2019 MSHSAA Annual Ballot Results

[Set_The_Edge]

2019 MSHSAA Annual Ballot Results

RESULTS OF THE 2019 ANNUAL MSHSAA ELECTION

ELEVEN OF TWELVE AMENDMENTS PASS MAY, 2019

Following are the results of the balloting on the amendments to the MSHSAA Constitution and By-Laws in the 2019 Annual MSHSAA Election.Amendments to By-Laws require a simple majority of those voting for passage, while amendments to the Constitution require a 2/3 majority for passage.Proposals which passed will become effective July 1, 2019, with the exception of Proposal Number 3 which will become effective IMMEDIATELY and Proposals Number 9 and 10 which will become effective JULY 1, 2020.


PROPOSAL 1 - (Application for MSHSAA Membership) - (PASSED) - 383 FOR, 71 AGAINST

Amends Article III, Section 5 of the MSHSAA Constitution by altering the application deadline from May 1 to April 1 for schools to be considered for MSHSAA membership for the following school year.


PROPOSAL 2 - (High School Cooperative Sponsorships) - (PASSED) - 339 FOR, 88 AGAINST

Amends By-Law 1.4.1, High School Cooperative Sponsorships, to establish a new procedure for setting sport-specific and activity-specific enrollment maximums for cooperative sponsorship eligibility, and to allow three schools to co-op in team sports which require a standard line-up of eight or more players.


PROPOSAL 3 - (Duration of Validity for Physical Exams) - (PASSED) - 313 FOR, 141 AGAINST

Amends By-Laws 3.8.1 and 4.5.4, Physical, to allow a physical exam certified by a medical professional (as specified in the by-law) to be valid for a duration of two years (730 days) from date of issue.


PROPOSAL 4 - (Individual Wrestler Limits) - (PASSED) - 148 FOR, 54 AGAINST

Amends By-Law 3.26.1 to reduce the maximum number of wrestling matches that an individual wrestler may participate in during the season, prior to the district tournament, from 50 to 45 matches, excluding forfeits.


PROPOSAL 5 - (Softball – High School Contest Limitations) - (PASSED) - 268 FOR, 107 AGAINST

Amends By-Laws 3.29.6.a.6 and 3.29.6.c.3 by increasing the game limitation for fall and spring softball, respectively, from 14 games to 16 games.


PROPOSAL 6 - (Baseball – High School Contest Limitations) - (PASSED) - 268 FOR, 113 AGAINST

Amends By-Laws 3.29.6.a.1 and 3.29.6.c.1 by increasing the game limitation for fall and spring baseball, respectively, from 14 games to 16 games.


PROPOSAL 7 - (Junior High Speech Contest Limitations) - (FAILED) - 7 FOR, 13 AGAINST

Would have amended By-Law 4.3.3, Season Limits for Speech/Debate/Theatre – Junior High School, by increasing the maximum number of allowable events (meets, festivals and tournaments) that a junior high school may participate in during a school year from five to seven.


PROPOSAL 8 - (Dance Team - Season) - (PASSED) - 152 FOR, 18 AGAINST

Adds a new By-Law 4.5.9, Dance Team – Season, to define the school’s dance season.


PROPOSAL 9 - (Sport and Activity Classification) - (PASSED) - 376 FOR, 51 AGAINST

Amends By-Law 5.1, District and State Tournament Procedures, to restructure the procedures for sport and activity classification for districts and the state series.


PROPOSAL 10 - (Competitive Equity between Public and Non-Public Schools) - (PASSED) - 294 FOR, 133 AGAINST

Amends By-Law 5.1.5, Co-Ed Enrollments, by removing the 1.35 enrollment multiplier that is currently in place for non-public and charter schools, and replaces it with New By-Law 5.1.7, Championship Factor, which re-classifies non-public and charter schools based on a point system connected to advancement in districts and the state series over a six-year period.


PROPOSAL 11 - (Unsportsmanlike Conduct) - (PASSED) - 366 FOR, 88 AGAINST

Amends By-Law 5.5.1, Unsportsmanlike Conduct, by removing the stated fine of $25.00 from the by-law language.


PROPOSAL 12 - (Filing Charges) - (PASSED) - 389 FOR, 65 AGAINST

Amends By-Law 5.5.3, Filing Charges, by removing the $15.00 fee that was required to file charges.

