and they would be out of the conference.
I see no reason for them to be booted to make room for a Bolivar program that has ostracized themselves from being in any conference. Not to mention, West Plains enrollment is on par with most of the conference whereas Bolivars or Marshfields would not be with the exception of maybe Hillcrest.
Started in the fall of 2002.
If it was that big of an issue, it would have already been addressed and they would be out of the conference.
I see no reason for them to be booted to make room for a Bolivar program that has ostracized themselves from being in any conference. Not to mention, West Plains enrollment is on par with most of the conference whereas Bolivars or Marshfields would not be with the exception of maybe Hillcrest.
West Plains being in the Ozark Conference is perfectly okay if they’re okay with it, and obviously they are ... as has been mentioned many times, OC schools only have to travel there every other year, they are doing the build of the traveling.
Personally, I actually respect what West Plains has done, especially in the sports that have to travel to compete during the off-season.
If the schools that are closer to metro areas can’t compete with them, that is their problem, not WPs.
Ousting WP to make room for Bolivar would not be a smart move. Bolivar had their chance to get in the OC, they turned it down and Central took their place. Penalizing WP for Bolivars mistakes would be silly.
Personally, I actually respect what West Plains has done, especially in the sports that have to travel to compete during the off-season.
If the schools that are closer to metro areas can’t compete with them, that is their problem, not WPs.
Ousting WP to make room for Bolivar would not be a smart move. Bolivar had their chance to get in the OC, they turned it down and Central took their place. Penalizing WP for Bolivars mistakes would be silly.
Rolla is a good two hours from Springfield. WP is closer and feels like southwest Missouri. Rolla (halfway to St. Louis) isn't a good fit. Yes, for Waynesville, Camdenton, & Lebanon it's okay, but not for the Springfield schools or West Plains. Would be that big of a deal for them to join up with the new Columbia/Jefferson City conference?
Rolla is closer to West Plains than West Plains is to Springfield.
Not sure you are making a good argument here... West Plains is NOT closer and Rolla is an easier drive for sure.
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