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We all would like to see the matchup.

During next cycle Maryville will have a non-conference game open up when St. Pius moves to MEC with Smithville leaving. I believe Lamar also short one non-conference game currently (not sure about next cycle).

Play the game on a neutral field on Saturdays. KC Ruskin is 110 mile away from both teams. (Or Harrisonville)

Just a thought.
 
bhunt95 said:
We all would like to see the matchup.

During next cycle Maryville will have a non-conference game open up when St. Pius moves to MEC with Smithville leaving. I believe Lamar also short one non-conference game currently (not sure about next cycle).

Play the game on a neutral field on Saturdays. KC Ruskin is 110 mile away from both teams. (Or Harrisonville)

Just a thought.
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Ruskin ? ? itll be at shawnee mission south
 
I believe maryville's phone rang this year about filling lamars open schedule. Was told they had no interest in playing Lamar. I would love for it to happen. If maryville has a spot open next year i hope they return the call.... we'll see
 
Maryville already schedules one Class 2 team out of conference (Lawson). They have little to gain by scheduling another.
 
Rufus R. Jones said:
Maryville already schedules one Class 2 team out of conference (Lawson). They have little to gain by scheduling another.
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They gain some actual competition that they won't blow out by 70 points. They gain finding out what they really need to work on during the regular season. It would make both teams better. Lawson isn't on the same level as Lamar. And MaryVille fans would have the opportunity to actually have a reason to say Marysville would crush Lamar every year.
 
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Tanman65 said:
They gain some actual competition that they won't blow out by 70 points. They gain finding out what they really need to work on during the regular season. It would make both teams better. Lawson isn't on the same level as Lamar. And MaryVille fans would have the opportunity to actually have a reason to say Marysville would crush Lamar every year.
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They don't need to play a team from 6 hours away to get a good game. There are much closer teams that can provide them "some actual competition." Why drive straight through the KC area to get your little bragging rights game? There are about 2 dozen teams in the Metro that would hand their ass to them.
 
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Rufus R. Jones said:
They don't need to play a team from 6 hours away to get a good game. There are much closer teams that can provide them "some actual competition." Why drive straight through the KC area to get your little bragging rights game? There are about 2 dozen teams in the Metro that would hand their ass to them.
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I just find it odd that so many Maryville fans feel the need to say they could beat Lamar but then have no interest in ever playing them. You're right, Lamar fans want to see it happen just to shut the maryville folks up. We'll see Who Maryville schedules. do they want to say they're the best, or do they want a tuneup game?
 
Tanman65 said:
I just find it odd that so many Maryville fans feel the need to say they could beat Lamar but then have no interest in ever playing them. You're right, Lamar fans want to see it happen just to shut the maryville folks up. We'll see Who Maryville schedules. do they want to say they're the best, or do they want a tuneup game?
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I think outside of 3-4 people on this message board it's really not an issue. Sounds like maybe it is with the Lamar people.
 
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Rufus R. Jones said:
I think outside of 3-4 people on this message board it's really not an issue. Sounds like maybe it is with the Lamar people.
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I don't know, I'm not Lamar people. Name the 2 dozen metro teams that would hand them their ass that you speak of, or are you just making stuff up? I don't know what you think is so wrong with people wanting it to happen. And you're wrong an awful lot, so.....
 
Tanman65 said:
I don't know, I'm not Lamar people. Name the 2 dozen metro teams that would hand them their ass that you speak of, or are you just making stuff up? I don't know what you think is so wrong with people wanting it to happen. And you're wrong an awful lot, so.....
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Schools shouldn't make decisions based on what a handful of people on a message board think. In an average year, most of the teams in the Suburban Conference, a couple of MEC teams, a couple of MRVC teams, a couple of WCC teams would all beat the best Class 2 team, Lamar or not. Not Class 2 teams, but larger. My point wasn't trying to take anything away from what Lamar is doing or has done. It's just that there is no point in them playing Maryville, except to satisfy some internet talking points.
 