 

[DirtyDan17]

PROPOSAL 10 - (Competitive Equity between Public and Non-Public Schools) - (PASSED) - 294 FOR, 133 AGAINST

Amends By-Law 5.1.5, Co-Ed Enrollments, by removing the 1.35 enrollment multiplier that is currently in place for non-public and charter schools, and replaces it with New By-Law 5.1.7, Championship Factor, which re-classifies non-public and charter schools based on a point system connected to advancement in districts and the state series over a six-year period.

Meaning what exactly?

 

[knockemofftheball]

PROPOSAL 10 - (Competitive Equity between Public and Non-Public Schools) - (PASSED) - 294 FOR, 133 AGAINST

Amends By-Law 5.1.5, Co-Ed Enrollments, by removing the 1.35 enrollment multiplier that is currently in place for non-public and charter schools, and replaces it with New By-Law 5.1.7, Championship Factor, which re-classifies non-public and charter schools based on a point system connected to advancement in districts and the state series over a six-year period.

Meaning what exactly?

Private schools and charter schools will be rewarded points in a sport dependent on success. When this goes into effect they will look back over the last 6 years. Not sure on the points values but so much for a State Championship, State Game appearance, all the way to district champ. If a school reaches a set number of points in that 6 year period they can be moved up a class, possible even 2. This is sports specific, so a great 6 year run in football, will not change basketball classifications.

 

[DirtyDan17]

Private schools and charter schools will be rewarded points in a sport dependent on success. When this goes into effect they will look back over the last 6 years. Not sure on the points values but so much for a State Championship, State Game appearance, all the way to district champ. If a school reaches a set number of points in that 6 year period they can be moved up a class, possible even 2. This is sports specific, so a great 6 year run in football, will not change basketball classifications.

But no multiplier? If I'm reading that correctly it would mean starting in 2020, CBC, based on enrollment, will be a Class 4 school for at least 6 years?

 

[Set_The_Edge]

But no multiplier? If I'm reading that correctly it would mean starting in 2020, CBC, based on enrollment, will be a Class 4 school for at least 6 years?

Starting in 2020 CBC will be placed by how they did in 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016, 2015, and 2014. In 2021 they will be placed in a class based on how they did in 2020, 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016, and 2015. It all is based on the previous 6 years. For each sport. Its all going to be based on a point system. I have not heard of how the points are going to be awarded yet.

 

[HomeyR]

I had not heard anything about this proposal previously. What was the argument against continuing with the multiplier ?

 

[BPcompete]

But no multiplier? If I'm reading that correctly it would mean starting in 2020, CBC, based on enrollment, will be a Class 4 school for at least 6 years?

It seems like its going to be updated every single year, not locked in for 6 straight years. This sounds like its going to be very confusing. Interested in seeing how the points system will work. Also the Value of the Points based on class.
MICDS just advanced to the state finals Class 4, Lutheran North lost in the semis for Class 2. Will the points be worth more depending on the class? Who knows.

 

[DirtyDan17]

Starting in 2020 CBC will be placed by how they did in 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016, 2015, and 2014. In 2021 they will be placed in a class based on how they did in 2020, 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016, and 2015. It all is based on the previous 6 years. For each sport. Its all going to be based on a point system. I have not heard of how the points are going to be awarded yet.

Gotcha. Ok, sounds good.

 

[kaching]

I’m more interested in proposal 9. How is that going to affect football in 2020? And I assume no changes in 2019?

 

[Set_The_Edge]

I’m more interested in proposal 9. How is that going to affect football in 2020? And I assume no changes in 2019?

I am also interested in this. It will stay the same for 2019, but in 2020 I have heard they are adding more to class 6 and making 1 the catch all. Haven't heard anything specific.

 

[bwaddell1739]

taking the multiplier out would make CBC class 3 so with success factor they will be what class 4 or 5?

 

[iwasamidgetinhighschool]

taking the multiplier out would make CBC class 3 so with success factor they will be what class 4 or 5?

If I am not mistaken, and I may be, I believe they would still double CBC (and all single-gender schools) enrollment, which would bring CBC to roughly 1,600? So I don't think the championship factor really impacts them as much as they will likely be a Class 6 school.

