32 smallest teams
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Here the bottom 32, i took Paris and princeton out, did anymore teams go 8-Man lately?
Milan 167
Russellville 167
Crest Ridge/ Chilhowee 165
Louisiana 165
Brentwood 160
Windsor 160
Marceline 159
Penney 156
Ash Grove 155
North Platte 155
Tipton 155
Cabool 154
Marionville 154
Pierce City 154
Putnam County 152
West Platte 145
Miller 144
Fayette 143
Harrisburg 139
Plattsburg 139
Westran 133
Van-Far 131
Salisbury 128
Lincoln 127
Scotland County 122
Hayti 119
Crystal City 114
Polo 114
St Vincent 112
Slater 106
Midway 94
Wellington-Napoleon 90
Milan 167
Russellville 167
Crest Ridge/ Chilhowee 165
Louisiana 165
Brentwood 160
Windsor 160
Marceline 159
Penney 156
Ash Grove 155
North Platte 155
Tipton 155
Cabool 154
Marionville 154
Pierce City 154
Putnam County 152
West Platte 145
Miller 144
Fayette 143
Harrisburg 139
Plattsburg 139
Westran 133
Van-Far 131
Salisbury 128
Lincoln 127
Scotland County 122
Hayti 119
Crystal City 114
Polo 114
St Vincent 112
Slater 106
Midway 94
Wellington-Napoleon 90
We don't rest until every small country school gets a state title!
State titles for everybody!
It's not fair until we all get one!
Class 6 has 32 teams so....
We don't rest until every BIG CITY school gets a state title!
State titles for everybody!
It's not fair until we all get one!
We don't rest until every BIG CITY school gets a state title!
State titles for everybody!
It's not fair until we all get one!
Not so fun fact - well over half of MSHSAA membership have yet to even appear in a state title game in football.
Extremely top heavy when you look at it. Top ten teams in championships are eating up 25%ish in total state title appearances.
I'm not sure he fully thought that comment through.
Yeah, I wasn't for that when they did it either. Good enough for you, or do you want a long form answer?
I long ago tired of people wanting to change the system NOT because there is anything wrong with it, or because it is unfair, but to benefit themselves or their teams. Self-interest has driven every change for the last 20 years.
Here is what the districts would have looked like last year is Class 1 was 32 and the rest of the classes were evened out. I think it would be a very good tweak to the system.
Class 1
1 – Ash Grove, Cabool, Crystal City, Hayti, Marionville, Miller, Pierce City, St. Vincent
2 – Crest Ridge, Fayette, Harrisburg, Lincoln, Midway, Slater, Tipton, Windsor
3 – Brentwood, Louisiana, Marceline, Paris, Salisbury, Scotland County, Van-Far, Westran
4 – North Platte, Penney, Plattsburg, Polo, Princeton, Putnam County, Wellington-Napoleon, West Platte
Class 2
1 – Caruthersville, Chafee, Charleston, East Prairie, Kelly, Malden, Portageville, Scott City
2 – Duchesne, Grandview, Hermann, Jefferson, Lift for Life, St. Pius X
3 – Brookfield, Clark County, Highland, Mark Twain, Milan, Monroe City, South Shelby
4 – Cole Camp, MMA, Montgomery County, North Callaway, Russellville, South Callaway, Tolton Catholic
5 – Clever, Fair Grove, Houston, Liberty, Springfield Catholic, Strafford, Thayer
6 – Butler, Diamond, El Dorado Springs, Sarcoxie, Skyline, Stockton, Warsaw
7 – Adrian, Carrollton, Higginsville, Lawson, Lexington, Lone Jack, Sherwood
8 – East Buchanan, Gallatin, Lathrop, Maysville, Mid-Buchanan, South Harrison, Trenton
