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AD's of Lamar & Maryville. Get it done

It really isn't as easy as all us blowhards on here think to find good competition to play.

Few years ago Maryville had an open in schedule had trouble finding anybody to play them. Ended up playing Mcleur out of st louis. Maryville reached out to Webb City and Saint Thomas Aquinas but both did not want to play down. All had same week open. Maryville coach ended up hooking up Webb & STA with each other.

I hate these boards, but I will at least fix this story. In spring of 2009, the day districts were announced, many of the AD's got together and scrambled to fill schedules. We had week 7 open after the conference schedules had been set. We already agreed to play Lawson week 1. If schools had open dates, they would write them down on a white board for everyone to see. My AD called and said some schools had other weeks but not 7. The first school to call us was Saint Thomas. We said we would think about it. At some point Odessa and Harrisonville were open. We asked to play and both declined. The Webb city AD called me, not us calling them. I told him if it was not week 7 we would do it. It was at that time I told them Aquinas had the same week. They agreed to play each other. Savannah and us agreed to move our game to week 7, which would have opened up more opportunities for us. I cannot remember if that was when we could schedule Odessa or Harrisonville or when we still had seven open instead of 3. Either way, both declined to play us. After a couple of days and a ton of phone calls, we agreed to play McCluer out of St. Louis for a home and home. I know for a fact both of the coaching staffs at Lamar and maryville respect one another and talk and having each visited the other program for ideas. Both do things the right way. Good luck to both.

Coach Holt
 
There you go.

Now, how about we go back to the championship week at hand? I believe it's Monett vs Maryville and Lamar vs Trinity. These are the matchups we should currently be discussing.
 
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There you go.

Now, how about we go back to the championship week at hand? I believe it's Monett vs Maryville and Lamar vs Trinity. These are the matchups we should currently be discussing.
I think both games will be well worth the price of admission! I think they will both be entertaining smash mouth football games.
 
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I didn't say anything other than basically what you just said. Said I don't know about Lamar being top 5 regardless of class, as someone else stated, and referred to recent success against a top ranked class 4 team. Never said Lamar would beat the "dozens of large metro teams". The notion that bigger is alway better usually holds true but there are exceptions. My argument is that maryville vs Lamar is worth the drive. Keep hearing "open your horizons" and "get out more" but don't play anybody that you have to drive very far to get to, when there is teams here in the city that could beat you. Just a dumb argument in my opinion. And I like debate but Rufus is just a smartass. Look through his comments elsewhere. As far as making Lamar look bad, I represent myself not any one team.
What does me being a smartass have to do with the discussion? At no point in this thread have I been less than serious. You're flailing, trying to cover up your weak and poorly presented arguments. You're a punching bag.
 
I don't know, I'm not Lamar people. Name the 2 dozen metro teams that would hand them their ass that you speak of, or are you just making stuff up? I don't know what you think is so wrong with people wanting it to happen. And you're wrong an awful lot, so.....
Lee's Summit West, Blue Springs, Rockhurst, Bishop Miege, Staley, Kearney, Blue Valley, Lee's Summit, Ray-Pec, Blue Springs South, Shawnee Mission East, Aquinas, Shawnee Mission West, Mill Valley.... should I go on?
 
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Lee's Summit West, Blue Springs, Rockhurst, Bishop Miege, Staley, Kearney, Blue Valley, Lee's Summit, Ray-Pec, Blue Springs South, Shawnee Mission East, Aquinas, Shawnee Mission West, Mill Valley.... should I go on?
If your definition of "hand them their A$$" is..let's say more than 14pts, then...
neutral field
[2016] Lee's Summit West (Lee's Summit, MO) 30, [2016] Lamar (MO) 28 (NO)

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[2016] Blue Springs (MO) 34, [2016] Lamar (MO) 28 (NO Again)

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[2016] Lamar (MO) 35, [2016] Lee's Summit (MO) 34 (Another NO)

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[2016] Rockhurst (Kansas City, MO) 26, [2016] Lamar (MO) 17 (You see a theme here?)