The more interesting breakdowns will be at perhaps in the middle in the 3-4 range where the disparity in enrollment is bigger.

 

[knockemofftheball]

I think the classification change will leave 64 in class 1, and equally split class 2 - 6. The example given at area meetings was 53 or 52 each class 2 - 6 with 64 in class 1. So it would take the top 20 or so from class 4 and 5 and move them up a class. Would make class 5 and 6 very interesting.

 

[iwasamidgetinhighschool]

Lamar vs. Trinity in the 2020 Class 6 title.

I have heard they would like to spread this to all schools with a higher total points for public and with private and charter schools having to get fewer points. Don’t know if that’s still being talked about but would make things interesting for sure.

 

[knockemofftheball]

I have heard they would like to spread this to all schools with a higher total points for public and with private and charter schools having to get fewer points. Don’t know if that’s still being talked about but would make things interesting for sure.

only proposal discussed was for private and charter schools.

 

[CaptainBackslap]

Class 6 and class 5 are already brutal, especially in kc. Adding more teams to them so top heavy classes like 1-4 have even less competition seems foolish.

 

[Curl/Flat Combo]

Just like every other year........privates get what they want. They now can control their enrollment, student demographic, recruit, discipline, standards, AND what class they compete in. With balancing of classes and smaller class sample in three grades, standards for variances will allow for them to most likely choose their classification at a 90% rate. Just estimating. Championship factor points will only make a difference if they win multiple state titles. My prediction......get ready to see way more privates in each class for sectionals and semifinals. Should have kept multiplier and gone to championship factor, and balanced out classes. Not bitching just stating an opinion. It was a vote and that is how it turned out. We will live with it. MSHSAA is making some progress. But do NOT forget that the Championship Factor values have not been set yet. MSHSAA roots and support lie heavily with privates. Deciphered for those of you not paying attention, MONEY. Championship factor talk is merely window dressing! Look we are addressing an issue, but really improving our place and investment. Actually pretty clever of them! Keep playing the game. It will all be fine.

 

[deacon jones]

Just like every other year........privates get what they want. They now can control their enrollment, student demographic, recruit, discipline, standards, AND what class they compete in. With balancing of classes and smaller class sample in three grades, standards for variances will allow for them to most likely choose their classification at a 90% rate. Just estimating. Championship factor points will only make a difference if they win multiple state titles. My prediction......get ready to see way more privates in each class for sectionals and semifinals. Should have kept multiplier and gone to championship factor, and balanced out classes. Not bitching just stating an opinion. It was a vote and that is how it turned out. We will live with it. MSHSAA is making some progress. But do NOT forget that the Championship Factor values have not been set yet. MSHSAA roots and support lie heavily with privates. Deciphered for those of you not paying attention, MONEY. Championship factor talk is merely window dressing! Look we are addressing an issue, but really improving our place and investment. Actually pretty clever of them! Keep playing the game. It will all be fine.

By looking at the vote totals, it appears that some of the public schools voted, too. Not trying to get in the way of a good conspiracy theory or anything.

 

[Treadmill]

Just like every other year........privates get what they want. They now can control their enrollment, student demographic, recruit, discipline, standards, AND what class they compete in. With balancing of classes and smaller class sample in three grades, standards for variances will allow for them to most likely choose their classification at a 90% rate. Just estimating. Championship factor points will only make a difference if they win multiple state titles. My prediction......get ready to see way more privates in each class for sectionals and semifinals. Should have kept multiplier and gone to championship factor, and balanced out classes. Not bitching just stating an opinion. It was a vote and that is how it turned out. We will live with it. MSHSAA is making some progress. But do NOT forget that the Championship Factor values have not been set yet. MSHSAA roots and support lie heavily with privates. Deciphered for those of you not paying attention, MONEY. Championship factor talk is merely window dressing! Look we are addressing an issue, but really improving our place and investment. Actually pretty clever of them! Keep playing the game. It will all be fine.

You are spot on, as usual, but the problem will never be fixed until we have separate public-private post-seasons/playoffs.

 

[LeChance]

We will never have Private and Public seperated.