Class 3
1 – Dexter, Doniphan, Fredericktown, Kennett, NMCC, Ste. Genevieve, Valle Catholic
2 – Bayless, Borgia, Herculaneum, John Burroughs, Lutheran South, Principia, Priory
3 – Bowling Green, Centralia, Hallsville, Macon, Orchard Farm, Palmyra, Wright City
4 – Blair Oaks, Boonville, California, Eldon, Owensville, Southern Boone, Versailles
5 – Ava, Buffalo, Cuba, Mountain Grove, Salem, St. James, Willow Springs
6 – Aurora, East Newton, Forsyth, Hollister, Lamar, Mt. Vernon, Seneca
7 – Hogan Prep, Holden, Knob Noster, Oak Grove, Southeast, St. Michael, Summit Christian
8 – Cameron, Central, Chillicothe, Maryville, Pembroke Hill, Richmond, St. Pius X
Class 4
1 – DeSoto, North County, Park Hills Central, Perryville, Potosi, Sikeston, Windsor
2 – Affton, Bishop DuBourg, Clayton, Gateway, Pacific, Roosevelt, St. Mary’s
3 – Cardinal Ritter, Confluence Prep, Jennings, Lutheran North, Normandy, Soldan, University City
4 – North Point, St. Charles, St. Charles West, St. Dominic, Westminster, Winfield
5 – Fulton, Kirksville, Mexico, Moberly, Osage, St. Clair, Sullivan
6 – Bolivar, Carl Junction, Cassville, Logan-Rogersville, Marshfield, Monett, Reeds Spring
7 – Center, Clinton, Harrisonville, Marshall, Nevada, Odessa, Pleasant Hill
8 – Benton, Excelsior Springs, Lafayette, Northeast, Savannah, Smithville, University Academy
Class 5
1 – Cape Central, Farmington, Festus, Hillsboro, Poplar Bluff, Rockwood Summit, Union
2 – Ladue Horton Watkins, Mehlville, Parkway Central, Parkway North, Parkway West, Vashon, Webster Groves
3 – Ft. Zumwalt East, Ft. Zumwalt North, Ft. Zumwalt West, Hazelwood East, McCluer, McCluer North, Riverview Gardens
4 – Capital City, Hannibal, Helias, Holt, Jefferson City, Warrenton, Washington
5 – Camdenton, Hillcrest, Lebanon, Rolla, Smith-Cotton, West Plains
6 – Branson, Glendale, McDonald County, Neosho, Parkview, Webb City, Willard
7 – Belton, Grain Valley, Grandview, Raytown, Raytown South, Ruskin, Warrensburg
8 – East, Kearney, Lincoln Prep, Platte County, Van Horn, William Chrisman, Winnetonka
Class 6
1 – Eureka, Fox, Jackson, Lindbergh, Northwest, Oakville, Seckman
2 – CBC, Kirkwood, Lafayette, Marquette, Parkway South, SLUH, Vianney
3 – Chaminade, DeSmet, Hazelwood Central, Hazelwood West, MICDS, Pattonville,
4 – Francis Howell, Francis Howell Central, Francis Howell North, Ft Zumwalt West, Liberty, Timberland, Troy
5 – Carthage, Joplin, Kickapoo, Nixa, Ozark, Republic, Springfield Central
6 – Lee’s Summit, Lee’s Summit North, Lee’s Summit West, North Kansas City, Ray-Pec, Rockhurst, Truman
7 – Battle, Blue Springs, Blue Springs South, Fort Osage, Hickman, Rock Bridge, Waynesville
8 – Liberty, Liberty North, Oak Park, Park Hill, Park Hill South, Staley, St. Joe Central
Class 1
1 – Ash Grove, Cabool, Crystal City, Hayti, Marionville, Miller, Pierce City, St. Vincent
2 – Crest Ridge, Fayette, Harrisburg, Lincoln, Midway, Slater, Tipton, Windsor
3 – Brentwood, Louisiana, Marceline, Paris, Salisbury, Scotland County, Van-Far, Westran
4 – North Platte, Penney, Plattsburg, Polo, Princeton, Putnam County, Wellington-Napoleon, West Platte
Class 2
1 – Caruthersville, Chafee, Charleston, East Prairie, Kelly, Malden, Portageville, Scott City
2 – Duchesne, Grandview, Hermann, Jefferson, Lift for Life, St. Pius X