I know Lamar had been looking for quality games to fill their schedule and it hasn't been easy. I just hope maryville does the same. If they schedule someone that they beat by 70 it will be disappointing. I follow other teams besides Lamar, but I like the idea of seeing the best in class 2 playing the best in class 3. Who wouldn't want those bragging rights? I think more than 3 or 4 people feel that way.
 
Theres alot of us lamar people that wanna see it happen mostly because the one time we played them we were just getting on a roll as a program and let the game get away from us. We literally threw that game away thanks to a pick 6 and a backwards pass
 
I think it would be a fun match-up but it will never answer the who is best question. Not sure about Maryville but most likely Lamar will see a little drop off in the next cycle. Probably a little similar to the Valle game. That would have been a much better contest last cycle and will probably not happen next cycle when it will be a little more evenly matched. Unless it is an every year thing it is hard to get these long distance match-ups when two programs are at a high point.
 
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While I would love to see a Maryville vs Lamar match-up, I have to agree with Rufus. There are dozens of Class 4-6 teams in KCMO and KCK that would have no problem handling Maryville, so why should they drive an additional 2 hours to play Lamar?

Take a look at MaxPreps' strength of schedule. Maryville's SOS is closer to Kirkwood's than to Lamar's. Maryville has no need to travel.

"Lamar is top 5 regardless of class size."
NNNNNOOOOOOO! This is 100% false for Lamar and Maryville.
 
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Mike*Honcho said:
While I would love to see a Maryville vs Lamar match-up, I have to agree with Rufus. There are dozens of Class 4-6 teams in KCMO and KCK that would have no problem handling Maryville, so why should they drive an additional 2 hours to play Lamar?

Take a look at MaxPreps' strength of schedule. Maryville's SOS is closer to Kirkwood's than to Lamar's. Maryville has no need to travel.

"Lamar is top 5 regardless of class size."
NNNNNOOOOOOO! This is 100% false for Lamar and Maryville.
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Cause we all know max preps SOS means everything. They should drive that far to find competition that is similar size school and comparable competition. Heck Lamar traveled to Valle catholic in hopes of a competitive game, that's over 4 hours. Why would they play a class 6 school if you think they couldn't compete. And I don't know about top 5 in any class, but Lamar did easily beat the # 2 team in class 4 last year, CJ, Turbo clock ran for about 12 minutes. I could be wrong but the #1 team in class 4 last year was a favorite against any Missouri team regardless of class. CJ fell to them by only 7. There is some media who think Lamar could hang with any class in the state. Since max preps is legit I assume ozarks sports zone is too, that's where the Lamar is top 5 any class came from. I'm sure your dozens of teams with no titles are decent though.
 
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Cause we all know max preps SOS means everything. They should drive that far to find competition that is similar size school and comparable competition. Heck Lamar traveled to Valle catholic in hopes of a competitive game, that's over 4 hours. Why would they play a class 6 school if you think they couldn't compete. And I don't know about top 5 in any class, but Lamar did easily beat the # 2 team in class 4 last year, CJ, Turbo clock ran for about 12 minutes. I could be wrong but the #1 team in class 4 last year was a favorite against any Missouri team regardless of class. CJ fell to them by only 7. There is some media who think Lamar could hang with any class in the state. Since max preps is legit I assume ozarks sports zone is too, that's where the Lamar is top 5 any class came from. I'm sure your dozens of teams with no titles are decent though.
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These conversations always come up when someone has a dominant stretch. And they are almost always ridiculous: "So-and-so new to the scene Class 2 or 3 school is one of the best in the state, regardless of class." No they're not. And it's not debatable. Get out a little more. Expand your horizons.
 
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Lamar playing most of the "Metro" schools would end up like Webb-Rockhurst and not many metro fans in the stands for the second half
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For sure, there are many that they, and any of the top small school programs in the state, would beat. And many that they would get annihilated. I'm not talking about Interscholastic League- I'm talking about Suburban Conference.
 