If that happened then Private schools could start their own association and then have ZERO consequences for recruiting/transfers. Imagine a free-for-all where they could recruit public kids in the middle of the semester and they transfer to a private school and play immediately-because rules don't apply to this new association.

MSHSAA at least keeps the private schools to some rules/regulations on recruiting/transfers.

 

[sw5890]

Just like every other year........privates get what they want. They now can control their enrollment, student demographic, recruit, discipline, standards, AND what class they compete in. With balancing of classes and smaller class sample in three grades, standards for variances will allow for them to most likely choose their classification at a 90% rate. Just estimating. Championship factor points will only make a difference if they win multiple state titles. My prediction......get ready to see way more privates in each class for sectionals and semifinals. Should have kept multiplier and gone to championship factor, and balanced out classes. Not bitching just stating an opinion. It was a vote and that is how it turned out. We will live with it. MSHSAA is making some progress. But do NOT forget that the Championship Factor values have not been set yet. MSHSAA roots and support lie heavily with privates. Deciphered for those of you not paying attention, MONEY. Championship factor talk is merely window dressing! Look we are addressing an issue, but really improving our place and investment. Actually pretty clever of them! Keep playing the game. It will all be fine.

I'm sure it will have it's problems but in concept I think the championship factor is better than an arbitrary multiplier. That way it's only affecting those that really focus on athletics and not the ones that basically just offer it as an activity. I'll be interested to see how it plays out.

 

[sw5890]

We will never have Private and Public seperated.

If that happened then Private schools could start their own association and then have ZERO consequences for recruiting/transfers. Imagine a free-for-all where they could recruit public kids in the middle of the semester and they transfer to a private school and play immediately-because rules don't apply to this new association.

MSHSAA at least keeps the private schools to some rules/regulations on recruiting/transfers.

Who cares if the private schools make their own association and do whatever they want within that association. Even if they did poach players midseason it's not like CBC is going to take players from Kirkwood midseason and then Kirkwood has to play CBC in districts. They would be playing other public schools in the same boat who might have lost talent to CBC or Vianney or Chaminade or MICDS or the rest of the gang.

 

[hangmanbobbyjaggers]

Anyo

Who cares if the private schools make their own association and do whatever they want within that association. Even if they did poach players midseason it's not like CBC is going to take players from Kirkwood midseason and then Kirkwood has to play CBC in districts. They would be playing other public schools in the same boat who might have lost talent to CBC or Vianney or Chaminade or MICDS or the rest of the gang.

ne hear of CBC dropping out of MSHSAA and playing a national schedule in football?

 

[Veer2Eternity]

We will never have Private and Public seperated.

If that happened then Private schools could start their own association and then have ZERO consequences for recruiting/transfers. Imagine a free-for-all where they could recruit public kids in the middle of the semester and they transfer to a private school and play immediately-because rules don't apply to this new association.

MSHSAA at least keeps the private schools to some rules/regulations on recruiting/transfers.

Bye

 

[CaptainBackslap]

Deciphered for those of you not paying attention, MONEY. Championship factor talk is merely window dressing! Look we are addressing an issue, but really improving our place and investment. Actually pretty clever of them! Keep playing the game. It will all be fine.

What money? Every time a private school competes in a title game they’re outnumbered 10 to 1 by the public school in fan support. There were probably more people serving nachos, working security, taking tickets at Ritter/Trinity than actual fans of those schools

 

[carthagefan2006]

We will never have Private and Public seperated.

If that happened then Private schools could start their own association and then have ZERO consequences for recruiting/transfers. Imagine a free-for-all where they could recruit public kids in the middle of the semester and they transfer to a private school and play immediately-because rules don't apply to this new association.

MSHSAA at least keeps the private schools to some rules/regulations on recruiting/transfers.

They can already do this. Lighthouse Christian in Springfield lays claim to multiple "national championships" in homeschool football.

 

[shoot90draw]

They can already do this. Lighthouse Christian in Springfield lays claim to multiple "national championships" in homeschool football.

Colquitt County also lays claim to multiple "national championscham"

 

[MOFB]

I am also interested in this. It will stay the same for 2019, but in 2020 I have heard they are adding more to class 6 and making 1 the catch all. Haven't heard anything specific.