3 – Brookfield, Clark County, Highland, Mark Twain, Milan, Monroe City, South Shelby
4 – Cole Camp, MMA, Montgomery County, North Callaway, Russellville, South Callaway, Tolton Catholic
5 – Clever, Fair Grove, Houston, Liberty, Springfield Catholic, Strafford, Thayer
6 – Butler, Diamond, El Dorado Springs, Sarcoxie, Skyline, Stockton, Warsaw
7 – Adrian, Carrollton, Higginsville, Lawson, Lexington, Lone Jack, Sherwood
8 – East Buchanan, Gallatin, Lathrop, Maysville, Mid-Buchanan, South Harrison, Trenton
Class 3
1 – Dexter, Doniphan, Fredericktown, Kennett, NMCC, Ste. Genevieve, Valle Catholic
2 – Bayless, Borgia, Herculaneum, John Burroughs, Lutheran South, Principia, Priory
3 – Bowling Green, Centralia, Hallsville, Macon, Orchard Farm, Palmyra, Wright City
4 – Blair Oaks, Boonville, California, Eldon, Owensville, Southern Boone, Versailles
5 – Ava, Buffalo, Cuba, Mountain Grove, Salem, St. James, Willow Springs
6 – Aurora, East Newton, Forsyth, Hollister, Lamar, Mt. Vernon, Seneca
7 – Hogan Prep, Holden, Knob Noster, Oak Grove, Southeast, St. Michael, Summit Christian
8 – Cameron, Central, Chillicothe, Maryville, Pembroke Hill, Richmond, St. Pius X
Class 4
1 – DeSoto, North County, Park Hills Central, Perryville, Potosi, Sikeston, Windsor
2 – Affton, Bishop DuBourg, Clayton, Gateway, Pacific, Roosevelt, St. Mary’s
3 – Cardinal Ritter, Confluence Prep, Jennings, Lutheran North, Normandy, Soldan, University City
4 – North Point, St. Charles, St. Charles West, St. Dominic, Westminster, Winfield
5 – Fulton, Kirksville, Mexico, Moberly, Osage, St. Clair, Sullivan
6 – Bolivar, Carl Junction, Cassville, Logan-Rogersville, Marshfield, Monett, Reeds Spring
7 – Center, Clinton, Harrisonville, Marshall, Nevada, Odessa, Pleasant Hill
8 – Benton, Excelsior Springs, Lafayette, Northeast, Savannah, Smithville, University Academy
Class 5
1 – Cape Central, Farmington, Festus, Hillsboro, Poplar Bluff, Rockwood Summit, Union
2 – Ladue Horton Watkins, Mehlville, Parkway Central, Parkway North, Parkway West, Vashon, Webster Groves
3 – Ft. Zumwalt East, Ft. Zumwalt North, Ft. Zumwalt West, Hazelwood East, McCluer, McCluer North, Riverview Gardens
4 – Capital City, Hannibal, Helias, Holt, Jefferson City, Warrenton, Washington
5 – Camdenton, Hillcrest, Lebanon, Rolla, Smith-Cotton, West Plains
6 – Branson, Glendale, McDonald County, Neosho, Parkview, Webb City, Willard
7 – Belton, Grain Valley, Grandview, Raytown, Raytown South, Ruskin, Warrensburg
8 – East, Kearney, Lincoln Prep, Platte County, Van Horn, William Chrisman, Winnetonka
Class 6
1 – Eureka, Fox, Jackson, Lindbergh, Northwest, Oakville, Seckman
2 – CBC, Kirkwood, Lafayette, Marquette, Parkway South, SLUH, Vianney
3 – Chaminade, DeSmet, Hazelwood Central, Hazelwood West, MICDS, Pattonville,
4 – Francis Howell, Francis Howell Central, Francis Howell North, Ft Zumwalt West, Liberty, Timberland, Troy
5 – Carthage, Joplin, Kickapoo, Nixa, Ozark, Republic, Springfield Central
6 – Lee’s Summit, Lee’s Summit North, Lee’s Summit West, North Kansas City, Ray-Pec, Rockhurst, Truman
7 – Battle, Blue Springs, Blue Springs South, Fort Osage, Hickman, Rock Bridge, Waynesville
8 – Liberty, Liberty North, Oak Park, Park Hill, Park Hill South, Staley, St. Joe Central
Has anyone recommended the move to 6 equal classes?
