8's beating 1's
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I think they played about the same schedule last year??
Lees Summit, LSW, and Blue Springs didn't slow them down much. But then I guess those aren't KC schools are they
I would love to see Kickapoo play a KC schedule. They might not end up with # 1 seed but would easily get #3 or #4.
Keep in mind their only loss was against the nations #1 offense. A game I feel Kickapoo lost more than Glendale won.
Keep in mind their only loss was against the nations #1 offense. A game I feel Kickapoo lost more than Glendale won.
Kickapoo with a number 1 seed validates the huge flaws in the district system. Very little if any penalty for loading your schedule with weaker, or lower level competition. A team should start with a punitive negative point value for each lower class win. I agree somewhat with the argument that the better team will rise to the top in district play. However, you can't deny that it is much more difficult to play a Suburban "Big" schedule where you never have an opportunity to take a week off - or in many cases, rest your starters in the second half. I've seen many years where superior teams are just flat beat up from their regular schedule come play-off time.
The only way to fix this would be to get rid of the outdated conferences and schedule round robin within the districts. BTW - I would have been all for Rock starting with a negative value for their games (ummm, ass-kickings by Webb) the last two years.
Maybe Kickapoo goes 8-1 with a C6 schedule, but I'm not betting on it if they had to see BS, BSS, JC, LSW, Rock, Ray-Pec, etc. as part of their regular season. Big difference between BS and Waynesville.
The "nations #1 offense?" Yeah, I bet. If there were a valid way of measuring that, and there is not, I'm guessing Glendale wouldn't be in the mix. Is that who you are referring to?
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No comparison................2015 C6 in KC outside Blue Springs South was down. 2016 way up. This will be my first ever 8 vs. 1 in my contest..............North has a shot.
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That is a 7 vs. 2 and not in my contest (try to avoid games I think everyone will pick the same) but thanks for that info: along with C6 D4 that is a very deeeeep one.
MORock I completely agree. I have said all year that I wish we had a chance to play some KC schools during the year. I think it hurts us most of the time. Now I also said that last year as well and you saw what we did.
Devon, although I do not agree with it, USA Today had Glendale as the #1 offense in the nation.
Devon, although I do not agree with it, USA Today had Glendale as the #1 offense in the nation.
I did not realize that. Well, then I guess they are the #1 offense, until USA Today says otherwise.
Rock was originally scheduled to play a team in Florida that week - not sure why it got canceled. If you are insinuating that Rockhurst purposely schedules a week off then you are wrong. I think their history shows that they will play all comers. Unfortunately, the way the point system works, teams in Missouri are penalized for scheduling a game that they might lose. Lots of folks dodging just won't play. If you want to talk SOS then Rock would be a good place to start - BS, BSS, Jeff City, CBC, Shawnee Mission East (KS #1), Bentonville (down this year), Ray-Pec, Rock-Bridge. The only weak team on that schedule is Rock Bridge and generally they are pretty salty.
Try again.
Like I said - generally the better teams step up in district play. However, the physicality of a C6 schedule makes a difference. Only solution is district round-robin scheduling - although will never happen.
Will be interesting to watch this year.
As a parent and a fan I love when Districts come around. It is great to see our boys here in Springfield get a chance to play with the "Big Boys" in class 6. I will say one thing. No one in this district will come to Springfield and get an easy win against the Chiefs at home. Should be fun to watch.
WHO CARES! You have to win no matter what seed you are!
I thought the same thing about Smith-Cotton when they were in the district with Carthage, Belton, Neosho, etc. They were always at the top of the seeding by going undefeated against lower class schools, where the others were playing in a much tougher conference and actually against C5 teams. I believe I have heard others make the same complaint about Bolivar playing a schedule that is mostly smaller schools. Like S-C, win most of the regular season, but rarely advance far in district.
To play devils advocate, the problem is there is no perfect system. You'll have schools like Joplin and Poo that are very large schools in a region void of other large schools. And it would be unfortunate for the rest of the COC to be penalized by playing "down" to CJ and WC, as if those should be the easiest games in the league.