It really isn't as easy as all us blowhards on here think to find good competition to play.

Few years ago Maryville had an open in schedule had trouble finding anybody to play them. Ended up playing Mcleur out of st louis. Maryville reached out to Webb City and Saint Thomas Aquinas but both did not want to play down. All had same week open. Maryville coach ended up hooking up Webb & STA with each other.
 
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Rufus R. Jones said:
These conversations always come up when someone has a dominant stretch. And they are almost always ridiculous: "So-and-so new to the scene Class 2 or 3 school is one of the best in the state, regardless of class." No they're not. And it's not debatable. Get out a little more. Expand your horizons.
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People don't understand how much depth has to do with winning.

Team my have best 11 players on the field but if they are playing both ways their proformance declines over course of game.
 
Mitsurugi san said:
Which of them would want to schedule a Class 2 school? How about a Lamar/Harrisonville yearly game? Or why not Marryville/Harrisonville?
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Maryville and Harrisonville use to play each other mid/late 2000's also met couple times in state semifinals
 
Rufus R. Jones said:
These conversations always come up when someone has a dominant stretch. And they are almost always ridiculous: "So-and-so new to the scene Class 2 or 3 school is one of the best in the state, regardless of class." No they're not. And it's not debatable. Get out a little more. Expand your horizons.
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All it is is debatable. Maybe you should get out more and see that some of these teams are competitive in any class. Just no opportunity to prove it. That's why people want the Lamar maryville game, that's why Lamar welcomed playing CJ the last few years. I would think 5 championships in a row and beating or competing with top ranked schools with enrollments 3 or 4 times their size would get a little more respect. And Lamar has the depth to play with anyone. Very few play both ways bhunt
 
Tell someone something isn't debatable then say expand your horizons? Those are pretty contradictory statements. 90% of your comments on any thread have a smartass tone so i'all say goodbye, impossible to debate with a closed minded moron.
 
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If Lamar is so great then why do you guys want to play Maryville?

Reach out to Kirkwood, CBC, Lee's Summit West, Chaminade, Blue Springs, Ft. Zumwalt North, Hazelwood Central, Park Hill, Kearney, Staley ...

Isn't Webb City just down the road from you guys? Play them.
 
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Mike*Honcho said:
If Lamar is so great then why do you guys want to play Maryville?

Reach out to Kirkwood, CBC, Lee's Summit West, Chaminade, Blue Springs, Ft. Zumwalt North, Hazelwood Central, Park Hill, Kearney, Staley ...

Isn't Webb City just down the road from you guys? Play them.
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Not from Lamar, but isn't this whole thread about finally settling the Lamar/Maryville debate on the field? I think most of us (though clearly not all of us) already know where Lamar stands among the most recent years top Class 4 teams by virtue of the fact that didn't get over the Carl Junction hump until just last year.

I think yearly games against the likes of Valle (among the best of the class below) and/or Maryville (among the best of the Class above) make good sense.

Plus any Class 4 heavy hitters willing to schedule a Class2 school (Harrisonville maybe) or a local Class 5/6 like Nixa, Ozark, Kickapoo, etc...
 
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I'm a huge Lamar fan and beating CJ once is not the same as beating some of the top ranked teams in the state in Class 4, 5, and 6. In the past 5 years or so, Lamar could have won Class 3 a couple of times and been able to play with most schools in Class 4. Being able to beat them regularly, such as Kearney, WC, Helias, etc..., would not happen. Compete yes, and occasionally win, but to beat regularly, no. As someone said earlier, some of you need to get out and watch some of these larger classes. It is a totally different game, size and speedwise.

If you go up to the Larger classes, Lamar could beat some of the average teams but, when it comes to beating the best teams in those classes, Lamar could not match up. You are making Lamar look bad. Hopefully, Lamar will be able to win their sixth straight Class 2 championship on Friday. It is by no means a done deal. Calm down, be excited that Lamar has been able to have a great stretch of winning in Class 2 because eventually it is going to end. Thank Coach Bailey and his staff for being able to do what many Lamar fans never dreamed as being possible. Enjoy this run we are on. It will not last forever.