I'll stop there, because I think you get the point. Yes, I know Cal Preps is not perfect, but is usually very close. I know it is hard for you big city boy's to comprehend but every once in a while a small school can be good enough to compete with good large schools, Lamar is one of those programs. However, we will never know the answer to this question as no large school would want to "RISK" playing Lamar.
 
If your definition of "hand them their A$$" is..let's say more than 14pts, then...
neutral field
[2016] Lee's Summit West (Lee's Summit, MO) 30, [2016] Lamar (MO) 28 (NO)
neutral field
[2016] Blue Springs (MO) 34, [2016] Lamar (MO) 28 (NO Again)
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[2016] Lamar (MO) 35, [2016] Lee's Summit (MO) 34 (Another NO)
neutral field
[2016] Rockhurst (Kansas City, MO) 26, [2016] Lamar (MO) 17 (You see a theme here?)

I'll stop there, because I think you get the point. Yes, I know Cal Preps is not perfect, but is usually very close. I know it is hard for you big city boy's to comprehend but every once in a while a small school can be good enough to compete with good large schools, Lamar is one of those programs. However, we will never know the answer to this question as no large school would want to "RISK" playing Lamar.
Using a website for score predictions or for state and national rankings voids any point you were trying to make. Just a waste of time using that in any argument.
 
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This thread has gotten really dumb. Most of the claims about Lamar are not being made by people from Lamar. I can assure you the general consensus around Lamar is they are a great small school program, not a state power at all levels. Lamar and Maryville would both be outmatched in classes 4-6 on regular basis. They both could probably give Harrisonville and Kearney a game this year but would need some breaks to pull off the upset. The original post of Lamar and Maryville would be a fun matchup this year but that is not going to happen. I agree traveling across the state in the future to settle which team is better this year is dumb when there are plenty of quality programs much closer for both to play.
 
websites, common opponents, computers, us "experts"... No one knows for sure unless its played on the field.

That was why I originally posted this thread.

If you use Common Opponents. Maryville would be able to play with CBC. That just is not possible. Avg 300lb athletic linemen from CBC for an entire game would crush Maryville Avg 230lb line with some playing both ways.

CBC beat MCA 38-0
Maryville beat MCA 42-6
 
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Using a website for score predictions or for state and national rankings voids any point you were trying to make. Just a waste of time using that in any argument.
Computer rankings are a mathematical tools based on information collected from the past, in this case the season. Obviously they are not 100% accurate, however they are a good guide. To totally discount this information when trying to make a judgement shows you must know more than EVERYONE else. If it was useless why would the BCS in college football use it as one of their benchmarks to determine the top 4 teams who will play in the championship series? You are arguing with the wrong dude...move on.
 
websites, common opponents, computers, us "experts"... No one knows for sure unless its played on the field.

That was why I originally posted this thread.

If you use Common Opponents. Maryville would be able to play with CBC. That just is not possible. Avg 300lb athletic linemen from CBC for an entire game would crush Maryville Avg 230lb line with some playing both ways.

CBC beat MCA 38-0
Maryville beat MCA 42-6
Actually it was 48-0 CBC over MCA
 
Lee's Summit West, Blue Springs, Rockhurst, Bishop Miege, Staley, Kearney, Blue Valley, Lee's Summit, Ray-Pec, Blue Springs South, Shawnee Mission East, Aquinas, Shawnee Mission West, Mill Valley.... should I go on?
That's not dozens, and I still don't see what that has to do with a reason that Lamar shouldn't play maryville. I never said Lamar would beat all of those teams. I referred to facts of what Lamar has done. And pointing out that it is debatable. I was frustrated that those statements were even being made as an argument of why Lamar shouldn't play maryville. The statement about Lamar shouldn't play Maryville because there's dozens of teams in the metro area that would hand them their ass? Sounded like someone just wanted an argument, so I got caught up and obliged,
 