Just a thought from your local grocery checker.
I am still a believer in splitting class 1 to 48 and class 6 to 48 and then splitting the other 4 evenly. Have all 6 classes end on the same weekend
Does anyone know the # of 11 man football schools compared now, compared to the # when the decision was made to go to 6 classes?
When I see schools like Butler, Lexington, and Higginsville who are your classic Class 2 schools getting moved down into Class 1. I think there is a problem.
Not to mention having the largest schools in the state have less playoff games is beyond silly.
Not to mention having the largest schools in the state have less playoff games is beyond silly.
I also have never understood that the schools with 2000 kids and sometimes 150 players play the least amount of games. Meanwhile teams with 25-40 players are maxed out.
There’s talk/discussion of moving to 7 classes. Which is absurd. I think the fellas at MSHSAA would actually prefer downsizing to 5 classes but I don’t see that happening.
I agree with the few posters that have said 48 in class 1, 48 in class 6, even through the rest (53-54 in those classes).
Related: does anyone ACTUALLY have knowledge of teams that said they’d come back to 11 man of class 1 is “capped”? Or is that just hopeful speculation?
There’s talk/discussion of moving to 7 classes. Which is absurd. I think the fellas at MSHSAA would actually prefer downsizing to 5 classes but I don’t see that happening.
I agree with the few posters that have said 48 in class 1, 48 in class 6, even through the rest (53-54 in those classes).
Related: does anyone ACTUALLY have knowledge of teams that said they’d come back to 11 man of class 1 is “capped”? Or is that just hopeful speculation?
Four of the teams I listed have won State titles in class 1. So yeah, they'd come back if they had the numbers.
The current system favors the big schools and the money they pour into the mshaa coffers.
A result of this, is the little schools that are falling off fast. In the 32-team class 1 bracket above were another half dozen former State champs. Those 11-man teams are endangered as well. Do I know Liberal will suddenly field an 11-man team if there is a 32-team class 1? No, but they would have a legit chance to succeed if they did. Sometimes, that's all it takes..
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Even if Class 1 is transitioned to 32, I'm not sure folk's will see too many of these return to 8-man as long as the neighbors remain 8-man. The issue is not only if a school can play 11-man, but can they make a schedule. Lockwood could and should be playing 11 as they are in the only small 11-man league in southwest Missouri. Jasper and Liberal are in the 8-man conference. As an independent, Greenfield does better being a non-conference opponent to help the 8-man WEMO finish out schedules than the 11-man SWC. I explained this to a guy grumbling when Jasper went 8-man a few years ago. I asked him who are they going to schedule to play. They're not only going 8-man because they feel they'll compete better, but also because the rest of the league went 8-man at the time. Schools will play whatever is being played in the closest available neighborhood. It'll take more than a few making the switch.
Know all about making schedules with teams transitioning to 8-man..
The schools I mentioned earlier are all still active. If they thought a bunch of kids coming up had a chance to compete in class 1, it would increase participation and get more kids playing. That's a worthy goal.
Small school conferences should go away, imo.
32 teams in any classification is way too few. Talk about a watered down champion!!
NFL only has 32 teams.
I don't think Class 6 and 8 man teams feel like their titles are watered down.
I don't think Class 6 and 8 man teams feel like their titles are watered down.
Agreed, especially for football. If the state is going to make 8-team districts anyways, just use those 8 plus a few regional or other rivals to finish the schedule. I think Kansas is doing this already. If a small school is on the fence about 11 or 8-man on the upcoming season, just be committed to one or the other by the district formation deadline and get assigned accordingly. Just make it a hard rule; they have to be committed to one or the other at that point. This might make the 32 Class 1 team idea better as well. If there are around 32 8-man and 32 11-man, that is still 64. If schools bounce around a little between the two, that keeps a fairly consistent overall number. Also, conferences can still be in play for other sports or academic activities.
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They are watered down.
Class 5 champ would have won class 6 most likely and the class 5 champ had to earn it. Class 6 not so much.
MSHSAA has killed class 1 in Missouri by bowing down to the big schools. Split the classes evenly. This isn't complicated at all.
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