2025 Kaminsky Classic

[Craig Hull]

Starting this as its own thread because I did not mean to hijack the SPS Boys Season thread.

Thursday's Results
Joplin 66, William Chrisman 56
Poplar Bluff 50, Webb City 48
Hillcrest 48, Francis Howell 46
Wichita Life Prep Academy 78, Carl Junction 64

Friday's Games (times have changed due to the weather; Joplin JV now taking the place of Webb City)
3 p.m. -- William Chrisman (1-7) vs. Joplin JV
4:30 p.m. -- Francis Howell (6-6) vs. Carl Junction (9-4)
6 p.m. -- Joplin (5-4) vs. Poplar Bluff (7-4)
7:30 p.m. -- Hillcrest (7-3) vs. Wichita Life Prep Academy (9-5)

 

[AC100]

The main difference now is William Chrisman will get to play for 5th instead of 7th.

 

[da bears 25]

The main difference now is William Chrisman will get to play for 5th instead of 7th.

Correct, am I wrong in thinking if it were a seeded tournament the 7 played the 8 yesterday?

 

[AC100]

Correct, am I wrong in thinking if it were a seeded tournament the 7 played the 8 yesterday?

If they seeded it yes I think Joplin and Chrisman would be 7 and 8. Somehow Joplin got the worst out of town team in the 1st round.lol

 

[Craig Hull]

Correct, am I wrong in thinking if it were a seeded tournament the 7 played the 8 yesterday?

It's not "seeded" per se ... JHS athletic administration have made it clear over the years they try to make sure the four "local" teams and four "non-local" teams are matched up in the first round and then after that it's anybody's game.

It is nice when the bracket works out that the four local teams never play each other, but it's difficult. Since the tournament resumed in 2000 (it actually began in 1977) it was a four-team event, it grew to eight teams in 2001 and has had eight teams every year except 2014 when St. Louis Vashon did not make it due to the weather and 2021 when it was a six team event post-COVID.

 

[AC100]

The fact that Hillcrest was moved to 8pm tells me they are staying in Joplin tonight.

 

[Craig Hull]

I can say when it comes to history on this tournament, Carl Junction has had a rough go of it. Since the tournament resumed in 2000, CJ participated in it 2008, 2009 and 2010.

Bulldogs won their only opening round game ever in 2008 84-77 over William Chrisman, lost to Webster Groves in the semifinals 69-64 and defeated Webb City 48-43 for third place.

In 2009, lost to Webster Groves 84-53, defeated Neosho 64-63 in OT and lost to Webb City 69-45 in the 5th place game.

In 2010, lost to Francis Howell 44-43, Blue Springs 60-46 and defeated William Chrisman 81-68.

Carl Junction got out of the Kaminsky after 2010, returned to the tournament in 2018 and have been in it every year since. In 2018 and 2019 went 0-3, 2020 went 0-2 after the 7th place game with Joplin JV was canceled due to an ice storm, 0-3 in 2021, 2022 and 2023. Last year they lost the first two games before defeating Neosho 58-37 in the seventh place game to end a 19-game losing streak in the Kaminsky Classic.

After last night's loss, Carl Junction is 5-25 all-time in the Kaminsky Classic and 1-10 in the opening round.

 

[da bears 25]

It's not "seeded" per se ... JHS athletic administration have made it clear over the years they try to make sure the four "local" teams and four "non-local" teams are matched up in the first round and then after that it's anybody's game.

It is nice when the bracket works out that the four local teams never play each other, but it's difficult. Since the tournament resumed in 2000 (it actually began in 1977) it was a four-team event, it grew to eight teams in 2001 and has had eight teams every year except 2014 when St. Louis Vashon did not make it due to the weather and 2021 when it was a six team event post-COVID.

Yeah I know they do a local team vs an out of area team. That’s what I said if it were a seeded tournament. I think 3 of the top 4 teams ended on the bottom side of the bracket. I get the local vs out of area it ensures you play different opponents but sometimes you get 2 good teams or 2 bad teams playing early.