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This thread has gotten really dumb. Most of the claims about Lamar are not being made by people from Lamar. I can assure you the general consensus around Lamar is they are a great small school program, not a state power at all levels. Lamar and Maryville would both be outmatched in classes 4-6 on regular basis. They both could probably give Harrisonville and Kearney a game this year but would need some breaks to pull off the upset. The original post of Lamar and Maryville would be a fun matchup this year but that is not going to happen. I agree traveling across the state in the future to settle which team is better this year is dumb when there are plenty of quality programs much closer for both to play.
Do you think scheduling Valle this year and next was a bad move? Most I've heard from didn't complain about the drive. All I have heard were positive's.
 
I still never heard why Lamar/Valle wasn't played at a neutral site. In early talks I had heard both games were to be played on saturday @ Lebanon, then all of a sudden it was one game at each home site.
 
I still never heard why Lamar/Valle wasn't played at a neutral site. In early talks I had heard both games were to be played on saturday @ Lebanon, then all of a sudden it was one game at each home site.[/QUOTE?

A friend of mine is an AD at a small school and they mentioned money becomes an issue as you have to rent a space, pay them for workers, the concession stand, etc. There was a lot more to think about then what I thought.
 
What does me being a smartass have to do with the discussion? At no point in this thread have I been less than serious. You're flailing, trying to cover up your weak and poorly presented arguments. You're a punching bag.
^^^what does any of that have to do with this discussion? what does dozens of teams in the metro area that can Hand maryville their ass have to do with this discussion? You've said very few things about why maryville and Lamar should or should not play each other. If you want to talk about the things you've been arguing, you should start another thread. If you're arguing about the statement, "Lamar is top 5 any class" that was made by someone else, and disagreed with by me as well. I noticed on most other threads people don't respond to you, I'm assuming that this is why. Have a good day and good luck to your team in the state championship this year.
 
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If someone is handing out ass, send some my way if you know what I mean.
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Do you think scheduling Valle this year and next was a bad move? Most I've heard from didn't complain about the drive. All I have heard were positive's.
I wouldn't call it a bad move but it was unnecessary. It didn't prove anything other than Lamar is a much better team this year and most likely next but had the game been played last year it probably would have been a much better game. I understand trying to find quality games. I would rather see AD find a way to get good teams in the area to matchup rather than spend thousands of dollars traveling across state. Luckily both Lamar and Valle have good booster clubs that can help with the tab.
 
I wouldn't call it a bad move but it was unnecessary. It didn't prove anything other than Lamar is a much better team this year and most likely next but had the game been played last year it probably would have been a much better game. I understand trying to find quality games. I would rather see AD find a way to get good teams in the area to matchup rather than spend thousands of dollars traveling across state. Luckily both Lamar and Valle have good booster clubs that can help with the tab.

Did you miss the memo where Lamar petitioned every stinking school in three states (exaggerated for effect) for a game to fill the slot that CJ and Butler vacated only to be ignored by all BUT Valle? It beats having 2 open dates on your schedule. There was a slight chance that Frontenac KS was going to fill it but it didn't work out.
 
Did you miss the memo where Lamar petitioned every stinking school in three states (exaggerated for effect) for a game to fill the slot that CJ and Butler vacated only to be ignored by all BUT Valle? It beats having 2 open dates on your schedule. There was a slight chance that Frontenac KS was going to fill it but it didn't work out.
Filling 2 open spots is apparently "unnecessary" if you have to travel more than an hour. Heck I'll go out on a limb and say all organized sports in general are unnecessary. But people seem to enjoy them.
 
Filling 2 open spots is apparently "unnecessary" if you have to travel more than an hour. Heck I'll go out on a limb and say all organized sports in general are unnecessary. But people seem to enjoy them.