Straight from mshsaa, 64 in class one. Then classes will start the no more than double the size ratio. Example: cut from 1 to 2 is 200, maximum size could be 400, thus all schools 200-400, however mshsaa officials said they will not make a class bigger than 64. And they will continue on. Will not affect football very much but will likely lead to additional classes in other sports.

 

[freezeoption]

and here we go

 

[deacon jones]

Straight from mshsaa, 64 in class one. Then classes will start the no more than double the size ratio. Example: cut from 1 to 2 is 200, maximum size could be 400, thus all schools 200-400, however mshsaa officials said they will not make a class bigger than 64. And they will continue on. Will not affect football very much but will likely lead to additional classes in other sports.

 

[knockemofftheball]

Straight from mshsaa, 64 in class one. Then classes will start the no more than double the size ratio. Example: cut from 1 to 2 is 200, maximum size could be 400, thus all schools 200-400, however mshsaa officials said they will not make a class bigger than 64. And they will continue on. Will not affect football very much but will likely lead to additional classes in other sports.

Where does it say that from MSHSAA? The information they sent out in the winter to AD's and Principals said that class 1 will have 64, and if then all others would shift to 52 with one class having 53. Obviously this will change with some schools going 8 man, but it will still be close. Although it will not add another class, it makes the two largest classes, substantially larger, which would be a huge change.

 

[Curl/Flat Combo]

Question.......so when the Championship factor takes place and a school is bumped up a class, do they go in at the top or the bottom of each class? It matters because somebody else on the fringe is getting bumped up or down. Wonder if that might have affected anyone's season? Will be a huge factor in the cutoff schools between class four and class 3 in new system. That is if the factor actually changes anything.

To answer the MONEY question from Captain Backslap, which I usually do not engage. Not the money from the game! The money from the people that support the privates. Take a look at the history of MSHSAA, the Board, Trustees, and decision makers. Very deep private roots, and association. MSHSAA WILL NEVER SEPARATE PUBLIC AND PRIVATE. Not very many poor people send their kids to schools that cost 20-30K a year. And I surely don't have a problem with that. It is your money and if you want to do that then ok. They have power and influence if they want and trust me they use it just like people do in the public schools. Everyone has interests and push their agendas. Protect your families, everybody does.

 

[Holt1]

I talked to Stahl yesterday. He said the new format would have little change to football. Coach Donohoe last weekend thought they were going to maintain the current 32 teams in class 6. My guess is that class 2-5 will be divided evenly. 64 in class one.
Coach Holt

 

[NorthWestBleachers]

Who cares if the private schools make their own association and do whatever they want within that association. Even if they did poach players midseason it's not like CBC is going to take players from Kirkwood midseason and then Kirkwood has to play CBC in districts. They would be playing other public schools in the same boat who might have lost talent to CBC or Vianney or Chaminade or MICDS or the rest of the gang.

I agree with this ... Kids who have gone through public school all the way through are more likely to have roots in a certain community. Picking up and going TO a private would require uprooting a family in most of these cases and I don't think it's as likely to happen as some in the metro areas might believe. In other words ... this is far less likely to happen outside of the Lou or KC metro. And, yes, it is VERY likely within the city.

 

[daveok]

I'm excited about the fact that athletic physicals will be valid for 2 years. Collecting those up each season is a pain in the a@#!!!

 

[freezeoption]

I'm surprised they went with that with everything supposed to be about safety

 

[DirtyDan17]

So, how will this work regarding District points?

If a private school is Class 1 (by enrollment), but Class 3 according to the success factor and they schedule a Class 3 public school in the regular season, do they still get the additional 20 district points for playing up or no?

 

[kaching]

If they keep 64 at class 1 and 32 at class 6 - and then equally divide the other classes as was mentioned elsewhere - that means class 2, 3, 4, 5 will have 58 or 59 teams in each class. That would move about sixteen class 4 schools up to class 5. And then six class 2 schools would move up and elevenish class 3 would move to Class 4. That would make some serious changes.

 

[USArmyMike]

So, how will this work regarding District points?

If a private school is Class 1 (by enrollment), but Class 3 according to the success factor and they schedule a Class 3 public school in the regular season, do they still get the additional 20 district points for playing up or no?

No because they would be in class 3

 

[DirtyDan17]

No because they would be in class 3

Hmm ok.