Good luck to Monett and Lamar in our games this weekend. Let's both bring home championships in our respective classes. The Big 8 rules in small class football.
 
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This thread is specifically about Lamar Maryville, just one class apart. Most people wouldn't think it so odd for the best class 5 team to schedule home and home games with the best class 6 team.

Most of us think it's pretty cool that Lamar set up the two game series with Valle.
 
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Mike*Honcho said:
If Lamar is so great then why do you guys want to play Maryville?

Reach out to Kirkwood, CBC, Lee's Summit West, Chaminade, Blue Springs, Ft. Zumwalt North, Hazelwood Central, Park Hill, Kearney, Staley ...

Isn't Webb City just down the road from you guys? Play them.
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Do they have open spots on the schedule? Maryville will from what I hear
 
Mister_Wizard said:
This thread is specifically about Lamar Maryville, just one class apart. Most people wouldn't think it so odd for the best class 5 team to schedule home and home games with the best class 6 team.

Most of us think it's pretty cool that Lamar set up the two game series with Valle.
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Exactly!! He gets it!! :)
 
PapaT23 said:
I'm a huge Lamar fan and beating CJ once is not the same as beating some of the top ranked teams in the state in Class 4, 5, and 6. In the past 5 years or so, Lamar could have won Class 3 a couple of times and been able to play with most schools in Class 4. Being able to beat them regularly, such as Kearney, WC, Helias, etc..., would not happen. Compete yes, and occasionally win, but to beat regularly, no. As someone said earlier, some of you need to get out and watch some of these larger classes. It is a totally different game, size and speedwise.

If you go up to the Larger classes, Lamar could beat some of the average teams but, when it comes to beating the best teams in those classes, Lamar could not match up. You are making Lamar look bad. Hopefully, Lamar will be able to win their sixth straight Class 2 championship on Friday. It is by no means a done deal. Calm down, be excited that Lamar has been able to have a great stretch of winning in Class 2 because eventually it is going to end. Thank Coach Bailey and his staff for being able to do what many Lamar fans never dreamed as being possible. Enjoy this run we are on. It will not last forever.

Good luck to Monett and Lamar in our games this weekend. Let's both bring home championships in our respective classes. The Big 8 rules in small class football.
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I didn't say anything other than basically what you just said. Said I don't know about Lamar being top 5 regardless of class, as someone else stated, and referred to recent success against a top ranked class 4 team. Never said Lamar would beat the "dozens of large metro teams". The notion that bigger is alway better usually holds true but there are exceptions. My argument is that maryville vs Lamar is worth the drive. Keep hearing "open your horizons" and "get out more" but don't play anybody that you have to drive very far to get to, when there is teams here in the city that could beat you. Just a dumb argument in my opinion. And I like debate but Rufus is just a smartass. Look through his comments elsewhere. As far as making Lamar look bad, I represent myself not any one team.
 
Have some of those Suburban conference schools call Lamar. They'd probably take the game to avoid an open date. Doubt any will though because, unlike Maryville, they have nothing to gain. Kudos to Rock for playing Webb. Boo to Maryville for avoiding Lamar.
 
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Other than that never happened. Webb did turn down a request from Maryville, so boo Webb City.
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Yeah, WC should have played Maryville instead of Rockhurst. That was the game everyone would have preferred to see. :rolleyes:

As for Lamar, honestly they are class 2 by enrollment only. They would compete very well with Class 4 teams. Most years they might not be able to beat the top 3-5 teams but with Class 4 not being as strong this year I'm not sure they couldn't this year. Absolutely depth would be a factor if they had to play a full schedule against larger schools but Bailey is a phenomenal coach and I've watched Lamar dominate some pretty good high school football teams and I won't be the one surprised when they have little trouble with Trinity this week en route to title 6 in a row.
 
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