Like I orginally posted a neutral site would be hour and half drive for both schools would not be that bad. KC Ruskin is 110 miles from both schools. Maryville use to play Hickman Mills there. its a nice facility.
 
Filling 2 open spots is apparently "unnecessary" if you have to travel more than an hour. Heck I'll go out on a limb and say all organized sports in general are unnecessary. But people seem to enjoy them.
Don't get me wrong. I traveled to Valle and would travel to Maryville if Lamar played a game there. I like the idea of trying to schedule big games however Lamar has spend probably $5-10K on 2 trips to the STL area this season. I just think we are starting to forget that this is High School Football on a HS budget. I am sure the school could have come up with a better way to spend that money. If all schools stopped traveling like this there would be more opportunity regionally. Look at Nevada, I am not sure they played a team within 2 hours of them all season.
 
Don't get me wrong. I traveled to Valle and would travel to Maryville if Lamar played a game there. I like the idea of trying to schedule big games however Lamar has spend probably $5-10K on 2 trips to the STL area this season. I just think we are starting to forget that this is High School Football on a HS budget. I am sure the school could have come up with a better way to spend that money. If all schools stopped traveling like this there would be more opportunity regionally. Look at Nevada, I am not sure they played a team within 2 hours of them all season.
All good points. I think the title 5 times defending state champs makes it a little more difficult to find willing opponents than it would be for teams without that distinction.
 
All good points. I think the title 5 times defending state champs makes it a little more difficult to find willing opponents than it would be for teams without that distinction.
I have often wondered why Lamar does not play Webb City since they are not that far from each other. That would be a big game every year!
 
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I have often wondered why Lamar does not play Webb City since they are not that far from each other. That would be a big game every year!
That would have been a good match-up this year but most prior year it wouldn't have been much of a game, Webb by 3+ TD. There is a hand full of other class 4-5 schools that would be a good game but apparently none of them want to play Lamar or the scheduling wouldn't work.
 
That would have been a good match-up this year but most prior year it wouldn't have been much of a game, Webb by 3+ TD. There is a hand full of other class 4-5 schools that would be a good game but apparently none of them want to play Lamar or the scheduling wouldn't work.
Well that's not what I have been hearing on here, I'm hearing Lamar can beat anyone anytime. No one can beat anyone until they do! All the my daddy's can beat your daddy's means nothing.
 
Well that's not what I have been hearing on here, I'm hearing Lamar can beat anyone anytime. No one can beat anyone until they do! All the my daddy's can beat your daddy's means nothing.
I don't think anybody said that. Where'd that come from?
 
If your definition of "hand them their A$$" is..let's say more than 14pts, then...
neutral field
[2016] Lee's Summit West (Lee's Summit, MO) 30, [2016] Lamar (MO) 28 (NO)
neutral field
[2016] Blue Springs (MO) 34, [2016] Lamar (MO) 28 (NO Again)
neutral field
[2016] Lamar (MO) 35, [2016] Lee's Summit (MO) 34 (Another NO)
neutral field
[2016] Rockhurst (Kansas City, MO) 26, [2016] Lamar (MO) 17 (You see a theme here?)

I'll stop there, because I think you get the point. Yes, I know Cal Preps is not perfect, but is usually very close. I know it is hard for you big city boy's to comprehend but every once in a while a small school can be good enough to compete with good large schools, Lamar is one of those programs. However, we will never know the answer to this question as no large school would want to "RISK" playing Lamar.
I was actually listing teams I thought could beat Maryville, not Lamar. I'm thankful for that chip on your shoulder.
 
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Still think Lamar couldn't beat Maryville?
Still waiting for a place I said Maryville would beat Lamar. The only posts I made in here were in regards to someone saying they could go to through KC and get whooped by two dozen teams. Someone didn't believe that so i started listing teams in KC that could beat MARYVILLE, not Lamar. Now, don't you have to get over to Carthage and see the Christmas decorations at the Precious Moments chapel?
 
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