Yep, me again. Below is the Class 6 District 4 Rankings according to MaxPreps which does take into account strength of schedule. Home field and opponent travel is going to give Kickapoo a large (and undeserved) advantage.
Class 6 Rankings
3) Rockhurst
4) Lee's Summit West
5) Lee's Summit
7) Park Hill
8) Raymore Peculiar
11) Kickapoo
17) Lee's Summit North
21) Joplin
http://www.maxpreps.com/rankings/fo...sion/mo/vYqyldY6c0yKbtl79zBLiw/division-6.htm
Class 6 Rankings
3) Rockhurst
4) Lee's Summit West
5) Lee's Summit
7) Park Hill
8) Raymore Peculiar
11) Kickapoo
17) Lee's Summit North
21) Joplin
http://www.maxpreps.com/rankings/fo...sion/mo/vYqyldY6c0yKbtl79zBLiw/division-6.htm
No system is gonna be perfect but i bet the kc coaches would make sure nobody had to go to sw mo for a district game
For all you Kickapoo haters, just remember that you said the same thing about the Chiefs last year....
And then they ran the table in districts and put up a damn good fight in the semis.
And then they ran the table in districts and put up a damn good fight in the semis.
It didn't make a difference last year. Just keep on counting the Chiefs out. They like it better that way.
Their best RB is out with an injury but anybody who walks into their house is going to be in a dog fight.
Don't forget that their head coach won 2 state titles down at Webb City after Jerry Kill moved on. He knows his stuff. I don't personally like the guy, but you can't deny how quality of a football mind he is.
I agree that Poo should beat LSN. I think is going to find out that it wont be as easy this year as last to take district. But as I always say. That is why they play the games.
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No hate here just observation: Kickapoo barely got by a very down Lee's Summit last year. Had North not blown quality C5 Liberty out would not have given them even a 5 percent chance this Friday.
I don't fault your observation or your thinking and I do believe that LSN is better than most 2-7 teams but the difference in experience of the coaching staffs and that damnable road trip is a lot of advantage to Kickapoo. Of course, as you have pointed out on other threads, the weather can also be a factor. I also agree with Dark One, this is a lot tougher district this year.
This Kickapoo team is not as good as last year's, even before their top RB went out with a broken foot. The main reason is an offensive line that lost almost everyone due to graduation (or transfer). There is a big burden on the QB now, and he's very good, but I don't see them getting very far this year. They should be able to get past LSN, but I doubt they'll win the next game.
We all have to go there for the Class 1-5 title games now, whether we like it or not.
Big picture. Liberty has fallen on hard times. Unless LSN has been playing without key players in a litany of bad defensive performances they surely will lose this game. Liberty, in my opinion, is not a solid team at this juncture but gives LSN hope. Of course, my disclaimer in this prediction is based on teenage kids, that might decide it's wise to stay up late all week to play Xbox, then fake an injury until Thursday night, and try to play football on Friday.
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Of course a #1 seed should beat a #8. That's not a revelation. The fact that people are debating Kickapoo vs. LSN shows there may be a flaw in how seeds are currently determined.
In class 6, with only 32 teams and that's the largest schools in the state, it seems logical that an 8 could compete with a 1. Technically, that 1 might be the fourth best team in the state, and the 8 seed could be #29 overall. Not a reach to think in any sport that a 29 could knock off a 4. But it's not a perfectly balanced field (thank goodness, or some teams could be traveling 300 miles for a district game). So we might be seeing #24 vs #7 in that 8/1 matchup, and that's two teams even closer together in overall skill/ability/talent.
I discount the chances of 7 or 8 to have enough horses to win three in a row. But, seeds 1 through 6, yes, anyone of those could get on a roll. I liked Poo's chances better with that running back but home field is a great advantage. And how would you like to be a 3 seed and draw Ray-Pec or a 4 seed and draw Park Hill?
Or its just a loaded district. The same thing use to happen when it was a round robin format. Some districts are just stronger than others.
I remember about 10 years ago in Class 1, South Harrison, Gallatin and Princeton were all in the same district. And it just so happened that they were all ranked top 6 in the state I believe. There was a 9-1 and an 8-2 team that stayed home and didn't make sectionals out of that district so yes, it definitely does happen sometimes.
